No MIF (was Phantom index entries

2006-08-01 Thread Art Campbell 
Hold down Ctrl while you select the .mif to open it in text mode.

Art

On 8/1/06, Frank Stearns  wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Murray Moore wrote:
>

> But don't try to open the MIF save in FM, as it will convert it right back
> to an FM doc. Use a plain text editor to open the MIF version. (There
> might have been a way to prevent FM from doing this auto convert of mif on
> open, but durned if I can remember it now.)
>

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

No MIF (was Phantom index entries

2006-08-01 Thread Murray Moore 
A


/\/\
Murray

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:art.campb...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:18 PM
To: Murray Moore
Cc: Frank Stearns; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: No MIF (was Phantom index entries


Murray,
What editor are you using to open the .mif?
It should be an ASCII editor such as Notepad/Wordpad, or the text
editor of your choice. Not Frame, or it'll be automagically converted
to the FM format -- MIF is just an ASCII representation of the FM
binary.

Art


On 8/1/06, Murray Moore  wrote:


> When one thing doesn't work, often it seems other things also do not work.
>
> I have saved the chapter two ways:
> * File ~> Save As... ~> Save as type MIF (*.mif)
> * File ~> Save using Mif2Go...
>
> But neither method has produced a text file, just a copy of the FM file with 
> a .mif extension.
>
> /\/\
> Murray
> ___
>

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

No MIF (was Phantom index entries

2006-08-01 Thread Art Campbell 
Murray,
What editor are you using to open the .mif?
It should be an ASCII editor such as Notepad/Wordpad, or the text
editor of your choice. Not Frame, or it'll be automagically converted
to the FM format -- MIF is just an ASCII representation of the FM
binary.

Art


On 8/1/06, Murray Moore  wrote:


> When one thing doesn't work, often it seems other things also do not work.
>
> I have saved the chapter two ways:
> * File ~> Save As... ~> Save as type MIF (*.mif)
> * File ~> Save using Mif2Go...
>
> But neither method has produced a text file, just a copy of the FM file with 
> a .mif extension.
>
> /\/\
> Murray
> ___
>

-- 
Art Campbell art.campbell at 
gmail.com
  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
 DoD 358

No MIF (was Phantom index entries

2006-08-01 Thread Murray Moore 
-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:fra...@fsatools.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:29 AM
To: Murray Moore
Cc: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Phantom index entries


On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Murray Moore wrote:

> FM 6.0p405
> XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2
>
> In my book's index, page numbers are appearing under the Symbols 
> heading; 16, 18, 24, etc.
>
> I traced each of these numbers to its source index marker, e.g. one of 
> the page numbers under the Symbols heading, 34, is the A Year Ago This 
> Month button heading on page 34.
>
> On page 34 I deleted and recreated the index marker. But when I updated 
> the book and the index, 34 continues to display under Symbols.
>
> On page 34 I deleted the index marker. I updated the book and the index. 
> Not only does 16 continue to display under Symbols, but A Year Ago This 
> Month 34 continues to display under the A heading.
>
> Our IT Dept. head suggested I might have exceeded the maximum size for a 
> FM file. I do not think so because I have produced thicker books.

Were the source files perhaps originally created in MS word? We've seen 
such markers sourced in word as having a leading and trailing char 020 -- 
it's a non-printing char, but one that FM sees when the index is 
generated (and thus the entry under "Symbols").

About the only way to check (and fix) is to save the doc as MIF, search 
for the text of the affected markers, then check the MIF statements of 
each affected marker for numerical character values that don't belong.

Delete them (careful not to break the structure of the MIF -- check to see 
what a good marker looks like if you're not sure), save the MIF doc, 
reload into FM to convert back to FM binary form (overwrite the original 
FM file), and regen your index.

The problem should then be gone.

Hope that helps.

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
franks at fsatools.com 
TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada):  800-567-6421
USA Voice: 360-892-3970  USA FAX: 360-253-1498
http://www.fsatools.com


When one thing doesn't work, often it seems other things also do not work.

I have saved the chapter two ways:
* File ~> Save As... ~> Save as type MIF (*.mif)
* File ~> Save using Mif2Go...

But neither method has produced a text file, just a copy of the FM file with a 
.mif extension.

/\/\
Murray

Re: No MIF (was Phantom index entries

2006-08-01 Thread Art Campbell 

Hold down Ctrl while you select the .mif to open it in text mode.

Art

On 8/1/06, Frank Stearns <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Murray Moore wrote:




But don't try to open the MIF save in FM, as it will convert it right back
to an FM doc. Use a plain text editor to open the MIF version. (There
might have been a way to prevent FM from doing this auto convert of mif on
open, but durned if I can remember it now.)



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 "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
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Re: No MIF (was Phantom index entries

2006-08-01 Thread Frank Stearns 

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Murray Moore wrote:


When one thing doesn't work, often it seems other things also do not work.

I have saved the chapter two ways:




* File ~> Save As... ~> Save as type MIF (*.mif)

This is the one you want.


But neither method has produced a text file, just a copy of the FM file 
with a .mif extension.


That's odd... the file is actually in binary format? What happens if you 
bring it into a plain text editor, such as wordpad?


If it really is an FM binary, AND you actually did select the save-as mif 
option, something is broken.


But don't try to open the MIF save in FM, as it will convert it right back 
to an FM doc. Use a plain text editor to open the MIF version. (There 
might have been a way to prevent FM from doing this auto convert of mif on 
open, but durned if I can remember it now.)


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No MIF (was Phantom index entries

2006-08-01 Thread Frank Stearns 
On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Murray Moore wrote:

> When one thing doesn't work, often it seems other things also do not work.
>
> I have saved the chapter two ways:


> * File ~> Save As... ~> Save as type MIF (*.mif)
This is the one you want.


> But neither method has produced a text file, just a copy of the FM file 
> with a .mif extension.

That's odd... the file is actually in binary format? What happens if you 
bring it into a plain text editor, such as wordpad?

If it really is an FM binary, AND you actually did select the save-as mif 
option, something is broken.

But don't try to open the MIF save in FM, as it will convert it right back 
to an FM doc. Use a plain text editor to open the MIF version. (There 
might have been a way to prevent FM from doing this auto convert of mif on 
open, but durned if I can remember it now.)

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
franks at fsatools.com 
TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada):  800-567-6421
USA Voice: 360-892-3970  USA FAX: 360-253-1498
http://www.fsatools.com

RE: No MIF (was Phantom index entries

2006-08-01 Thread Murray Moore 
A


/\/\
Murray

-Original Message-
From: Art Campbell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 1:18 PM
To: Murray Moore
Cc: Frank Stearns; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: No MIF (was Phantom index entries


Murray,
What editor are you using to open the .mif?
It should be an ASCII editor such as Notepad/Wordpad, or the text
editor of your choice. Not Frame, or it'll be automagically converted
to the FM format -- MIF is just an ASCII representation of the FM
binary.

Art


On 8/1/06, Murray Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


> When one thing doesn't work, often it seems other things also do not work.
>
> I have saved the chapter two ways:
> * File ~> Save As... ~> Save as type MIF (*.mif)
> * File ~> Save using Mif2Go...
>
> But neither method has produced a text file, just a copy of the FM file with 
> a .mif extension.
>
> /\/\
> Murray
> ___
>

-- 
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  "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
   and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
 No disclaimers apply.
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Re: No MIF (was Phantom index entries

2006-08-01 Thread Art Campbell 

Murray,
What editor are you using to open the .mif?
It should be an ASCII editor such as Notepad/Wordpad, or the text
editor of your choice. Not Frame, or it'll be automagically converted
to the FM format -- MIF is just an ASCII representation of the FM
binary.

Art


On 8/1/06, Murray Moore <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



When one thing doesn't work, often it seems other things also do not work.

I have saved the chapter two ways:
* File ~> Save As... ~> Save as type MIF (*.mif)
* File ~> Save using Mif2Go...

But neither method has produced a text file, just a copy of the FM file with a 
.mif extension.

/\/\
Murray
___



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  and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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No MIF (was Phantom index entries

2006-08-01 Thread Murray Moore 
-Original Message-
From: Frank Stearns [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2006 10:29 AM
To: Murray Moore
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Phantom index entries


On Tue, 1 Aug 2006, Murray Moore wrote:

> FM 6.0p405
> XP Pro Version 2002 Service Pack 2
>
> In my book's index, page numbers are appearing under the Symbols 
> heading; 16, 18, 24, etc.
>
> I traced each of these numbers to its source index marker, e.g. one of 
> the page numbers under the Symbols heading, 34, is the A Year Ago This 
> Month button heading on page 34.
>
> On page 34 I deleted and recreated the index marker. But when I updated 
> the book and the index, 34 continues to display under Symbols.
>
> On page 34 I deleted the index marker. I updated the book and the index. 
> Not only does 16 continue to display under Symbols, but A Year Ago This 
> Month 34 continues to display under the A heading.
>
> Our IT Dept. head suggested I might have exceeded the maximum size for a 
> FM file. I do not think so because I have produced thicker books.

Were the source files perhaps originally created in MS word? We've seen 
such markers sourced in word as having a leading and trailing char 020 -- 
it's a non-printing char, but one that FM sees when the index is 
generated (and thus the entry under "Symbols").

About the only way to check (and fix) is to save the doc as MIF, search 
for the text of the affected markers, then check the MIF statements of 
each affected marker for numerical character values that don't belong.

Delete them (careful not to break the structure of the MIF -- check to see 
what a good marker looks like if you're not sure), save the MIF doc, 
reload into FM to convert back to FM binary form (overwrite the original 
FM file), and regen your index.

The problem should then be gone.

Hope that helps.

Frank Stearns Associates | makers of IXgen(tm) for FrameMaker(r)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
TOLL FREE Voice (USA and Canada):  800-567-6421
USA Voice: 360-892-3970  USA FAX: 360-253-1498
http://www.fsatools.com


When one thing doesn't work, often it seems other things also do not work.

I have saved the chapter two ways:
* File ~> Save As... ~> Save as type MIF (*.mif)
* File ~> Save using Mif2Go...

But neither method has produced a text file, just a copy of the FM file with a 
.mif extension.

/\/\
Murray
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