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Murray, We upgraded in April 08 and use unstructured FM only. Had a few initial problems with FM8 crashing (once a day). New patches seems to have taken care of that, I don't even remember my last crash. Just make sure you get all the patches. The FM8 User Guide tells you to round trip to mif if opening files older than FM7. I did this as a precautionary. Couple of additional changes/improvements: * Vista and Office 2007 compatible (FM6 was Office 2000 I believe) Much better Word filter. * Ability to lock master page usage to paragraph tags (great for locking wide tables to landscape pages) * Option to display a Tab bar (similar to a Tab bar in a web browser) * Can embed 3D flash * While the Undo History is an improvement over the single Undo in FM6, I was a little disappointed that actions such as saving a file clear the Undo history. As Dave mentioned, you get a warning that can be turned off. * My mouse scroll wheel didn't work in FM6, but works in FM8. Bottom line, we're very happy with the upgrade. -- Jeff Schweiner Hardware Engineering Writer Cray Inc. (715) 726-4801 From: Dave Reynolds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Great Leap To: Murray Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Murray We also upgraded from FM6 to FM8 (on Win XP and 2000). I don't remember encountering any problems. I tested FM8 for our Tech Pubs group, and I made the following notes about what I noticed was different: * The Page Up and Page Down keys move the file up or down by one screen, not by one page. If you don't like this you can use the customui.cfg file to change it. * The Print PDF Setup dialog has more options. * Document Info (for a PDF file) is no longer set from the Print PDF Setup dialog. To enter Document Info in FM8: o from an open file select File File Info o from a book select the file(s) and select File File info, or right click on the selected file(s) and select File Info. * When selecting a font from the drop-down list in Paragraph Designer Default Font Family, you get a pop-up showing the font name in that font. * The file names in the book window are in a smaller font, or else they just look smaller because they're not bold anymore. * The page background in an open file now picks up the Window background colour from your Windows colour scheme. * The tool bar icons are slightly different. * If you get sick of the Undo history will be lost warning popping up every time you close and save a file, you can turn it off in File Preferences General. I don't think you will have any problems, but you should probably do some testing first. Cheers Dave Murray Moore wrote, on 2/12/2008 7:53 a.m.: I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible? Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Hi Murray We also upgraded from FM6 to FM8 (on Win XP and 2000). I don't remember encountering any problems. I tested FM8 for our Tech Pubs group, and I made the following notes about what I noticed was different: * The Page Up and Page Down keys move the file up or down by one screen, not by one page. If you don't like this you can use the customui.cfg file to change it. * The Print > PDF Setup dialog has more options. * "Document Info" (for a PDF file) is no longer set from the Print > PDF Setup dialog. To enter Document Info in FM8: o from an open file select File > File Info o from a book select the file(s) and select File > File info, or right click on the selected file(s) and select File Info. * When selecting a font from the drop-down list in Paragraph Designer > Default Font > Family, you get a pop-up showing the font name in that font. * The file names in the book window are in a smaller font, or else they just look smaller because they're not bold anymore. * The page background in an open file now picks up the "Window" background colour from your Windows colour scheme. * The tool bar icons are slightly different. * If you get sick of the "Undo history will be lost" warning popping up every time you close and save a file, you can turn it off in File > Preferences > General. I don't think you will have any problems, but you should probably do some testing first. Cheers Dave Murray Moore wrote, on 2/12/2008 7:53 a.m.: > I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. > > My manager wants to know "Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is > seamless? All our old files are compatible?" > > Any gotchas about which to beware? > > /\/\ > Murray > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.reynolds%40tait.co.nz > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029 Senior Technical Author Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632 Tait Electronics Ltd Email: dave.reynolds at tait.co.nz PO Box 1645 Christchurch New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. ===
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Murray, We upgraded in April 08 and use unstructured FM only. Had a few initial problems with FM8 crashing (once a day). New patches seems to have taken care of that, I don't even remember my last crash. Just make sure you get all the patches. The FM8 User Guide tells you to round trip to mif if opening files older than FM7. I did this as a precautionary. Couple of additional changes/improvements: * Vista and Office 2007 compatible (FM6 was Office 2000 I believe) Much better Word filter. * Ability to lock master page usage to paragraph tags (great for locking wide tables to landscape pages) * Option to display a Tab bar (similar to a Tab bar in a web browser) * Can embed 3D flash * While the Undo History is an improvement over the single Undo in FM6, I was a little disappointed that actions such as saving a file clear the Undo history. As Dave mentioned, you get a warning that can be turned off. * My mouse scroll wheel didn't work in FM6, but works in FM8. Bottom line, we're very happy with the upgrade. -- Jeff Schweiner Hardware Engineering Writer Cray Inc. (715) 726-4801 From: Dave Reynolds <dave.reyno...@tait.co.nz> Subject: Re: Great Leap To: Murray Moore Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com Message-ID: <4934431E.1060203 at tait.co.nz> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Murray We also upgraded from FM6 to FM8 (on Win XP and 2000). I don't remember encountering any problems. I tested FM8 for our Tech Pubs group, and I made the following notes about what I noticed was different: * The Page Up and Page Down keys move the file up or down by one screen, not by one page. If you don't like this you can use the customui.cfg file to change it. * The Print > PDF Setup dialog has more options. * "Document Info" (for a PDF file) is no longer set from the Print > PDF Setup dialog. To enter Document Info in FM8: o from an open file select File > File Info o from a book select the file(s) and select File > File info, or right click on the selected file(s) and select File Info. * When selecting a font from the drop-down list in Paragraph Designer > Default Font > Family, you get a pop-up showing the font name in that font. * The file names in the book window are in a smaller font, or else they just look smaller because they're not bold anymore. * The page background in an open file now picks up the "Window" background colour from your Windows colour scheme. * The tool bar icons are slightly different. * If you get sick of the "Undo history will be lost" warning popping up every time you close and save a file, you can turn it off in File > Preferences > General. I don't think you will have any problems, but you should probably do some testing first. Cheers Dave Murray Moore wrote, on 2/12/2008 7:53 a.m.: > I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. > > My manager wants to know "Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is > seamless? All our old files are compatible?" > > Any gotchas about which to beware? > > /\/\ > Murray
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I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible? Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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I went from FM 6 to FM 8 and did not have any problems. I like the track changes feature and conditional text changes. Yes, your old files are compatible, but once you move to FM 8, you cannot use FM 6 to edit the files without some effort. -Lief -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Murray Moore Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:53 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Great Leap I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible? Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This email has been scanned. This email has been scanned. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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It's pretty painless, assuming your hardware and OS is 8-grade rather than 6. However, upgrading to the Tech Comm Suite costs about the same if you also use Acrobat, RoboHelp, or Captivate. So that gives you a lot more bang for the buck -- you pay the tab for two applications and get several more. Art Art Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Murray Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible? Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Hi, Murray: There are some issues with unicode characters available in FM 8, but not in earlier versions. I think one common area to see this is in PDF bookmarks. On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Murray Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible? Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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'Got cross-threaded to the Tech-Whirlers list -DJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] com] On Behalf Of Butler,Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:22 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Murray Moore Subject: RE: Great Leap Murray, When it comes to software, it's always A good idea to look before you leap, but if you download all the latest patches from Adobe, you shouldn't have any issues. If you have templates for generated list files (TOC, Index etc) you may want to consider rebuilding them within the FM8 environment - just to be on the safe side. I rebuilt my more complex gen-list templates, the rest I re-saved in FM8, and all of them seem to be working okey-dokey. Blessings, DJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Murray Moore Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:53 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Great Leap I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible? Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ^ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. http://www.doctohelp.com Help Manual 5: The complete help authoring tool for individual authors and teams. Professional power, intuitive interface. Write once, publish to 8 formats. Multi-user authoring and version control! http://www.helpandmanual.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to TECHWR-L as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/options/techwr-l/darren.butler.ctr%40r obins.af.mil To subscribe, send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.techwr-l.com/ for more resources and info. Please move off-topic discussions to the Chat list, at: http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/listinfo/techwr-l-chat ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
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Hi Murray We also upgraded from FM6 to FM8 (on Win XP and 2000). I don't remember encountering any problems. I tested FM8 for our Tech Pubs group, and I made the following notes about what I noticed was different: * The Page Up and Page Down keys move the file up or down by one screen, not by one page. If you don't like this you can use the customui.cfg file to change it. * The Print PDF Setup dialog has more options. * Document Info (for a PDF file) is no longer set from the Print PDF Setup dialog. To enter Document Info in FM8: o from an open file select File File Info o from a book select the file(s) and select File File info, or right click on the selected file(s) and select File Info. * When selecting a font from the drop-down list in Paragraph Designer Default Font Family, you get a pop-up showing the font name in that font. * The file names in the book window are in a smaller font, or else they just look smaller because they're not bold anymore. * The page background in an open file now picks up the Window background colour from your Windows colour scheme. * The tool bar icons are slightly different. * If you get sick of the Undo history will be lost warning popping up every time you close and save a file, you can turn it off in File Preferences General. I don't think you will have any problems, but you should probably do some testing first. Cheers Dave Murray Moore wrote, on 2/12/2008 7:53 a.m.: I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible? Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dave.reynolds%40tait.co.nz Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Dave Reynolds Phone: (64) (3) 358 1029 Senior Technical Author Fax: (64) (3) 359 4632 Tait Electronics Ltd Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] PO Box 1645 Christchurch New Zealand === This email, including any attachments, is only for the intended addressee. It is subject to copyright, is confidential and may be the subject of legal or other privilege, none of which is waived or lost by reason of this transmission. If the receiver is not the intended addressee, please accept our apologies, notify us by return, delete all copies and perform no other act on the email. Unfortunately, we cannot warrant that the email has not been altered or corrupted during transmission. === ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Great Leap
I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know "Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible?" Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray
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I went from FM 6 to FM 8 and did not have any problems. I like the track changes feature and conditional text changes. Yes, your old files are compatible, but once you move to FM 8, you cannot use FM 6 to edit the files without some effort. -Lief -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Murray Moore Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 12:53 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Great Leap I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know "Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible?" Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as lief at netinst.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lief%40netinst.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. This email has been scanned. This email has been scanned.
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It's pretty painless, assuming your hardware and OS is 8-grade rather than 6. However, upgrading to the Tech Comm Suite costs about the same if you also use Acrobat, RoboHelp, or Captivate. So that gives you a lot more bang for the buck -- you pay the tab for two applications and get several more. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Murray Moore wrote: > I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM > 8. > > My manager wants to know "Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is > seamless? All our old files are compatible?" > > Any gotchas about which to beware? > > /\/\ > Murray > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
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Hi, Murray: There are some issues with unicode characters available in FM 8, but not in earlier versions. I think one common area to see this is in PDF bookmarks. > On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 1:53 PM, Murray Moore csdcsystems.com>wrote: > >> I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM >> 8. >> >> My manager wants to know "Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is >> seamless? All our old files are compatible?" >> >> Any gotchas about which to beware? >> >> /\/\ >> Murray HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
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'Got cross-threaded to the Tech-Whirlers list -DJ -Original Message- From: techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at lists.techwr-l.com [mailto:techwr-l-bounces+darren.butler.ctr=robins.af.mil at lists.techwr-l. com] On Behalf Of Butler,Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHAC Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 2:22 PM To: techwr-l at lists.techwr-l.com Cc: Murray Moore Subject: RE: Great Leap Murray, When it comes to software, it's always A good idea to look before you leap, but if you download all the latest patches from Adobe, you shouldn't have any issues. If you have templates for generated list files (TOC, Index etc) you may want to consider rebuilding them within the FM8 environment - just to be on the safe side. I rebuilt my more complex gen-list templates, the rest I re-saved in FM8, and all of them seem to be working okey-dokey. Blessings, DJ -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Murray Moore Sent: Monday, December 01, 2008 1:53 PM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: Great Leap I have an opportunity to leap several versions and upgrade from FM 6 to FM 8. My manager wants to know "Do you see any issues migrating to 8 - it is seamless? All our old files are compatible?" Any gotchas about which to beware? /\/\ Murray ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as darren.butler.ctr at robins.af.mil. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/darren.butler.ctr%40 robins.af.mil Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ^ ComponentOne Doc-To-Help 2009 is your all-in-one authoring and publishing solution. Author in Doc-To-Help's XML-based editor, Microsoft Word or HTML and publish to the Web, Help systems or printed manuals. http://www.doctohelp.com Help & Manual 5: The complete help authoring tool for individual authors and teams. Professional power, intuitive interface. Write once, publish to 8 formats. Multi-user authoring and version control! http://www.helpandmanual.com/ --- You are currently subscribed to TECHWR-L as Darren.Butler.ctr at robins.af.mil. To unsubscribe send a blank email to techwr-l-unsubscribe at lists.techwr-l.com or visit http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/options/techwr-l/darren.butler.ctr%40r obins.af.mil To subscribe, send a blank email to techwr-l-join at lists.techwr-l.com Send administrative questions to admin at techwr-l.com. Visit http://www.techwr-l.com/ for more resources and info. Please move off-topic discussions to the Chat list, at: http://lists.techwr-l.com/mailman/listinfo/techwr-l-chat
