Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
Hi all, Sorry I couldn't get back to this sooner. I read the responses. Since there is a saying in my local culture that says *They* are allowed, and *you* are not, which I interpret as meaning that the individual has to abide by the opinion of the majority (and even maybe also realign his head)... ... I therefore humbly bow my head to the large majority opinion. Actually ... it's not the $60 that's the problem. There is going to be a simply a practical problem of what will probably turn out to be the $60 multiplied up many times. I am not used to living with deficiencies and bugs. In Word, I program my own solutions. In FM, for the time being, I am going to have to pay a lot of money I don't have, or else justify the deficiencies to my clients. OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies in a few minutes. I assume this is a joke. I have written whole applications and tools in Word VBA that took many days. Of my favorite is an auto linker, allowing you to type in any section name or legal (dot) number and, at a click, the tool replaces it with a a cross-reference to the section name or legal number. Another is a package that provides a stable alternative to Word's list numbering, but using SEQ fields. This joke reminds me of the one about Pascal programmers that goes like this: What's the difference between Pascal programmers and assembly language programmers. Assembly language programmers play rugby, whereas Pascal programmers play tiddlywinks... Thanks, - avi On Fri, Jul 2, 2010 at 11:57 PM, Jeremy H. Griffith jer...@omsys.comwrote: On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 08:29:19 +0300, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin An excellent tool, as many have said. Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes... You need more sleep. ;-) $60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply Demand... if it sells... it sells... I'll just add one more kick to this very dead horse, from the perspective of a toolmaker. Frame plugins like Rick makes are not trivial. They require a very experienced C/C++ programmer who knows *all* the nasty little bits of the FDK that are undocumented, as well as the massive part that is documented. Development time for this is not short. And market size is around 1% of that for a Word plugin. OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies in a few minutes. A price of $60 for a Frame plugin is very, very low. A price of $20 for a Word macro, euphemistically called a program, sounds kinda high. ;-) Most are free. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as amake...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/amakeler%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
Hi Avraham, The appropriate adage here is time is money. If you have a lot of tables to manipulate by hand, it can easily take hours of repetitive, tedious work. Many TableCleaner users have recouped their investment with a single job. Of course, value is relative; for some, $60 is expensive; for others, it is a bargain. Also, to clarify: Table cleaner is o-n-e utility but it has 5 categories of functions. Respectfully, Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-659-8267 r...@frameexpert.com *** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes... $60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply Demand... if it sells... it sells... avraham ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
I've used Rick's Table Cleaner and it's worth much more than $60. With a few clicks, you can clean every table in a Frame file that you've imported from Word. The tool paid for itself in the first hour I used it. I was importing 100+ long Word files into Frame for a conversion project for a client. I imported, ran Table Cleaner on each file and all the tables were fixed. It took about 3 minutes. To fix them manually (at that time in that version of Frame) involved destroying each table and rebuilding it manually. Since there were tables about every 3 pages... Yes, the tool is wonderful and worth every penny. If you are selling your utilities for less, perhaps they are not as powerful or as immediately timesaving. Or perhaps you could charge more and didn't think of it. But Table Cleaner is worth every cent. sharon Sharon Burton Content Consultant www.anthrobytes.com 951-369-8590 IM: sharonvbur...@yahoo.com Twitter: sharonburton Blog:anthrobytes.wordpress.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonvburton -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 10:29 PM To: Baruch Brodersen Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes... $60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply Demand... if it sells... it sells... avraham On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Baruch Brodersen bar...@technitext.comwrote: Hi Avi, Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin makes short work of this. Simply select the row or rows you want to repeat, and choose Table Convert Select Rows Body to heading Rows. Short of that, you might try a) applying a table format to the imported table, and b) add a header row (Table Add Rows or Columns Add a Header a Header Row), c) copy and paste the original cells into that, then delete the original row. -- B a r u c h B r o d e r s e n T e c h n i t e x t D o c u m e n t a t i o n 8 7 7 7 2 1 6 9 8 8 On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Using: FM 7.2. Importing from: Word 2003 snip/ -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as sha...@anthrobytes.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/sharon%40anthrobytes.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
Having had to do this task and stare at a screen for hours, I found the price to be totally fair. Basically if it saves me even an hour a month then that's 12 per year. So, for $5/hour I get a tool that does it all in seconds. Plus I own the tool. So the next year it's free. Or I may decide that I only paid $2.50/hour. Regardless, I'd like to think my time is worth more than $5/hour. Factor in sanity saved and you come out way ahead. Yup, I pay $60 for o-n-e utility (boy that takes time to type ;) and then I make it back by using the saved time to either do billable work, other work, or to just enjoy sitting in my backyard for an extra hour. Bernard -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler Sent: July-02-10 01:29 To: Baruch Brodersen Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes... $60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply Demand... if it sells... it sells... avraham On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Baruch Brodersen bar...@technitext.comwrote: Hi Avi, Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin makes short work of this. Simply select the row or rows you want to repeat, and choose Table Convert Select Rows Body to heading Rows. Short of that, you might try a) applying a table format to the imported table, and b) add a header row (Table Add Rows or Columns Add a Header a Header Row), c) copy and paste the original cells into that, then delete the original row. -- B a r u c h B r o d e r s e n T e c h n i t e x t D o c u m e n t a t i o n 8 7 7 7 2 1 6 9 8 8 On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Using: FM 7.2. Importing from: Word 2003 snip/ -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as bern...@publishingsmarter.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernard%40publishingsmarter.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
I second -- third? -- what Sharon and Bernard said. In well under an hour, Table Cleaner lets you do what would take all day to do manually. How much is an hour of your time worth? Values are subjective. If you never import from Word and never need to make global changes to a bunch of tables (including native FM tables), $60 is too much. But if you do those things, even just from time to time, Table Cleaner is a bargain because it saves you so many hours of tedious work. Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-903-6372 -- -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Avraham Makeler Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2010 11:29 PM To: Baruch Brodersen Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes... $60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply Demand... if it sells... it sells... avraham On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Baruch Brodersen bar...@technitext.comwrote: Hi Avi, Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin makes short work of this. Simply select the row or rows you want to repeat, and choose Table Convert Select Rows Body to heading Rows. Short of that, you might try a) applying a table format to the imported table, and b) add a header row (Table Add Rows or Columns Add a Header a Header Row), c) copy and paste the original cells into that, then delete the original row. -- B a r u c h B r o d e r s e n T e c h n i t e x t D o c u m e n t a t i o n 8 7 7 7 2 1 6 9 8 8 On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Using: FM 7.2. Importing from: Word 2003 snip/ -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as richard.co...@polycom.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/richard.combs%40polycom .com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
On Fri, 2 Jul 2010 08:29:19 +0300, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin An excellent tool, as many have said. Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes... You need more sleep. ;-) $60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply Demand... if it sells... it sells... I'll just add one more kick to this very dead horse, from the perspective of a toolmaker. Frame plugins like Rick makes are not trivial. They require a very experienced C/C++ programmer who knows *all* the nasty little bits of the FDK that are undocumented, as well as the massive part that is documented. Development time for this is not short. And market size is around 1% of that for a Word plugin. OTOH, a VBA Word macro can be written by script kiddies in a few minutes. A price of $60 for a Frame plugin is very, very low. A price of $20 for a Word macro, euphemistically called a program, sounds kinda high. ;-) Most are free. -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
Just remembered FM9 exists. Does anybody know if FM9 has a Table Properties setting for this? (So I could install an evaluation edition for now (does it save...?) and save my FM file backwards to FM8 to FM7.) - avi On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Using: FM 7.2. Importing from: Word 2003 I found that when I import documents from Word 2003 that contain long tables, the table heading row is not repeated for further pages of the same table. I expected there to be a simple Properties setting controlling this, but I could not find one. I tried opening the FM documents in FM 8 to see if such a Properties setting exists there, and still no luck. So I ran a search for a solution, and I found the *The Word-to-Frame table macro*, by a certain *Stephen Sealy*, at: http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf You save your FM document as a MIF file, and then load it into Word's VBA environment (yes...Word - we just want to use the Word API's powerful string processing facilities), and run Stephen's VBA program. Ok, great - but it didn't work. So I debugged it a bit, and found that it used a search string that was not quite accurate, so the searches did not work. Ok - so I fixed that, and ran it again. Then I found that it started to update the MIF by adding header rows, but then it hung the PC. OK - so it probably works, but maybe it was written for a different version of FM and/or MIF. So is there a different solution for this? Or does somebody have a debugged version of this VBA program? (For FM 7.2.) TIA - avi Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
Hi Avi, Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin makes short work of this. Simply select the row or rows you want to repeat, and choose Table Convert Select Rows Body to heading Rows. Short of that, you might try a) applying a table format to the imported table, and b) add a header row (Table Add Rows or Columns Add a Header a Header Row), c) copy and paste the original cells into that, then delete the original row. -- B a r u c h B r o d e r s e n T e c h n i t e x t D o c u m e n t a t i o n 8 7 7 7 2 1 6 9 8 8 On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Using: FM 7.2. Importing from: Word 2003 snip/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
Indeed, Rick's TableCleaner plug-in is what you need. You can even batch convert body rows to heading rows and then select the option to only convert rows in tables without existing heading rows: http://www.frameexpert.com/plugins/tablecleaner/index.htm -- Yves Barbion www.scripto.nu On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Baruch Brodersen bar...@technitext.comwrote: Hi Avi, Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin makes short work of this. Simply select the row or rows you want to repeat, and choose Table Convert Select Rows Body to heading Rows. Short of that, you might try a) applying a table format to the imported table, and b) add a header row (Table Add Rows or Columns Add a Header a Header Row), c) copy and paste the original cells into that, then delete the original row. -- B a r u c h B r o d e r s e n T e c h n i t e x t D o c u m e n t a t i o n 8 7 7 7 2 1 6 9 8 8 On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Using: FM 7.2. Importing from: Word 2003 snip/ ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as yves.barb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/yves.barbion%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
You just have to add a header row (TableAdd Rows or ColumnsAdd 1 Row To Heading). Unlike Word, you can't tell Frame that a row is (or is not) a heading row. If you want a heading row, you have to add one. If you don't want a heading row, you have to delete it. Also, when a table is imported from Word, it may have custom ruling which you may not want. Select the entire table, then select TableCustom Ruling and ShadingFrom Table (to all sides of cell)Apply. Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 On 01-Jul-10 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler wrote: Hi all, RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Using: FM 7.2. Importing from: Word 2003 I found that when I import documents from Word 2003 that contain long tables, the table heading row is not repeated for further pages of the same table. I expected there to be a simple Properties setting controlling this, but I could not find one. I tried opening the FM documents in FM 8 to see if such a Properties setting exists there, and still no luck. So I ran a search for a solution, and I found the *The Word-to-Frame table macro*, by a certain *Stephen Sealy*, at: http://www.techknowledgecorp.com/public/word2frame.pdf You save your FM document as a MIF file, and then load it into Word's VBA environment (yes...Word - we just want to use the Word API's powerful string processing facilities), and run Stephen's VBA program. Ok, great - but it didn't work. So I debugged it a bit, and found that it used a search string that was not quite accurate, so the searches did not work. Ok - so I fixed that, and ran it again. Then I found that it started to update the MIF by adding header rows, but then it hung the PC. OK - so it probably works, but maybe it was written for a different version of FM and/or MIF. So is there a different solution for this? Or does somebody have a debugged version of this VBA program? (For FM 7.2.) TIA - avi Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/shmuelw1%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table
Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin Thought I would sleep on this before responding... well here goes... $60 for just o-n-e utility...? $60 is the price of many complete applications -- ok not an MS app or an Adobe app, but an app. I have written a number of complete Word VBA programs and until now it never occured to me to ask more than about $20. Oh well ... Supply Demand... if it sells... it sells... avraham On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Baruch Brodersen bar...@technitext.comwrote: Hi Avi, Rick Quattro's Table Cleaner plugin makes short work of this. Simply select the row or rows you want to repeat, and choose Table Convert Select Rows Body to heading Rows. Short of that, you might try a) applying a table format to the imported table, and b) add a header row (Table Add Rows or Columns Add a Header a Header Row), c) copy and paste the original cells into that, then delete the original row. -- B a r u c h B r o d e r s e n T e c h n i t e x t D o c u m e n t a t i o n 8 7 7 7 2 1 6 9 8 8 On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 2:02 PM, Avraham Makeler amake...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, RE: Imported Word docs - table heading row of long tables is not repeated for further pages of the table Using: FM 7.2. Importing from: Word 2003 snip/ -- Regards, avraham ~ 054-3084886 Mercy on all, coz everyone's fighting some sort of battle ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
