Re: Color wrestling
At 15:03 + 15/11/06, Steve Rickaby wrote: I hope there is some color expert out that who can help me with this. In a book that uses black and one spot color, a Pantone, and which should print as a 2-color process: . An image, not created here, that is spot colored, is coming through in PDF or FrameMaker as having some CMYK content (possibly the shading). . FrameMaker and Illustrator use different names for the same Pantone, in Illustrator's case, 201U, and in FrameMaker's case, 201CVU. FrameMaker treats these as two separate colors. I can find no common definition of this Pantone in any of the two application's libraries. I received very helpful input from Peter Gold, Tom Nilles, Scott White and Richard Doll over this, for which, my thanks. Leaving aside the Pantone naming issue, I have found out what the problem is with the first, image, issue. The designer's original image contains only process black and a spot Pantone. However, when scaled and rotated in Illustrator, then re-saved as EPS, the resulting image was CMYK: all mention of spot color had disappeared. I realise that this is an Illustrator problem and not a FrameMaker problem. I may be able to get around the issue by doing the scaling and mirroring in FrameMaker. However, I am taken aback to find that Illustrator does this. It even does it if you save the EPS as a PDF and specify no color conversion. -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Color wrestling
At 15:03 + 15/11/06, Steve Rickaby wrote: >I hope there is some color expert out that who can help me with this. > >In a book that uses black and one spot color, a Pantone, and which should >print as a 2-color process: > >. An image, not created here, that is spot colored, is coming through in PDF >or FrameMaker as having some CMYK content (possibly the shading). > >. FrameMaker and Illustrator use different names for the same Pantone, in >Illustrator's case, 201U, and in FrameMaker's case, 201CVU. FrameMaker treats >these as two separate colors. I can find no common definition of this Pantone >in any of the two application's libraries. I received very helpful input from Peter Gold, Tom Nilles, Scott White and Richard Doll over this, for which, my thanks. Leaving aside the Pantone naming issue, I have found out what the problem is with the first, image, issue. The designer's original image contains only process black and a spot Pantone. However, when scaled and rotated in Illustrator, then re-saved as EPS, the resulting image was CMYK: all mention of spot color had disappeared. I realise that this is an Illustrator problem and not a FrameMaker problem. I may be able to get around the issue by doing the scaling and mirroring in FrameMaker. However, I am taken aback to find that Illustrator does this. It even does it if you save the EPS as a PDF and specify no color conversion. -- Steve
Color wrestling
I hope there is some color expert out that who can help me with this. In a book that uses black and one spot color, a Pantone, and which should print as a 2-color process: . An image, not created here, that is spot colored, is coming through in PDF or FrameMaker as having some CMYK content (possibly the shading). . FrameMaker and Illustrator use different names for the same Pantone, in Illustrator's case, 201U, and in FrameMaker's case, 201CVU. FrameMaker treats these as two separate colors. I can find no common definition of this Pantone in any of the two application's libraries. My local print shop tell me that these sorts of things cannot be overridden in a pre-press PDF. Has anyone had to handle hassles like this? Is there a way to tell FrameMaker to consider the two colors to be the same thing? Is there a PDF tool that can hit these problems with some sort of big hammer? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Color wrestling
Steve We have run into this on occasion with illustrator images. I double checked with my printer and he confirmed the only thing you can do is have your printer merge the two colors that you are getting from the image onto one plate. Should be routine thing there. Scott White Media Production Manager Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: I hope there is some color expert out that who can help me with this. In a book that uses black and one spot color, a Pantone, and which should print as a 2-color process: . An image, not created here, that is spot colored, is coming through in PDF or FrameMaker as having some CMYK content (possibly the shading). . FrameMaker and Illustrator use different names for the same Pantone, in Illustrator's case, 201U, and in FrameMaker's case, 201CVU. FrameMaker treats these as two separate colors. I can find no common definition of this Pantone in any of the two application's libraries. My local print shop tell me that these sorts of things cannot be overridden in a pre-press PDF. Has anyone had to handle hassles like this? Is there a way to tell FrameMaker to consider the two colors to be the same thing? Is there a PDF tool that can hit these problems with some sort of big hammer? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/swhite% 40alamark.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Color wrestling
I hope there is some color expert out that who can help me with this. In a book that uses black and one spot color, a Pantone, and which should print as a 2-color process: . An image, not created here, that is spot colored, is coming through in PDF or FrameMaker as having some CMYK content (possibly the shading). . FrameMaker and Illustrator use different names for the same Pantone, in Illustrator's case, 201U, and in FrameMaker's case, 201CVU. FrameMaker treats these as two separate colors. I can find no common definition of this Pantone in any of the two application's libraries. My local print shop tell me that these sorts of things cannot be overridden in a pre-press PDF. Has anyone had to handle hassles like this? Is there a way to tell FrameMaker to consider the two colors to be the same thing? Is there a PDF tool that can hit these problems with some sort of big hammer? -- Steve
Color wrestling
Steve We have run into this on occasion with illustrator images. I double checked with my printer and he confirmed the only thing you can do is have your printer merge the two colors that you are getting from the image onto one plate. Should be routine thing there. Scott White Media Production Manager Implementation Coordinator 210-704-8239 swhite at alamark.com On Nov 15, 2006, at 9:03 AM, Steve Rickaby wrote: > I hope there is some color expert out that who can help me with this. > > In a book that uses black and one spot color, a Pantone, and which > should print as a 2-color process: > > . An image, not created here, that is spot colored, is coming > through in PDF or FrameMaker as having some CMYK content (possibly > the shading). > > . FrameMaker and Illustrator use different names for the same > Pantone, in Illustrator's case, 201U, and in FrameMaker's case, > 201CVU. FrameMaker treats these as two separate colors. I can find > no common definition of this Pantone in any of the two > application's libraries. > > My local print shop tell me that these sorts of things cannot be > overridden in a pre-press PDF. > > Has anyone had to handle hassles like this? Is there a way to tell > FrameMaker to consider the two colors to be the same thing? Is > there a PDF tool that can hit these problems with some sort of big > hammer? > > -- > Steve > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as swhite at alamark.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/swhite% > 40alamark.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
