For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
Hi Ben, Since FM8 doesn't support Mac, we don't have any upgrade plans. Still, it would be nice to move up from FM6, and if Adobe did deliver FM for Mac OS X, we'd snap up 10 copies in a flash. We're not alone though, as Apple is still using Mac FM6 to produce its user guides, which is reassuring. Paul On 2 Aug 2007, at 17:00, objectives.ca wrote: > Hi Framers, > > For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration > plans? > > Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time? > > Thanks for your opinions! > > Ben > > Ben Hechter > objectives.ca > Technical Performance Support Solutions > Vancouver BC > t: 604-725-7385 > e: bhechter at objectives.ca >
Re: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
Hi Ben, Since FM8 doesn't support Mac, we don't have any upgrade plans. Still, it would be nice to move up from FM6, and if Adobe did deliver FM for Mac OS X, we'd snap up 10 copies in a flash. We're not alone though, as Apple is still using Mac FM6 to produce its user guides, which is reassuring. Paul On 2 Aug 2007, at 17:00, objectives.ca wrote: Hi Framers, For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans? Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time? Thanks for your opinions! Ben Ben Hechter objectives.ca Technical Performance Support Solutions Vancouver BC t: 604-725-7385 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
Think I'll wait and see before upgrading. Tabs are cool, but Unicode seems more of a localization benefit. While I appreciate XML/DITA enhancements for structured users, I would not be so generous as to pay for an "enhancement" like feature stability (personally, I have no stability complaints). IMHO, if a feature doesn't work, it should be fixed for free. Ben Hechter objectives.ca Technical Performance Support Solutions Vancouver BC e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] w: www.semitake.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
At 09:55 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote: >LOL. Thanks, Steve :) I'll not restart the tool wars by rising to the >bait on that one. Wise man, wise man ;-) -- Steve
For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
At 08:41 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote: >(Yes, I know the chorus, "Undo is for wimps!" but I've been spoiled by all >those years in Word... Yeah, Wurd tends to have that effect - but not in the sense you mean ;-) -- Steve
For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
"Compelling reasons" are subjective and depend on your workflow and what FrameMaker features that workflow depends on. Boolean logic for show/hide rules and improved display of overlapping conditions may be very compelling features for some users, but are insignificantif you don't use conditions. Support for Unicode characters may be compelling for a significant number of users, but insignificant for many others.
RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
"Compelling reasons" are subjective and depend on your workflow and what FrameMaker features that workflow depends on. Boolean logic for show/hide rules and improved display of overlapping conditions may be very compelling features for some users, but are insignificantif you don't use conditions. Support for Unicode characters may be compelling for a significant number of users, but insignificant for many others. From the standpoint of Adobe's strategy for FrameMaker, the improvements in XML and DITA support are probably the biggest changes in FM8, but for people who use unstructured mode they are completely irrelevant. Compelling is in the eye of the beholder. From: objectives.ca <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: "objectives.ca" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans Date: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 10:00:42 -0600 Hi Framers, For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans? Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time? Thanks for your opinions! Ben Ben Hechter objectives.ca Technical Performance Support Solutions Vancouver BC t: 604-725-7385 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Puzzles, trivia teasers, word scrambles and more. Play for your chance to win! http://club.live.com/home.aspx?icid=CLUB_hotmailtextlink ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
At 09:55 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote: >LOL. Thanks, Steve :) I'll not restart the tool wars by rising to the >bait on that one. Wise man, wise man ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
Think I'll wait and see before upgrading. Tabs are cool, but Unicode seems more of a localization benefit. While I appreciate XML/DITA enhancements for structured users, I would not be so generous as to pay for an "enhancement" like feature stability (personally, I have no stability complaints). IMHO, if a feature doesn't work, it should be fixed for free. Ben Hechter objectives.ca Technical Performance Support Solutions Vancouver BC e: bhechter at objectives.ca w: www.semitake.com
For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
LOL. Thanks, Steve :) I'll not restart the tool wars by rising to the bait on that one. Jim -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:srick...@wordmongers.demon.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:44 AM To: Pinkham, Jim; objectives.ca; framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans At 08:41 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote: >(Yes, I know the chorus, "Undo is for wimps!" but I've been spoiled by all those years in Word... Yeah, Wurd tends to have that effect - but not in the sense you mean ;-) -- Steve
For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
> For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans? > > Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time? I plan to upgrade*, but I'm still playing with the trial version of FM8. For me, the coolest feature is the ability to insert Unicode characters. I can now take advantage of the full character range of those fonts that have characters above the ASCII range. I also like the new row of tabs for open files. You can see which files are open at a glance. Clicking on a tab beats the heck out of clicking on Window to call up the file list and then clicking the appopriate file. (It's still not as easy as Alt-Wn.) There's also a new text edit tracking feature, similar to Word's, that shows added and deleted text in different colors. I have no need for it right now, but I like it more than the old change bar method. If you use conditional text, they've added some Boolean expressions that make it more versatile. Mike Wickham * That is, if I can find a solution to an apparent bug with the interaction of justification and allowing automatic letter spacing, that I reported in another thread.
For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
We're still at 7.1 and Acrobat Pro 6. All is relatively well. FM 8 seems attractive -- one thing that would entice me would be if multiple undo has truly attained stability in FM 8. (Yes, I know the chorus, "Undo is for wimps!" but I've been spoiled by all those years in Word, at least on that particular score -- BTW, rugby players think NFL football is for wimps, too, so each to his own.) A significant improvement in overall FM stability would interest me, too. Usually 7.1 behaves itself, but the other day it crashed on a whim. I save often enough to have averted major disaster, but it was still an annoyance and work and time lost. Acrobat 8, from what I've read, is likely significantly more stable than 6. Just as importantly, for us, would be the ability to bring AutoDesk Inventor graphics into our documentation. We're not fully there yet, but it doesn't take much of a crystal ball to see its possibilities in our future. I think we will go there. It's just a matter of time, budget, and how quickly our workflow creates the demand to access the new advanced features. I'm also curious to watch the development of InDesign and see how much convergence it achieves with FM. I'm not holding my breath just yet, but it's quite possibly an appealing future option. Jim -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+jim.pinkham=voith.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of objectives.ca Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:01 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans Hi Framers, For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans? Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time? Thanks for your opinions! Ben Ben Hechter objectives.ca Technical Performance Support Solutions Vancouver BC t: 604-725-7385 e: bhechter at objectives.ca ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pinkham at voith.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
LOL. Thanks, Steve :) I'll not restart the tool wars by rising to the bait on that one. Jim -Original Message- From: Steve Rickaby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2007 9:44 AM To: Pinkham, Jim; objectives.ca; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans At 08:41 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote: >(Yes, I know the chorus, "Undo is for wimps!" but I've been spoiled by all those years in Word... Yeah, Wurd tends to have that effect - but not in the sense you mean ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
At 08:41 -0500 7/8/07, Pinkham, Jim wrote: >(Yes, I know the chorus, "Undo is for wimps!" but I've been spoiled by all >those years in Word... Yeah, Wurd tends to have that effect - but not in the sense you mean ;-) -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans? Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time? I plan to upgrade*, but I'm still playing with the trial version of FM8. For me, the coolest feature is the ability to insert Unicode characters. I can now take advantage of the full character range of those fonts that have characters above the ASCII range. I also like the new row of tabs for open files. You can see which files are open at a glance. Clicking on a tab beats the heck out of clicking on Window to call up the file list and then clicking the appopriate file. (It's still not as easy as Alt-Wn.) There's also a new text edit tracking feature, similar to Word's, that shows added and deleted text in different colors. I have no need for it right now, but I like it more than the old change bar method. If you use conditional text, they've added some Boolean expressions that make it more versatile. Mike Wickham * That is, if I can find a solution to an apparent bug with the interaction of justification and allowing automatic letter spacing, that I reported in another thread. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
We're still at 7.1 and Acrobat Pro 6. All is relatively well. FM 8 seems attractive -- one thing that would entice me would be if multiple undo has truly attained stability in FM 8. (Yes, I know the chorus, "Undo is for wimps!" but I've been spoiled by all those years in Word, at least on that particular score -- BTW, rugby players think NFL football is for wimps, too, so each to his own.) A significant improvement in overall FM stability would interest me, too. Usually 7.1 behaves itself, but the other day it crashed on a whim. I save often enough to have averted major disaster, but it was still an annoyance and work and time lost. Acrobat 8, from what I've read, is likely significantly more stable than 6. Just as importantly, for us, would be the ability to bring AutoDesk Inventor graphics into our documentation. We're not fully there yet, but it doesn't take much of a crystal ball to see its possibilities in our future. I think we will go there. It's just a matter of time, budget, and how quickly our workflow creates the demand to access the new advanced features. I'm also curious to watch the development of InDesign and see how much convergence it achieves with FM. I'm not holding my breath just yet, but it's quite possibly an appealing future option. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of objectives.ca Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:01 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans Hi Framers, For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans? Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time? Thanks for your opinions! Ben Ben Hechter objectives.ca Technical Performance Support Solutions Vancouver BC t: 604-725-7385 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith. com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
Hi Framers, For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans? Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time? Thanks for your opinions! Ben Ben Hechter objectives.ca Technical Performance Support Solutions Vancouver BC t: 604-725-7385 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
For Unstructured Framemaker users: FM8 migration plans
Hi Framers, For users of unstructured Framemaker, what are your FM8 migration plans? Are there any compelling reasons to upgrade at this time? Thanks for your opinions! Ben Ben Hechter objectives.ca Technical Performance Support Solutions Vancouver BC t: 604-725-7385 e: bhechter at objectives.ca
