RE: Handling Large FrameMaker Books
I'm fairly fond of sub-folder structures. Do you have any general idea how deep is too deep? I haven't had any specific trouble, but better to use safer practices than not. Thanks, Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367 > -Original Message- > From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com > [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > bryan johnson > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:32 AM > To: mrbass...@gmail.com; Joseph; framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books > > adding to Pappy's response... i've noticed Frame doesn't like it when you > bury files within multiple sub-folders. > (i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\me\My > Documents\2009\Projects\Newstuff\sourcefiles\dtpfiles\framemakerfiles\morestuff\maybenow\not yet\almost > there\here we go\file.fm > > try unburying... > > >>> "Pappy" 2/4/2009 11:25 AM >>> > >I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the > >size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute > >book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. > >I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I > >need one integrated TOC. > > > >Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide > >commands with a book this size easier? > > > > > Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide > commands? > > 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 > pages. > > = > Rick Henkel > http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bryan.john...@motoman.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bryan.johnson%40motoman.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as l...@astoria-pacific.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria-pacific.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Handling Large FrameMaker Books
I'm fairly fond of sub-folder structures. Do you have any general idea how deep is too deep? I haven't had any specific trouble, but better to use safer practices than not. Thanks, Lea _ Lea Rush Software and Documentation Specialist Astoria-Pacific International PO Box 830 Clackamas OR 97015 PH: 800-657-3010 FAX: 503-655-7367 > -Original Message- > From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces at > lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of > bryan johnson > Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 8:32 AM > To: mrbassman at gmail.com; Joseph; framers at lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books > > adding to Pappy's response... i've noticed Frame doesn't like it when you > bury files within multiple sub-folders. > (i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\me\My > Documents\2009\Projects\Newstuff\sourcefiles\dtpfiles\framemakerfiles\morestuff\maybenow\not yet\almost > there\here we go\file.fm > > try unburying... > > >>> "Pappy" 2/4/2009 11:25 AM >>> > >I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the > >size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute > >book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. > >I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I > >need one integrated TOC. > > > >Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide > >commands with a book this size easier? > > > > > Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide > commands? > > 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 > pages. > > = > Rick Henkel > http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as bryan.johnson at motoman.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bryan.johnson%40motoman.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as lea at astoria-pacific.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lea%40astoria-pacific.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Handling Large FrameMaker Books
>>Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide >>commands with a book this size easier? I worked in a 12,000 page book and it handled it fine. Tip to open all files in the book is a good one. With the book displayed, hold down the shift key and click File. You'll see a different set of options, one of them to open all files in the book. -- John Posada Senior Technical Writer NYMetro STC President Looking for the next gig.
Handling Large FrameMaker Books
And seconding the idea of opening all the files locally, the two biggest bottlenecks are local RAM and disk free space and a combination of network speed and server speed for opening and closing the remote files. If you're running slowly or Frame is having trouble, those are your first two items to check. FWIW, I think 2G RAM is about the minimum you want to be running... and the drive needs to have a significant chunk of free space. One other possible bottleneck is if your local virus checker is processing each component file each time FM hits it. If it is, and it's possible to configure it, try to minimize screening network files. Art Art Campbell art.campbell at gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Pappy wrote: >>I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the >>size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute >>book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. >>I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I >>need one integrated TOC. >> >>Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide >>commands with a book this size easier? > > > > > Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide > commands? > > 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 > pages. > > = > Rick Henkel > http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campbell at gmail.com. > > Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. >
Handling Large FrameMaker Books
adding to Pappy's response... i've noticed Frame doesn't like it when you bury files within multiple sub-folders. (i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\me\My Documents\2009\Projects\Newstuff\sourcefiles\dtpfiles\framemakerfiles\morestuff\maybenow\not yet\almost there\here we go\file.fm try unburying... >>> "Pappy" 2/4/2009 11:25 AM >>> >I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the >size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute >book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. >I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I >need one integrated TOC. > >Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide >commands with a book this size easier? Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide commands? 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 pages. = Rick Henkel http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bryan.johnson at motoman.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bryan.johnson%40motoman.com Send administrative questions to listadmin at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books
>I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the >size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute >book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. >I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I >need one integrated TOC. > >Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide >commands with a book this size easier? Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide commands? 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 pages. = Rick Henkel http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm
Handling Large FrameMaker Books
Hello all, I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I need one integrated TOC. Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide commands with a book this size easier? -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini
Handling Large FrameMaker Books
Joseph wrote: > I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to > the > size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute > book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. > I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I > need one integrated TOC. > > Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide > commands with a book this size easier? What do you mean by "incredibly difficult" -- slow? How slow? What's your computer configuration -- OS, processor, memory, disk space? Are the files on a local disk or on the network? There shouldn't be any problem with updating a 650-page book, other than "oh, that took a couple of seconds longer than my 100-page book." If you're experiencing much bigger problems, my first guess is you don't have enough memory. Memory is dirt cheap these days, so if you have less than 2 GB, upgrade to that level. Other possible problems involve the hard disk. Check your free disk space, the amount of disk fragmentation, and the size of your swap (paging) file. Also, delete all but the most recent few files from your temp directory. Do you have lots of graphics that are embedded (instead of imported by reference), or worse yet, OLE objects, either embedded or linked? OLE can really bog things down (plus it can be unstable). Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books
>>Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide >>commands with a book this size easier? I worked in a 12,000 page book and it handled it fine. Tip to open all files in the book is a good one. With the book displayed, hold down the shift key and click File. You'll see a different set of options, one of them to open all files in the book. -- John Posada Senior Technical Writer NYMetro STC President Looking for the next gig. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books
And seconding the idea of opening all the files locally, the two biggest bottlenecks are local RAM and disk free space and a combination of network speed and server speed for opening and closing the remote files. If you're running slowly or Frame is having trouble, those are your first two items to check. FWIW, I think 2G RAM is about the minimum you want to be running... and the drive needs to have a significant chunk of free space. One other possible bottleneck is if your local virus checker is processing each component file each time FM hits it. If it is, and it's possible to configure it, try to minimize screening network files. Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:25 AM, Pappy wrote: >>I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the >>size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute >>book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. >>I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I >>need one integrated TOC. >> >>Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide >>commands with a book this size easier? > > > > > Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide > commands? > > 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 > pages. > > = > Rick Henkel > http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. > > Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com > > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books
adding to Pappy's response... i've noticed Frame doesn't like it when you bury files within multiple sub-folders. (i.e. C:\Documents and Settings\me\My Documents\2009\Projects\Newstuff\sourcefiles\dtpfiles\framemakerfiles\morestuff\maybenow\not yet\almost there\here we go\file.fm try unburying... >>> "Pappy" 2/4/2009 11:25 AM >>> >I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the >size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute >book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. >I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I >need one integrated TOC. > >Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide >commands with a book this size easier? Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide commands? 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 pages. = Rick Henkel http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bryan.john...@motoman.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bryan.johnson%40motoman.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Handling Large FrameMaker Books
Joseph wrote: > I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to > the > size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute > book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. > I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I > need one integrated TOC. > > Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide > commands with a book this size easier? What do you mean by "incredibly difficult" -- slow? How slow? What's your computer configuration -- OS, processor, memory, disk space? Are the files on a local disk or on the network? There shouldn't be any problem with updating a 650-page book, other than "oh, that took a couple of seconds longer than my 100-page book." If you're experiencing much bigger problems, my first guess is you don't have enough memory. Memory is dirt cheap these days, so if you have less than 2 GB, upgrade to that level. Other possible problems involve the hard disk. Check your free disk space, the amount of disk fragmentation, and the size of your swap (paging) file. Also, delete all but the most recent few files from your temp directory. Do you have lots of graphics that are embedded (instead of imported by reference), or worse yet, OLE objects, either embedded or linked? OLE can really bog things down (plus it can be unstable). Richard Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: Handling Large FrameMaker Books
>I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the >size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute >book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. >I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I >need one integrated TOC. > >Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide >commands with a book this size easier? Are you opening all the files in the book before you do the book-wide commands? 650 pages isn't all that big. We have Frame book files that are nearly 3000 pages. = Rick Henkel http://rickhenkel.googlepages.com/index.htm ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Handling Large FrameMaker Books
Hello all, I am working on a 650-page document in unstructured FrameMaker 8. Due to the size of the document, its incredibly difficult for FrameMaker to execute book-wide commands, such as performing an update or generating the TOC. I have thought about splitting the document into two different books, but I need one integrated TOC. Does anyone have any suggestions that would make executing book-wide commands with a book this size easier? -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
