Re: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[International DTP]

Hi, did anyone notice if this change of the registry key affects the
behavior of the numeric key pad for other use? i.e. does the normal ALT
sequence for ASCII characters still work?


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Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:52:50 -0500
From: Mike Wickham [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 The first method described here (How to enter Unicode characters
 in Microsoft Windows)
 http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm
 does work for me in FM8.
 You probably need to set the registry key EnableHexNumpad as described.

Thanks! Adding the registry key got it working for me.

Mike Wickham 

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Re: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Mike Wickham]

 Hi, did anyone notice if this change of the registry key affects the
 behavior of the numeric key pad for other use? i.e. does the normal ALT
 sequence for ASCII characters still work?

I noticed no change. The alt keypad keys still work normally-- hold down the 
alt key, type the four digit extended ASCII code, and then release the alt 
key. For Unicode characters, you hold down the alt key, _press and release 
the plus key_, press and release the Unicode code numbers/letters, and then 
release the alt key. Of course, the font must support those Unicode 
characters.

Mike Wickham


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Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[International DTP]

Hi, did anyone notice if this change of the registry key affects the
behavior of the numeric key pad for other use? i.e. does the normal ALT
sequence for ASCII characters still work?


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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2008 20:52:50 -0500
From: "Mike Wickham" <mewick...@compuserve.com>
Subject: Re: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document
To: "Klaus Mueller" ,  "Frame Users"

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> The first method described here ("How to enter Unicode characters
> in Microsoft Windows")
> http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm
> does work for me in FM8.
> You probably need to set the registry key EnableHexNumpad as described.

Thanks! Adding the registry key got it working for me.

Mike Wickham 

Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Geoffrey Marnell]

Many thanks to all those who responded to my request for help. Copying from
the Character Map was always an option, but what a tedious one it is.
Special thanks to Klaus Mueller, for his solution and for the tip about
BabelMap. I can well and truly retire Character Map now.

It is disappointing that Adobe would sprout on so much about FM 8's unicode
credentials and yet fail completely in its documentation to explain how to
enter unicode characters.

Cheers

Geoffrey Marnell
Principal Consultant
Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
W: http://www.abelard.com.au http://www.abelard.com.au/ 

 

 
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Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Klaus Mueller]

Geoffrey,

The first method described here ("How to enter Unicode characters
in Microsoft Windows")
http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm
does work for me in FM8.
You probably need to set the registry key EnableHexNumpad as described.

If you don't know your unicode (hex) values inside out, BabelMap
http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html
is a cute tool to determine, convert and search for unicode chars
(valuable tip by Stefan Gentz).

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Geoffrey Marnell
Date: 01.06.2008 02:37
> Hi Framers,
>  
> I'm tired of pulling my hair out trying to find an answer to this in the FM
> 8 OLH, so over to you...
>  
> I want to enter some unicode (but non-ANSI) characters into an English
> language document (such as primes and double primes-u2032; and u2033;
> respectively-being symbols use in specifying latitude and longitude). I'm
> stuffed if I can work out how to do this directly in FM. 
>  
> There is a long-winded workaround: type the character in MSWord (2032 + ALT
> + x gives the prime, for example), copy it, and then paste it into FM (Paste
> Special --> Unicode Text). But surely there is an easier way than this.
> Ideas?
>  
> Cheers
>  
> 
> Geoffrey Marnell
> Principal Consultant
> Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
> T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
> F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
> W: http://www.abelard.com.au  

Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Geoffrey Marnell]

Many thanks to all those who responded to my request for help. Copying from
the Character Map was always an option, but what a tedious one it is.
Special thanks to Klaus Mueller, for his solution and for the tip about
BabelMap. I can well and truly retire Character Map now.

It is disappointing that Adobe would sprout on so much about FM 8's unicode
credentials and yet fail completely in its documentation to explain how to
enter unicode characters.

Cheers

Geoffrey Marnell
Principal Consultant
Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
W: http://www.abelard.com.au  

Re: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Amnon Yaish]

Press the Alt key and type your Unicode, then release the alt key.

Amnon.

Geoffrey Marnell ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said on 1/06/08 at 10:37 :

...I want to enter some unicode (but non-ANSI) characters into an English
language document ... 


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Re: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Mike Wickham]

 I want to enter some unicode (but non-ANSI) characters into an English
 language document (such as primes and double primes-u2032; and u2033;
 respectively-being symbols use in specifying latitude and longitude). I'm
 stuffed if I can work out how to do this directly in FM.

The only method I'm aware of is to cut and paste characters from the Windows 
Character Map program.

Mike Wickham


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Re: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Mike Wickham]

 Press the Alt key and type your Unicode, then release the alt key.

That only works for the 256 extended ASCII characters for me. How are you 
entering the Unicode characters with higher values, such as U+0416? Alt-416 
and Alt-0416 both produce characters, but neither are the correct Unicode 
character. (I used the Arial Unicode MS font.)

Mike Wickham


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Re: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Amnon Yaish]

Mike,

For U+0416, you normally do alt/0,4,1,6 . I have already heard of such
problems as you describe because of Windows' bad implementation of
Unicode at lower levels. That might be sometimes related to interaction
with a specific font.

Have you tried switching fonts? You might also have a look at a very
convenient utility called PopChar Win, which you can find at http://
www.macility.com/products/popcharwin/ and which I use without a glitch
on Frame 8 / Windows XP (MacBook Pro+VMWare Fusion).

Good luck,

Amnon.



Mike Wickham ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) said on 1/06/08 at 13:23 :

 Press the Alt key and type your Unicode, then release the alt key.

That only works for the 256 extended ASCII characters for me. How are you 
entering the Unicode characters with higher values, such as U+0416? Alt-416 
and Alt-0416 both produce characters, but neither are the correct Unicode 
character. (I used the Arial Unicode MS font.)

Mike Wickham





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RE: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Mike Bradley]

It embarasses me to say, this, really it does, but … I looked in the Office 
online help!!!

To enter a Unicode character, enter codeALT+X. For instance, to type €, the 
Euro symbol, type 20ac then press ALT+X. It works in Office 2007; I don't 
know about earlier versions.


= Mike Bradley
  www.techpubs.com


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Re: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Klaus Mueller]

Geoffrey,

The first method described here (How to enter Unicode characters
in Microsoft Windows)
http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm
does work for me in FM8.
You probably need to set the registry key EnableHexNumpad as described.

If you don't know your unicode (hex) values inside out, BabelMap
http://www.babelstone.co.uk/Software/BabelMap.html
is a cute tool to determine, convert and search for unicode chars
(valuable tip by Stefan Gentz).

Kind regards,
Klaus


--- Original Message ---
From: Geoffrey Marnell
Date: 01.06.2008 02:37
 Hi Framers,
  
 I'm tired of pulling my hair out trying to find an answer to this in the FM
 8 OLH, so over to you...
  
 I want to enter some unicode (but non-ANSI) characters into an English
 language document (such as primes and double primes-u2032; and u2033;
 respectively-being symbols use in specifying latitude and longitude). I'm
 stuffed if I can work out how to do this directly in FM. 
  
 There is a long-winded workaround: type the character in MSWord (2032 + ALT
 + x gives the prime, for example), copy it, and then paste it into FM (Paste
 Special -- Unicode Text). But surely there is an easier way than this.
 Ideas?
  
 Cheers
  
 
 Geoffrey Marnell
 Principal Consultant
 Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
 T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
 F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
 W: http://www.abelard.com.au http://www.abelard.com.au/ 

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Re: Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Mike Wickham]

 The first method described here (How to enter Unicode characters
 in Microsoft Windows)
 http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm
 does work for me in FM8.
 You probably need to set the registry key EnableHexNumpad as described.

Thanks! Adding the registry key got it working for me.

Mike Wickham


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Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Mike Wickham]

> I want to enter some unicode (but non-ANSI) characters into an English
> language document (such as primes and double primes-u2032; and u2033;
> respectively-being symbols use in specifying latitude and longitude). I'm
> stuffed if I can work out how to do this directly in FM.

The only method I'm aware of is to cut and paste characters from the Windows 
Character Map program.

Mike Wickham

Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Mike Wickham]

> Press the Alt key and type your Unicode, then release the alt key.

That only works for the 256 extended ASCII characters for me. How are you 
entering the Unicode characters with higher values, such as U+0416? Alt-416 
and Alt-0416 both produce characters, but neither are the correct Unicode 
character. (I used the Arial Unicode MS font.)

Mike Wickham

Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Amnon Yaish]

Mike,

For U+0416, you normally do alt/0,4,1,6 . I have already heard of such
problems as you describe because of Windows' bad implementation of
Unicode at lower levels. That might be sometimes related to interaction
with a specific font.

Have you tried switching fonts? You might also have a look at a very
convenient utility called PopChar Win, which you can find at  and which I use without a glitch
on Frame 8 / Windows XP (MacBook Pro+VMWare Fusion).

Good luck,

Amnon.



Mike Wickham (mewickham at compuserve.com) said on 1/06/08 at 13:23 :

>> Press the Alt key and type your Unicode, then release the alt key.
>
>That only works for the 256 extended ASCII characters for me. How are you 
>entering the Unicode characters with higher values, such as U+0416? Alt-416 
>and Alt-0416 both produce characters, but neither are the correct Unicode 
>character. (I used the Arial Unicode MS font.)
>
>Mike Wickham
>
>
>

Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Mike Bradley]

It embarasses me to say, this, really it does, but ? I looked in the Office 
online help!!!

To enter a Unicode character, enter ALT+X. For instance, to type ?, the 
Euro symbol, type "20ac" then press ALT+X. It works in Office 2007; I don't 
know about earlier versions.


= Mike Bradley
  www.techpubs.com

Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Mike Wickham]

> The first method described here ("How to enter Unicode characters
> in Microsoft Windows")
> http://www.fileformat.info/tip/microsoft/enter_unicode.htm
> does work for me in FM8.
> You probably need to set the registry key EnableHexNumpad as described.

Thanks! Adding the registry key got it working for me.

Mike Wickham

Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Amnon Yaish]

Press the Alt key and type your Unicode, then release the alt key.

Amnon.

Geoffrey Marnell (geoffrey at abelard.com.au) said on 1/06/08 at 10:37 :

>...>I want to enter some unicode (but non-ANSI) characters into an English
>language document ...> 

Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Geoffrey Marnell]

Hi Framers,

I'm tired of pulling my hair out trying to find an answer to this in the FM
8 OLH, so over to you...

I want to enter some unicode (but non-ANSI) characters into an English
language document (such as primes and double primes-u2032; and u2033;
respectively-being symbols use in specifying latitude and longitude). I'm
stuffed if I can work out how to do this directly in FM. 

There is a long-winded workaround: type the character in MSWord (2032 + ALT
+ x gives the prime, for example), copy it, and then paste it into FM (Paste
Special --> Unicode Text). But surely there is an easier way than this.
Ideas?

Cheers


Geoffrey Marnell
Principal Consultant
Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
W: http://www.abelard.com.au  

Entering unicode characters directly in an FM 8 document

[Geoffrey Marnell]

Hi Framers,
 
I'm tired of pulling my hair out trying to find an answer to this in the FM
8 OLH, so over to you...
 
I want to enter some unicode (but non-ANSI) characters into an English
language document (such as primes and double primes-u2032; and u2033;
respectively-being symbols use in specifying latitude and longitude). I'm
stuffed if I can work out how to do this directly in FM. 
 
There is a long-winded workaround: type the character in MSWord (2032 + ALT
+ x gives the prime, for example), copy it, and then paste it into FM (Paste
Special -- Unicode Text). But surely there is an easier way than this.
Ideas?
 
Cheers
 

Geoffrey Marnell
Principal Consultant
Abelard Consulting Pty Ltd
T: (+61 3) 9596 3456
F: (+61 3) 9596 3625
W: http://www.abelard.com.au http://www.abelard.com.au/ 

 

 
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