RE: Relative vs. absolute links
Hi Peggy, it's your workflow that creates the confusion in references. You say: ''3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the Graphics subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references between files were all broken.'' If you open the files individually in FM9, it can't resolve cross refs because these are in FM7 files. If you didn't change names (didn't you …?) best approach is to use a book file for all the docs, open the book in FM9, open all files in the book accepting all errors and then save al files in the book, next: update all references. Now at least the cross refs should be resolved. Then you say: ''4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files and copied the Graphics directory to the same folder as the MIF files.'' If you save a file in a different folder, all references will still point to the original locations. So saving the FM9 files in a FM7 folder will not let them point to the graphics folder in the FM7 folder. So you should first save, then move. Your paths are not 'changing to absolute' but are still relative, although pointing to the wrong folder. (note that when you read a MIF file all paths are written as absolute paths). You better use a book mover utility…. Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel Information Energy 2013 – Leading Conference on Innovation in Knowledge and Information Exchange IEn2013 tel. +31652036811 Skype wimhooghwinkel Twitter @idtp @NLDITA @ien2013 i...@idtp.eu www.idtp.eu FrameMaker support: framema...@idtp.eu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Relative vs. absolute links
Hi Rick, Thank you for the information, it sounds like an interesting tool. In my case no folders or files have been renamed so that isn’t the problem. Like Alison, I’d like to know *why* FrameMaker seems to be changing relative references to absolute ones when I’ve followed the rules and kept all files in the same directory with graphics neatly organized in a single subdirectory. My understanding of FrameMaker was that maintaining relative references was one of the program’s claims to fame; now it seems that “feature” is a lot more fragile than I thought. Thanks, Peggy From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:15 PM To: 'Alison Craig'; 'Paul Wilbraham'; Harvey, Peggy Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links Hi Alison and Peggy, Please forgive me if I have sent you this link before. Please let me know if you have any questions or comments. Thank you very much. http://frameautomation.com/2010/02/23/managing-imported-images-solution/ Rick Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing Inc. 585-283-5045 r...@frameexpert.commailto:r...@frameexpert.com From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 2:06 PM To: Paul Wilbraham; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links I would agree, as when I send the files out – all on the same drive – everything works fine with relative paths. But when they come back – still all on the same drive – they are returned with absolute paths. That’s my dilemma. The relative positions of the files don’t change – but the paths become absolute anyway. Note that while my version control database is on a network drive, all files are checked out to a local drive when they are being worked on, so there is no network issue, at least on my end. Alison From: Paul Wilbraham [mailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:30 AM To: Alison Craig; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links Alison We find that graphics on the same drive as the original files are relative. Graphics on a separate drive are absolute. --Paul On 27 February 2013 at 18:09 Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.commailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote: I’d love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators. Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format – so my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning. Alison PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics in a series of subfolders. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com' Subject: Relative vs. absolute links Hi Framers, FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576 Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I convert either way. I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory with a “Graphics” subdirectory for all graphics. Here’s the sequence of events: 1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9. 2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive to do the work. 3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the “Graphics” subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references between files were all broken. 4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files and copied the “Graphics” directory to the same folder as the MIF files. 5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in .fm (or .book) format. 6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous files – the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I’d just created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder. 6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the cross-references I’d fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further inspection I
RE: Relative vs. absolute links
Hi Wim, Thanks for your input. When I opened each file individually I did do it from the book file, saved each file, and updated the book (including references) - for both the FM 9 and FM 7 files the xrefs were still unresolved. I'll have to try saving first, then moving, maybe that will do the trick. Thought I'd save time by doing both in one step but apparently not. Thanks, Peggy From: Wim Hooghwinkel - idtp [mailto:w...@idtp.eu] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2013 2:24 PM To: Harvey, Peggy Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links Hi Peggy, it's your workflow that creates the confusion in references. You say: ''3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the Graphics subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references between files were all broken.'' If you open the files individually in FM9, it can't resolve cross refs because these are in FM7 files. If you didn't change names (didn't you ...?) best approach is to use a book file for all the docs, open the book in FM9, open all files in the book accepting all errors and then save al files in the book, next: update all references. Now at least the cross refs should be resolved. Then you say: ''4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files and copied the Graphics directory to the same folder as the MIF files.'' If you save a file in a different folder, all references will still point to the original locations. So saving the FM9 files in a FM7 folder will not let them point to the graphics folder in the FM7 folder. So you should first save, then move. Your paths are not 'changing to absolute' but are still relative, although pointing to the wrong folder. (note that when you read a MIF file all paths are written as absolute paths). You better use a book mover utility Vriendelijke groet / Kind regards, Wim Hooghwinkel Information Energy 2013 - Leading Conference on Innovation in Knowledge and Information Exchange IEn2013http://informationenergy.org/ tel. +31652036811 Skype wimhooghwinkel Twitter @idtp @NLDITA @ien2013 i...@idtp.eumailto:i...@idtp.eu www.idtp.euhttp://www.idtp.eu FrameMaker support: framema...@idtp.eumailto:framema...@idtp.eu ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Relative vs. absolute links
I'd love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators. Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format - so my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning. Alison PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics in a series of subfolders. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com' Subject: Relative vs. absolute links Hi Framers, FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576 Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I convert either way. I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory with a Graphics subdirectory for all graphics. Here's the sequence of events: 1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9. 2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive to do the work. 3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the Graphics subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references between files were all broken. 4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files and copied the Graphics directory to the same folder as the MIF files. 5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in .fm (or .book) format. 6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous files - the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I'd just created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder. 6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the cross-references I'd fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too - they were linked absolutely to the Graphics folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the relative Graphics folder I'd copied to the FM 7 folder. My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from one version to another? At least that's what seems to be happening, either when I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this? FYI: Our final solution is we're STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to FM 9 as soon as possible. I'm hoping he'll be able to even though Adobe is on FM 11 now. I've seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to update to it at this time so I'm hoping he doesn't have to, either. Thanks, Peggy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Relative vs. absolute links
Alison We find that graphics on the same drive as the original files are relative. Graphics on a separate drive are absolute. --Paul On 27 February 2013 at 18:09 Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote: I’d love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators. Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format – so my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning. Alison PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics in a series of subfolders. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com' Subject: Relative vs. absolute links Hi Framers, FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576 Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I convert either way. I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory with a “Graphics” subdirectory for all graphics. Here’s the sequence of events: 1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9. 2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive to do the work. 3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the “Graphics” subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references between files were all broken. 4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files and copied the “Graphics” directory to the same folder as the MIF files. 5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in .fm (or .book) format. 6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous files – the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I’d just created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder. 6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the cross-references I’d fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too – they were linked absolutely to the “Graphics” folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the relative “Graphics” folder I’d copied to the FM 7 folder. My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from one version to another? At least that’s what seems to be happening, either when I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this? FYI: Our final solution is we’re STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to FM 9 as soon as possible. I’m hoping he’ll be able to even though Adobe is on FM 11 now. I’ve seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to update to it at this time so I’m hoping he doesn’t have to, either. Thanks, Peggy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Relative vs. absolute links
I would agree, as when I send the files out – all on the same drive – everything works fine with relative paths. But when they come back – still all on the same drive – they are returned with absolute paths. That’s my dilemma. The relative positions of the files don’t change – but the paths become absolute anyway. Note that while my version control database is on a network drive, all files are checked out to a local drive when they are being worked on, so there is no network issue, at least on my end. Alison From: Paul Wilbraham [mailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:30 AM To: Alison Craig; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links Alison We find that graphics on the same drive as the original files are relative. Graphics on a separate drive are absolute. --Paul On 27 February 2013 at 18:09 Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.commailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote: I’d love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators. Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format – so my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning. Alison PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics in a series of subfolders. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com' Subject: Relative vs. absolute links Hi Framers, FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576 Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I convert either way. I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory with a “Graphics” subdirectory for all graphics. Here’s the sequence of events: 1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9. 2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive to do the work. 3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the “Graphics” subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references between files were all broken. 4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files and copied the “Graphics” directory to the same folder as the MIF files. 5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in .fm (or .book) format. 6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous files – the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I’d just created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder. 6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the cross-references I’d fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too – they were linked absolutely to the “Graphics” folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the relative “Graphics” folder I’d copied to the FM 7 folder. My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from one version to another? At least that’s what seems to be happening, either when I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this? FYI: Our final solution is we’re STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to FM 9 as soon as possible. I’m hoping he’ll be able to even though Adobe is on FM 11 now. I’ve seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to update to it at this time so I’m hoping he doesn’t have to, either. Thanks, Peggy ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Relative vs. absolute links
Hi Alison, I would ask your translation agency what they exactly do with your FrameMaker and graphics files. If they store the graphics files on another drive, the paths become absolute. That should not happen. The agency should use the very same directory structure as you have. Best regards Winfried From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Alison Craig Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 8:06 PM To: Paul Wilbraham; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links I would agree, as when I send the files out – all on the same drive – everything works fine with relative paths. But when they come back – still all on the same drive – they are returned with absolute paths. That’s my dilemma. The relative positions of the files don’t change – but the paths become absolute anyway. Note that while my version control database is on a network drive, all files are checked out to a local drive when they are being worked on, so there is no network issue, at least on my end. Alison From: Paul Wilbraham [mailto:paul.wilbra...@m-ais.com] Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 10:30 AM To: Alison Craig; 'framers@lists.frameusers.com'; Harvey, Peggy Subject: RE: Relative vs. absolute links Alison We find that graphics on the same drive as the original files are relative. Graphics on a separate drive are absolute. --Paul On 27 February 2013 at 18:09 Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.commailto:alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote: I’d love to hear an explanation as I often have the same relative/absolute issue with graphics and xrefs when my files are returned from the translators. Although in my case, everything is done in FM 9 or with the MIF 9 format – so my issue has nothing to do with Frame versioning. Alison PS: All FM files used to create the Book are in a single folder with graphics in a series of subfolders. From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.commailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Harvey, Peggy Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2013 7:41 AM To: 'framers@lists.frameusers.com' Subject: Relative vs. absolute links Hi Framers, FM 9 p 237 and FM 7 p576 Situation: Converting files between FM 7 and FM 9. All links and file references are relative when I start but appear to become absolute when I convert either way. I need to share files with a coworker at another site. I have FM 9 and he has FM 7. The files, including the book file, are always all in a single directory with a “Graphics” subdirectory for all graphics. Here’s the sequence of events: 1) The files were originally in FM 7. (When I inherited them, at least.) I put them on a network drive in that form, without converting them to FM 9. 2) My coworker edited the files, then put them back on the network drive so I could do some clean up work on them. I moved them to a different network drive to do the work. 3) I opened all of the files in FM 9, therefore converting them to FM 9 format. I did my cleanup, including fixing the graphics path to the “Graphics” subfolder and fixing cross-reference links that were broken. In retrospect I believe cross-references within the same file were okay but cross-references between files were all broken. 4) When I finished my work I saved each individual file and the book file in MIF 7.0 format. I saved the MIF files in a different folder than the FM 9 files and copied the “Graphics” directory to the same folder as the MIF files. 5) I opened each MIF file and the MIF book file in FM 7, then saved each one in .fm (or .book) format. 6) I noticed that the book file seemed to be referring to the the previous files – the FM 9 files with the same names in the different folder. I deleted all of the file references and added all of the FM 7 files that I’d just created. So the FM 7 book file and individual files were all in the same folder. 6) When I went to generate the book I got an error log that all of the cross-references I’d fixed in FM 9 were unresolved again. Upon further inspection I discovered all of the graphics had the wrong path, too – they were linked absolutely to the “Graphics” folder in my FM 9 folder, not to the relative “Graphics” folder I’d copied to the FM 7 folder. My question: Why are the links and references to files (graphics and cross-references) changing from relative to absolute paths when I convert from one version to another? At least that’s what seems to be happening, either when I open FM 7 files directly in FM 9 or when I go through the MIF to convert from FM 9 back to FM 7. Anyone have any insight to this? FYI: Our final solution is we’re STRONGLY recommending my coworker upgrade to FM 9 as soon as possible. I’m hoping he’ll be able to even though Adobe is on FM 11 now. I’ve seen the traffic on the list about FM 11; I have no desire to update to it at this time so I’m hoping he doesn’t
