RE: FM 8: In standard index, tabbing problem with page numbers

2013-10-06 Thread Fred Ridder 
IMO, this is one prime reason not to use tabs to separate page numbers from the 
text of index entries. What presentation would be visually logical for the 
continuation line? Even if the continuation line does not split the page 
numbers into two groups, what in the world do you do about the leader dots? The 
result of using a right-aligned tab looks wrong whether the continuation line 
includes them or eliminates them. 

The only time I, personally, would ever consider using tabs in an index is when 
the page design uses a column width that is wide enough to guarantee no 
line-wrapped entries. And in that particular case I would still avoid the tab 
because I think that the wide separation between entries and page numbers would 
make the index much harder to read and use. 

-Fred Ridder

From: techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org
To: Framers@Lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: FM 8:  In standard index, tabbing problem with page numbers
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:48:47 -0700

Greetings,

I now have my index working properly … I’ll write more on that just as soon as 
I finish up this project. 

Meanwhile, I have a small problem in the index. I have formatted my index 
entries with right-aligned tabs with leader dots. When an entry appears on 
several pages, such that the page numbers must wrap, then on the second line an 
extra set of leader dots appears. It looks something like this:

 Entry . . . . . 16, 27, 42,
 71, . . . . . . . . . . . . 119

With text symbols displayed, I see that the marker and tab character preceding 
“71” both appear on the line above, following “42, “. 

I’m guessing that there is a better way to set this up, so that this anomaly 
does not occur. But does the solution lie in changing the paragraph tag, or 
perhaps elsewhere? I tried changing the alignment setting from left justified 
to justified, but that did not help.

Input greatly appreciated!

Thank you kindly,
Elchanan
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Re: FM 8: In standard index, tabbing problem with page numbers

2013-10-06 Thread Robert Lauriston 
I don't know, but dot leaders in an index seems very eccentric and
likely to make it much less readable.

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM, VLM TechSubs
techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org wrote:
 Greetings,

 I now have my index working properly … I’ll write more on that just as soon
 as I finish up this project.

 Meanwhile, I have a small problem in the index. I have formatted my index
 entries with right-aligned tabs with leader dots. When an entry appears on
 several pages, such that the page numbers must wrap, then on the second line
 an extra set of leader dots appears. It looks something like this:

  Entry . . . . . 16, 27, 42,
  71, . . . . . . . . . . . . 119
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FM 8: In standard index, tabbing problem with page numbers

2013-10-06 Thread Fred Ridder 
IMO, this is one prime reason not to use tabs to separate page numbers from the 
text of index entries. What presentation would be visually logical for the 
continuation line? Even if the continuation line does not split the page 
numbers into two groups, what in the world do you do about the leader dots? The 
result of using a right-aligned tab looks wrong whether the continuation line 
includes them or eliminates them. 

The only time I, personally, would ever consider using tabs in an index is when 
the page design uses a column width that is wide enough to guarantee no 
line-wrapped entries. And in that particular case I would still avoid the tab 
because I think that the wide separation between entries and page numbers would 
make the index much harder to read and use. 

-Fred Ridder

From: techs...@vibrantlivingministries.org
To: Framers at Lists.FrameUsers.com
Subject: FM 8:  In standard index, tabbing problem with page numbers
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 2013 10:48:47 -0700

Greetings,

I now have my index working properly ? I?ll write more on that just as soon as 
I finish up this project. 

Meanwhile, I have a small problem in the index. I have formatted my index 
entries with right-aligned tabs with leader dots. When an entry appears on 
several pages, such that the page numbers must wrap, then on the second line an 
extra set of leader dots appears. It looks something like this:

 Entry . . . . . 16, 27, 42,
 71, . . . . . . . . . . . . 119

With text symbols displayed, I see that the marker and tab character preceding 
?71? both appear on the line above, following ?42, ?. 

I?m guessing that there is a better way to set this up, so that this anomaly 
does not occur. But does the solution lie in changing the paragraph tag, or 
perhaps elsewhere? I tried changing the alignment setting from left justified 
to justified, but that did not help.

Input greatly appreciated!

Thank you kindly,
Elchanan
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FM 8: In standard index, tabbing problem with page numbers

2013-10-05 Thread VLM TechSubs 
Greetings,

I now have my index working properly . I'll write more on that just as soon as 
I finish up this project. 

Meanwhile, I have a small problem in the index. I have formatted my index 
entries with right-aligned tabs with leader dots. When an
entry appears on several pages, such that the page numbers must wrap, then on 
the second line an extra set of leader dots appears.
It looks something like this:

 Entry . . . . . 16, 27, 42,
 71, . . . . . . . . . . . . 119

With text symbols displayed, I see that the marker and tab character preceding 
71 both appear on the line above, following 42, .


I'm guessing that there is a better way to set this up, so that this anomaly 
does not occur. But does the solution lie in changing
the paragraph tag, or perhaps elsewhere? I tried changing the alignment setting 
from left justified to justified, but that did not
help.

Input greatly appreciated!

Thank you kindly,
Elchanan

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FM 8: In standard index, tabbing problem with page numbers

2013-10-05 Thread VLM TechSubs 
Greetings,

I now have my index working properly . I'll write more on that just as soon as 
I finish up this project. 

Meanwhile, I have a small problem in the index. I have formatted my index 
entries with right-aligned tabs with leader dots. When an
entry appears on several pages, such that the page numbers must wrap, then on 
the second line an extra set of leader dots appears.
It looks something like this:

 Entry . . . . . 16, 27, 42,
 71, . . . . . . . . . . . . 119

With text symbols displayed, I see that the marker and tab character preceding 
"71" both appear on the line above, following "42, ".


I'm guessing that there is a better way to set this up, so that this anomaly 
does not occur. But does the solution lie in changing
the paragraph tag, or perhaps elsewhere? I tried changing the alignment setting 
from left justified to justified, but that did not
help.

Input greatly appreciated!

Thank you kindly,
Elchanan

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FM 8: In standard index, tabbing problem with page numbers

2013-10-05 Thread Robert Lauriston 
I don't know, but dot leaders in an index seems very eccentric and
likely to make it much less readable.

On Sat, Oct 5, 2013 at 10:48 AM, VLM TechSubs
 wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I now have my index working properly ? I?ll write more on that just as soon
> as I finish up this project.
>
> Meanwhile, I have a small problem in the index. I have formatted my index
> entries with right-aligned tabs with leader dots. When an entry appears on
> several pages, such that the page numbers must wrap, then on the second line
> an extra set of leader dots appears. It looks something like this:
>
>  Entry . . . . . 16, 27, 42,
>  71, . . . . . . . . . . . . 119