Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Thanks everyone for your advice on this. I think we might actually be moving to TCS2, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed! Regards, Lynn Shmuel Wolfson shmue...@gmail.com Sent by: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com 02/12/2009 09:07 To Lea Rush l...@astoria-pacific.com, Framers framers@lists.frameusers.com cc Subject Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 There are much bigger differences than that. Mif2Go is more more techy, much harder to set up, but requires much less (if not zero) cleanup after the conversion. If you go with Mif2Go, I recommend hiring someone to help you set if up and train you to make minor modifications. Just my 2 micrograms of silver. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 Lea Rush wrote: Hi Jeremy, I did a comparison of RH vs. Mif2Go at the beginning of the year, and the biggest difference I found was that RH supported Natural Language search. Does Mif2Go support that, or will it? Thanks! Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax: 503-655-7367 l...@astoria-pacific.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸ º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸º NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication is from Astoria-Pacific International and is intended to be confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:13 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Lynn Durell Subject: Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:59:43 +, Lynn Durell lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk wrote: Thanks very much indeed for the responses. I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same version then! From what I've seen, here, on HATT, and on the TCS list itself, waiting is a very good idea IMHO. Maybe waiting until Frame 10.0. ;-) Look at all the posts from users, and you'll see what I mean. Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM menu? If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp before - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? You may also want to consider the third option, which has by far the lowest cost, and we think the best performance, Mif2Go. Many former WWP users tell us migration is pretty easy; for example, Mif2Go can use the same TopicAlias markers that WWP used. YMMV, of course. You can see for yourself how it works for you by downloading the free unlimited demo version at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm Mif2Go produces a dozen output formats, including CHM and its own Open Source cross-platform cross-browser OmniHelp. It also can convert UNstructured Frame to DocBook and DITA, allowing you the freedom to migrate to an XML editor if necessary. Many very large enterprises are currently using it to do just that. And it's only $295 per seat, with steep quantity discounts, a significant factor in today's problematic economy. Finally, if anyone here is unemployed or underemployed, an academic (student, faculty, or staff), or a developer of FOSS (Free Open Source Software), Mif2Go is *free* for you. Just send your name and email address to of...@omsys.com, with subject Mif2Go, and we'll send a password and download instructions for the full registered version. No proof is needed; we use the Honor System here. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as l...@astoria-pacific.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria- pacific.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as shmue...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Thanks everyone for your advice on this. I think we might actually be moving to TCS2, so I'm keeping my fingers crossed! Regards, Lynn Shmuel Wolfson Sent by: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com 02/12/2009 09:07 To Lea Rush , Framers cc Subject Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 There are much bigger differences than that. Mif2Go is more more techy, much harder to set up, but requires much less (if not zero) cleanup after the conversion. If you go with Mif2Go, I recommend hiring someone to help you set if up and train you to make minor modifications. Just my 2 micrograms of silver. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 Lea Rush wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > I did a comparison of RH vs. Mif2Go at the beginning of the year, and the > biggest difference I found was that RH supported Natural Language search. > Does Mif2Go support that, or will it? > > Thanks! > Lea > > > _ > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > www.astoria-pacific.com > ph: 800-536-3111 > fax: 503-655-7367 > lea at astoria-pacific.com > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > `?.??.???`?.?.???`?...? ><?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><?> > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY > > This communication is from Astoria-Pacific International and is intended to > be confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed > above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information > contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, > and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information > is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, > and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. > > >> -Original Message- >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- >> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith >> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:13 PM >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >> Cc: Lynn Durell >> Subject: Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 >> >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:59:43 +, Lynn Durell >> wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks very much indeed for the responses. >>> >>> I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same >>> version then! >>> >> >From what I've seen, here, on HATT, and on the TCS list itself, >> waiting is a very good idea IMHO. Maybe waiting until Frame 10.0. ;-) >> Look at all the posts from users, and you'll see what I mean. >> >> >>> Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM >>> > menu? > >>> If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we >>> produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp >>> before - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? >>> >> You may also want to consider the third option, which has by far >> the lowest cost, and we think the best performance, Mif2Go. Many >> former WWP users tell us migration is pretty easy; for example, >> Mif2Go can use the same TopicAlias markers that WWP used. YMMV, >> of course. You can see for yourself how it works for you by >> downloading the free unlimited demo version at: >> http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm >> >> Mif2Go produces a dozen output formats, including CHM and its >> own Open Source cross-platform cross-browser OmniHelp. It also >> can convert UNstructured Frame to DocBook and DITA, allowing >> you the freedom to migrate to an XML editor if necessary. Many >> very large enterprises are currently using it to do just that. >> And it's only $295 per seat, with steep quantity discounts, a >> significant factor in today's problematic economy. >> >> Finally, if anyone here is unemployed or underemployed, an >> academic (student, faculty, or staff), or a developer of FOSS >> (Free Open Source Software), Mif2Go is *free* for you. Just >> send your name and email address to , with >> subject "Mif2Go", and we'll send a password and download >> instructions for the full registered version. No proof is >> needed; we use the Honor System here. >> >> HTH! >> >> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. >> http://www.omsys.com/ >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers a
Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:48:30 -0800, Lea Rush l...@astoria-pacific.com wrote: I did a comparison of RH vs. Mif2Go at the beginning of the year, and the biggest difference I found was that RH supported Natural Language search. Does Mif2Go support that, or will it? If I understand you correctly, you are talking about WebHelp search, right? So you are comparing RH WebHelp with OmniHelp. (For other Help formats, like HTML Help, search is built in so that it is the same regardless of the tool used.) One difference is that OmniHelp is Open Source (LGPL), and RH WebHelp is proprietary. That means that with OmniHelp, you can add any search engine you please, by modifying the JavaScript. It's not trivial, but it's certainly possible. For OmniHelp, our goal is to make it very fast to respond, because people using Help systems want to find the info they need quickly and get on with the job they are doing. So we do all the search indexing at authoring time, and provide a JavaScript array, ready to use, so that search even of large docs is instantaneous. That approach pretty much limits you to keyword search (including regex), which we feel is a very reasonable price to pay for the high speed. We also feel that an index, properly done, is superior to any form of search. So we're not inclined to invest the time needed to implement Natural Language search in OmniHelp ourselves. It would slow down searches, especially on large doc sets, dramatically, for a rather questionable benefit. However, anyone who really wants it can certainly add it as an option, and redistribute the result legally, which may not be possible under less permissive licenses. And, of course, there are quite a few other differences that we consider much more significant... but that's your call. ;-) HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
There are much bigger differences than that. Mif2Go is more more techy, much harder to set up, but requires much less (if not zero) cleanup after the conversion. If you go with Mif2Go, I recommend hiring someone to help you set if up and train you to make minor modifications. Just my 2 micrograms of silver. -- Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical Writer 052-763-7133 Lea Rush wrote: > Hi Jeremy, > > I did a comparison of RH vs. Mif2Go at the beginning of the year, and the > biggest difference I found was that RH supported Natural Language search. > Does Mif2Go support that, or will it? > > Thanks! > Lea > > > _ > Lea Rush > Software and Documentation Specialist > Astoria-Pacific International > www.astoria-pacific.com > ph: 800-536-3111 > fax: 503-655-7367 > lea at astoria-pacific.com > > Please consider the environment before printing this email. > `?.??.???`?.?.???`?...? ><?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><?> > > NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY > > This communication is from Astoria-Pacific International and is intended to > be confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed > above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information > contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, > and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information > is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please > contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, > and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. > > >> -Original Message- >> From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- >> bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith >> Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:13 PM >> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com >> Cc: Lynn Durell >> Subject: Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 >> >> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:59:43 +, Lynn Durell >> wrote: >> >> >>> Thanks very much indeed for the responses. >>> >>> I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same >>> version then! >>> >> >From what I've seen, here, on HATT, and on the TCS list itself, >> waiting is a very good idea IMHO. Maybe waiting until Frame 10.0. ;-) >> Look at all the posts from users, and you'll see what I mean. >> >> >>> Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM >>> > menu? > >>> If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we >>> produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp >>> before - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? >>> >> You may also want to consider the third option, which has by far >> the lowest cost, and we think the best performance, Mif2Go. Many >> former WWP users tell us migration is pretty easy; for example, >> Mif2Go can use the same TopicAlias markers that WWP used. YMMV, >> of course. You can see for yourself how it works for you by >> downloading the free unlimited demo version at: >> http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm >> >> Mif2Go produces a dozen output formats, including CHM and its >> own Open Source cross-platform cross-browser OmniHelp. It also >> can convert UNstructured Frame to DocBook and DITA, allowing >> you the freedom to migrate to an XML editor if necessary. Many >> very large enterprises are currently using it to do just that. >> And it's only $295 per seat, with steep quantity discounts, a >> significant factor in today's problematic economy. >> >> Finally, if anyone here is unemployed or underemployed, an >> academic (student, faculty, or staff), or a developer of FOSS >> (Free Open Source Software), Mif2Go is *free* for you. Just >> send your name and email address to , with >> subject "Mif2Go", and we'll send a password and download >> instructions for the full registered version. No proof is >> needed; we use the Honor System here. >> >> HTH! >> >> -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. >> http://www.omsys.com/ >> ___ >> >> >> You are currently subscribed to Framers as lea at astoria-pacific.com. >> >> Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. >> >> To unsubscribe send a blank email to >> framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >> or visit >> > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailma
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 15:48:30 -0800, "Lea Rush" wrote: >I did a comparison of RH vs. Mif2Go at the beginning of the year, and the >biggest difference I found was that RH supported Natural Language search. >Does Mif2Go support that, or will it? If I understand you correctly, you are talking about WebHelp search, right? So you are comparing RH WebHelp with OmniHelp. (For other Help formats, like HTML Help, search is built in so that it is the same regardless of the tool used.) One difference is that OmniHelp is Open Source (LGPL), and RH WebHelp is proprietary. That means that with OmniHelp, you can add any search engine you please, by modifying the JavaScript. It's not trivial, but it's certainly possible. For OmniHelp, our goal is to make it very fast to respond, because people using Help systems want to find the info they need quickly and get on with the job they are doing. So we do all the search indexing at authoring time, and provide a JavaScript array, ready to use, so that search even of large docs is instantaneous. That approach pretty much limits you to keyword search (including regex), which we feel is a very reasonable price to pay for the high speed. We also feel that an index, properly done, is superior to any form of search. So we're not inclined to invest the time needed to implement "Natural Language" search in OmniHelp ourselves. It would slow down searches, especially on large doc sets, dramatically, for a rather questionable benefit. However, anyone who really wants it can certainly add it as an option, and redistribute the result legally, which may not be possible under less permissive licenses. And, of course, there are quite a few other differences that we consider much more significant... but that's your call. ;-) HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
RE: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Hi Jeremy, I did a comparison of RH vs. Mif2Go at the beginning of the year, and the biggest difference I found was that RH supported Natural Language search. Does Mif2Go support that, or will it? Thanks! Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax: 503-655-7367 l...@astoria-pacific.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. `·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸ º`·.¸¸.·´¯`·.¸.·´¯`·...¸º NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY This communication is from Astoria-Pacific International and is intended to be confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed above. If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, and delete or destroy all copies. Thank you for your cooperation. -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:13 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Cc: Lynn Durell Subject: Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:59:43 +, Lynn Durell lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk wrote: Thanks very much indeed for the responses. I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same version then! From what I've seen, here, on HATT, and on the TCS list itself, waiting is a very good idea IMHO. Maybe waiting until Frame 10.0. ;-) Look at all the posts from users, and you'll see what I mean. Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM menu? If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp before - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? You may also want to consider the third option, which has by far the lowest cost, and we think the best performance, Mif2Go. Many former WWP users tell us migration is pretty easy; for example, Mif2Go can use the same TopicAlias markers that WWP used. YMMV, of course. You can see for yourself how it works for you by downloading the free unlimited demo version at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm Mif2Go produces a dozen output formats, including CHM and its own Open Source cross-platform cross-browser OmniHelp. It also can convert UNstructured Frame to DocBook and DITA, allowing you the freedom to migrate to an XML editor if necessary. Many very large enterprises are currently using it to do just that. And it's only $295 per seat, with steep quantity discounts, a significant factor in today's problematic economy. Finally, if anyone here is unemployed or underemployed, an academic (student, faculty, or staff), or a developer of FOSS (Free Open Source Software), Mif2Go is *free* for you. Just send your name and email address to of...@omsys.com, with subject Mif2Go, and we'll send a password and download instructions for the full registered version. No proof is needed; we use the Honor System here. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as l...@astoria-pacific.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria- pacific.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Hi Jeremy, I did a comparison of RH vs. Mif2Go at the beginning of the year, and the biggest difference I found was that RH supported Natural Language search. Does Mif2Go support that, or will it? Thanks! Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International www.astoria-pacific.com ph: 800-536-3111 fax:? 503-655-7367 lea at astoria-pacific.com Please consider the environment before printing this email. `?.??.???`?.?.???`?...? ><?>`?.??.???`?.?.???`?...?><?> ? NOTICE OF CONFIDENTIALITY ? This communication is from Astoria-Pacific International and is intended to be confidential and solely for the use of the persons or entities addressed above.? If you are not an intended recipient, be aware that the information contained herein may be protected from unauthorized use by privilege or law, and any copying, distribution, disclosure, or other use of this information is prohibited.? If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender by return email or telephone (503) 657-3010 immediately, and delete or destroy all copies.? Thank you for your cooperation. > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers- > bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Jeremy H. Griffith > Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:13 PM > To: framers at lists.frameusers.com > Cc: Lynn Durell > Subject: Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 > > On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:59:43 +, Lynn Durell > wrote: > > >Thanks very much indeed for the responses. > > > >I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same > >version then! > > >From what I've seen, here, on HATT, and on the TCS list itself, > waiting is a very good idea IMHO. Maybe waiting until Frame 10.0. ;-) > Look at all the posts from users, and you'll see what I mean. > > >Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM menu? > > > >If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we > >produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp > >before - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? > > You may also want to consider the third option, which has by far > the lowest cost, and we think the best performance, Mif2Go. Many > former WWP users tell us migration is pretty easy; for example, > Mif2Go can use the same TopicAlias markers that WWP used. YMMV, > of course. You can see for yourself how it works for you by > downloading the free unlimited demo version at: > http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm > > Mif2Go produces a dozen output formats, including CHM and its > own Open Source cross-platform cross-browser OmniHelp. It also > can convert UNstructured Frame to DocBook and DITA, allowing > you the freedom to migrate to an XML editor if necessary. Many > very large enterprises are currently using it to do just that. > And it's only $295 per seat, with steep quantity discounts, a > significant factor in today's problematic economy. > > Finally, if anyone here is unemployed or underemployed, an > academic (student, faculty, or staff), or a developer of FOSS > (Free Open Source Software), Mif2Go is *free* for you. Just > send your name and email address to , with > subject "Mif2Go", and we'll send a password and download > instructions for the full registered version. No proof is > needed; we use the Honor System here. > > HTH! > > -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. > http://www.omsys.com/ > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as lea at astoria-pacific.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria- > pacific.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Hi, Thanks very much indeed for the responses. I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same version then! Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM menu? If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp before - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? Thanks very much, Lynn Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com 25/11/2009 17:31 To Lynn Durell lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk cc framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 Answers cut in Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Lynn Durell lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk wrote: Hi, My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). We're all running Win XP. Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? Yes, that's all there is to it, but you need to SaveAs MIF. Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? You need to back save to a MIF format. The issues would be that any features in 9 would drop out in 7. If you use any foreign characters, that'd be a problem because 9 supports unicode characters and fonts, but 7 did not. We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks AutoMap 2003 Client within FM menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? Webworks doesn't exist as a product any longer. It became ePublisher, and the current version is required to support FM9. You're likely to be better off financially by upgrading to the Tech Comm Suite so you can also get the current version of Acrobat and then switch to RoboHelp. When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that are released? It depends on when Adobe updates their CDs to include the patches. Downloading them or using the built-in installer is pretty painless though. Any other tips for upgrading? Some people have reported font issues with really old font files. Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? Support stopped when version 8 shipped several years ago. Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
EPublisher is supposed to be a new release/version of WebWorks, but I have no personal info about it. RH can produce a herd of formats including CHM. I don't think it's especially difficult to master, but like most programs, I think it follows the 80/20 rule. You can do most of your work easily, but there are always some nuances to figure out. If you have a simple design and help implementation, it takes less time to figure out. You may want to pop over to the TCS User's Group for more info from RH experts... http://groups.google.com/group/TCS-Users Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Lynn Durell lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk wrote: Hi, Thanks very much indeed for the responses. I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same version then! Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM menu? If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp before - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? Thanks very much, Lynn *Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com* 25/11/2009 17:31 To Lynn Durell lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk cc framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 Answers cut in Art Campbell *art.campb...@gmail.com* art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Lynn Durell *lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk*lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk wrote: Hi, My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). We're all running Win XP. Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? Yes, that's all there is to it, but you need to SaveAs MIF. Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? You need to back save to a MIF format. The issues would be that any features in 9 would drop out in 7. If you use any foreign characters, that'd be a problem because 9 supports unicode characters and fonts, but 7 did not. We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks AutoMap 2003 Client within FM menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? Webworks doesn't exist as a product any longer. It became ePublisher, and the current version is required to support FM9. You're likely to be better off financially by upgrading to the Tech Comm Suite so you can also get the current version of Acrobat and then switch to RoboHelp. When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that are released? It depends on when Adobe updates their CDs to include the patches. Downloading them or using the built-in installer is pretty painless though. Any other tips for upgrading? Some people have reported font issues with really old font files. Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? Support stopped when version 8 shipped several years ago. Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as *art.campb...@gmail.com*art.campb...@gmail.com . Send list messages to *fram...@lists.frameusers.com*framers@lists.frameusers.com . To unsubscribe send a blank email to* **framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com*framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit * http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com *http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to *listad...@frameusers.com*listad...@frameusers.com. Visit* **http://www.frameusers.com/* http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:59:43 +, Lynn Durell lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk wrote: Thanks very much indeed for the responses. I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same version then! From what I've seen, here, on HATT, and on the TCS list itself, waiting is a very good idea IMHO. Maybe waiting until Frame 10.0. ;-) Look at all the posts from users, and you'll see what I mean. Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM menu? If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp before - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? You may also want to consider the third option, which has by far the lowest cost, and we think the best performance, Mif2Go. Many former WWP users tell us migration is pretty easy; for example, Mif2Go can use the same TopicAlias markers that WWP used. YMMV, of course. You can see for yourself how it works for you by downloading the free unlimited demo version at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm Mif2Go produces a dozen output formats, including CHM and its own Open Source cross-platform cross-browser OmniHelp. It also can convert UNstructured Frame to DocBook and DITA, allowing you the freedom to migrate to an XML editor if necessary. Many very large enterprises are currently using it to do just that. And it's only $295 per seat, with steep quantity discounts, a significant factor in today's problematic economy. Finally, if anyone here is unemployed or underemployed, an academic (student, faculty, or staff), or a developer of FOSS (Free Open Source Software), Mif2Go is *free* for you. Just send your name and email address to of...@omsys.com, with subject Mif2Go, and we'll send a password and download instructions for the full registered version. No proof is needed; we use the Honor System here. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. jer...@omsys.com http://www.omsys.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Hi, Thanks very much indeed for the responses. I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same version then! Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM menu? If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp before - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? Thanks very much, Lynn Art Campbell 25/11/2009 17:31 To Lynn Durell cc framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 Answers cut in Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Lynn Durell wrote: Hi, My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). We're all running Win XP. Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? Yes, that's all there is to it, but you need to SaveAs MIF. Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? You need to back save to a MIF format. The issues would be that any features in 9 would drop out in 7. If you use any foreign characters, that'd be a problem because 9 supports unicode characters and fonts, but 7 did not. We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? Webworks doesn't exist as a product any longer. It became ePublisher, and the current version is required to support FM9. You're likely to be better off financially by upgrading to the Tech Comm Suite so you can also get the current version of Acrobat and then switch to RoboHelp. When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that are released? It depends on when Adobe updates their CDs to include the patches. Downloading them or using the built-in installer is pretty painless though. Any other tips for upgrading? Some people have reported font issues with really old font files. Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? Support stopped when version 8 shipped several years ago. Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
EPublisher is supposed to be a new release/version of WebWorks, but I have no personal info about it. RH can produce a herd of formats including CHM. I don't think it's especially difficult to master, but like most programs, I think it follows the 80/20 rule. You can do most of your work easily, but there are always some nuances to figure out. If you have a simple design and help implementation, it takes less time to figure out. You may want to pop over to the TCS User's Group for more info from RH experts... http://groups.google.com/group/TCS-Users Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 5:59 AM, Lynn Durell wrote: > > Hi, > > Thanks very much indeed for the responses. > > I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same > version then! > > Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM menu? > > If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we > produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp before > - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? > > Thanks very much, > Lynn > > > > *Art Campbell * > > 25/11/2009 17:31 > To > Lynn Durell > cc > framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject > Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 > > > > > Answers cut in > > Art Campbell >*art.campbell at gmail.com* > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and > a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. > DoD 358 > > > On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Lynn Durell <*Lynn.Durell at > dds.co.uk*> > wrote: > Hi, > > My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 > (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). > > We're all running Win XP. > > > Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in > v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? > > Yes, that's all there is to it, but you need to SaveAs MIF. > > Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still > read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the > upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare > occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? > > You need to back save to a MIF format. The issues would be that any > features in 9 would drop out in 7. If you use any foreign characters, that'd > be a problem because 9 supports unicode characters and fonts, but 7 did not. > > > We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM > menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? > > Webworks doesn't exist as a product any longer. It became ePublisher, and > the current version is required to support FM9. > > You're likely to be better off financially by upgrading to the Tech Comm > Suite so you can also get the current version of Acrobat and then switch to > RoboHelp. > > When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that > are released? > > It depends on when Adobe updates their CDs to include the patches. > Downloading them or using the built-in installer is pretty painless though. > > Any other tips for upgrading? > > Some people have reported font issues with really old font files. > > Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? > > Support stopped when version 8 shipped several years ago. > > Thanks very much in advance for your help, > Lynn > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as *art.campbell at > gmail.com* > . > > Send list messages to *framers at lists.frameusers.com* lists.frameusers.com> > . > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to* > **framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com* lists.frameusers.com> > or visit * > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > *<http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com> > > Send administrative questions to *listadmin at frameusers.com* frameusers.com>. > Visit* > **http://www.frameusers.com/* <http://www.frameusers.com/> for more > resources and info. > >
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:59:43 +, Lynn Durell wrote: >Thanks very much indeed for the responses. > >I think we'll need to wait to ensure everyone is upgrading to the same >version then! >From what I've seen, here, on HATT, and on the TCS list itself, waiting is a very good idea IMHO. Maybe waiting until Frame 10.0. ;-) Look at all the posts from users, and you'll see what I mean. >Does ePublisher work in the same way as WebWorks, i.e. within the FM menu? > >If we did go down the Tech Comm Suite route instead of ePublisher, can we >produce CHM files using RoboHelp? None of us here have used RoboHelp >before - would it be a steep learning curve to do this? You may also want to consider the third option, which has by far the lowest cost, and we think the best performance, Mif2Go. Many former WWP users tell us migration is pretty easy; for example, Mif2Go can use the same TopicAlias markers that WWP used. YMMV, of course. You can see for yourself how it works for you by downloading the free unlimited demo version at: http://www.omsys.com/dcl/download.htm Mif2Go produces a dozen output formats, including CHM and its own Open Source cross-platform cross-browser OmniHelp. It also can convert UNstructured Frame to DocBook and DITA, allowing you the freedom to migrate to an XML editor if necessary. Many very large enterprises are currently using it to do just that. And it's only $295 per seat, with steep quantity discounts, a significant factor in today's problematic economy. Finally, if anyone here is unemployed or underemployed, an academic (student, faculty, or staff), or a developer of FOSS (Free Open Source Software), Mif2Go is *free* for you. Just send your name and email address to , with subject "Mif2Go", and we'll send a password and download instructions for the full registered version. No proof is needed; we use the Honor System here. HTH! -- Jeremy H. Griffith, at Omni Systems Inc. http://www.omsys.com/
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Hi, My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). We're all running Win XP. Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks AutoMap 2003 Client within FM menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that are released? Any other tips for upgrading? Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Hi, Lynn! Short answers to some of your questions: Yes, opening the docs in v9 is all you have to do and save as you normally do. However, you can only backsave to v8 from v9. We have run into this problem several times, having to find someone one on v8 to then backsave to v7. Hope that helps! Kristy -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Durell Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:21 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 Hi, My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). We're all running Win XP. Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks AutoMap 2003 Client within FM menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that are released? Any other tips for upgrading? Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kristy.no...@wnco.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco. com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Lynn, I haven't upgraded to FM9, yet. It might happen in the near future though. In all the upgrades I have done with FrameMaker in the past, to get your documents updated just open and save. Everything should work just fine. As far as those members of your team that are staying on an earlier release, you would need to do a SaveAs FM7.x any documents that you send to them. You would need to do this each and every time, so getting everyone on the same version as soon as possible would save you some work. Also, if you use any of the new features of FM9, you will lose them when you SaveAs FM7.x. I don't use WebWorks, but if memory serves me, every time you upgrade FM you upgrade WebWorks. This can get pretty expensive if you have a lot of users. David Spreadbury Sr. Technical Writer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Durell Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:21 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 Hi, My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). We're all running Win XP. Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks AutoMap 2003 Client within FM menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that are released? Any other tips for upgrading? Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Answers cut in Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Lynn Durell lynn.dur...@dds.co.uk wrote: Hi, My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). We're all running Win XP. Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? Yes, that's all there is to it, but you need to SaveAs MIF. Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? You need to back save to a MIF format. The issues would be that any features in 9 would drop out in 7. If you use any foreign characters, that'd be a problem because 9 supports unicode characters and fonts, but 7 did not. We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks AutoMap 2003 Client within FM menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? Webworks doesn't exist as a product any longer. It became ePublisher, and the current version is required to support FM9. You're likely to be better off financially by upgrading to the Tech Comm Suite so you can also get the current version of Acrobat and then switch to RoboHelp. When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that are released? It depends on when Adobe updates their CDs to include the patches. Downloading them or using the built-in installer is pretty painless though. Any other tips for upgrading? Some people have reported font issues with really old font files. Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? Support stopped when version 8 shipped several years ago. Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Hi, My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). We're all running Win XP. Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that are released? Any other tips for upgrading? Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Hi, Lynn! Short answers to some of your questions: Yes, opening the docs in v9 is all you have to do and save as you normally do. However, you can only backsave to v8 from v9. We have run into this problem several times, having to find someone one on v8 to then backsave to v7. Hope that helps! Kristy -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Durell Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:21 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 Hi, My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). We're all running Win XP. Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that are released? Any other tips for upgrading? Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as kristy.nolan at wnco.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/kristy.nolan%40wnco. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. *** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *** This e-mail message and all attachments transmitted with it may contain legally privileged and confidential information intended solely for the use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reading, dissemination, distribution, copying, or other use of this message or its attachments is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this message from your system. Thank you.
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Lynn, I haven't upgraded to FM9, yet. It might happen in the near future though. In all the upgrades I have done with FrameMaker in the past, to get your documents updated just open and save. Everything should work just fine. As far as those members of your team that are staying on an earlier release, you would need to do a SaveAs FM7.x any documents that you send to them. You would need to do this each and every time, so getting everyone on the same version as soon as possible would save you some work. Also, if you use any of the new features of FM9, you will lose them when you SaveAs FM7.x. I don't use WebWorks, but if memory serves me, every time you upgrade FM you upgrade WebWorks. This can get pretty expensive if you have a lot of users. David Spreadbury Sr. Technical Writer -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Durell Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2009 11:21 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9 Hi, My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). We're all running Win XP. Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that are released? Any other tips for upgrading? Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? Thanks very much in advance for your help, Lynn
Upgrading FM from 7.1 to 9
Answers cut in Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 12:21 PM, Lynn Durell wrote: > Hi, > > My company is considering upgrading our FrameMaker from 7.1p114 to 9 > (yippee, we've never upgraded before!). > > We're all running Win XP. > > > Please forgive my lack of knowledge, but do we open our v7.1 FM files in > v9 and then save them as v9? Or is it more complicated than that? > > Yes, that's all there is to it, but you need to SaveAs MIF. > Once our FM files are saved as v9, can any users still using v7.1 still > read them (there's a chance our counterpart US office won't get the > upgrade to v9)? Or would we need to save back as v7 for those rare > occasions? Are there any known issues with doing this? > > You need to back save to a MIF format. The issues would be that any features in 9 would drop out in 7. If you use any foreign characters, that'd be a problem because 9 supports unicode characters and fonts, but 7 did not. > We currently using WebWorks (WebWorks > AutoMap 2003 Client within FM > menu) to produce CHM files. Will this be affected if we upgrade to v9? > > Webworks doesn't exist as a product any longer. It became ePublisher, and the current version is required to support FM9. You're likely to be better off financially by upgrading to the Tech Comm Suite so you can also get the current version of Acrobat and then switch to RoboHelp. > When you buy a v9 licence, do you automatically get all the patches that > are released? > > It depends on when Adobe updates their CDs to include the patches. Downloading them or using the built-in installer is pretty painless though. > Any other tips for upgrading? > > Some people have reported font issues with really old font files. > Can anyone confirm that v7.1 is no longer supported by Adobe? > > Support stopped when version 8 shipped several years ago. > Thanks very much in advance for your help, > Lynn > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >