Printing Thumb Tabs
On 4/19/06, donandjudy1 wrote: > Hi, folks: > > With the help of several stalwart frameusers, I successfully created thumb > tabs along the edge of a version of my fixit book. > However, my inkjet printer won't print close enough to the edge for the tabs > to "bleed." It will create the tabs with the text which can be viewed by > flipping through the book sideways, but they won't show when the book is > closed. Some Inkjets are said to be able to print to the edges, but fot the bleed to show in a closed book, the printing must really go over the edge, so to speak. I have never used the "print to the edge" option, so I cannot say much more about it, but I would suspect that repeated printing over the edge would cause some mess and a serious cleaning job. > > And I know that laser printers require even larger blank margins than > inkjets. So, perhaps this option shouldn't be offered to the on-line > customer without a warning. Or perhaps the tabs should be reformatted to > represent what can be realistically printed. Pity. Well, using Inkjets or lazers, you are usually printing on a Letter size (216x279) mm, or in Europe, A4 (210x297mm), and these sizes are not optimal for printing books. Suitable sheets are more than 8x bigger than that, and are cut after printing to printing marks. Letter size usually ends up loose leaf, and then you can use dividers instead of bleeding tabs. > > I have a vague recollection that, in the recent days when I was ferreting > out the tab formatting problem, someone wrote about the printing > difficulties of bleeding tabs, suggesting larger paper and cutting it > afterwards. But I can't find that e-mail. Furthermore, this doesn't seem > practical when one considers that most folks can only print on longer (14"), > not wider paper. I may be one of the guilty ones here, but refer to my comment above. > > Perhaps bleeding tabs can only be handled by professional printers and > therefore included only in a hard bound version, not a print at home PDF. > True or false? Any suggestions? Mainly true. However... I am guessing from what you write that you are using full Letter size as page size in FM. If you really need that size, there is a possibility that your printer takes envelopes bigger than Letter size. You might try to find a way to set the printer to that size and then fake it to print on same size but single thickness (20-25lb). This would mean that you would have to go to a printshop or someone that can cut a suitable paper to the envelope size. You would preferably print the fm file to ps, setting the distiller/pdf-maker to this size and using printers marks. Then you would have to distill to pdf and print from there. This method, as you may have read many times over on the list, is a very sure fired way of getting the final results right. > > Thanks in advance. > > ~ Don Spencer > ___ > Hope this helps some. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
Re: Printing Thumb Tabs
On 4/19/06, donandjudy1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, folks: > > With the help of several stalwart frameusers, I successfully created thumb > tabs along the edge of a version of my fixit book. > However, my inkjet printer won't print close enough to the edge for the tabs > to "bleed." It will create the tabs with the text which can be viewed by > flipping through the book sideways, but they won't show when the book is > closed. Some Inkjets are said to be able to print to the edges, but fot the bleed to show in a closed book, the printing must really go over the edge, so to speak. I have never used the "print to the edge" option, so I cannot say much more about it, but I would suspect that repeated printing over the edge would cause some mess and a serious cleaning job. > > And I know that laser printers require even larger blank margins than > inkjets. So, perhaps this option shouldn't be offered to the on-line > customer without a warning. Or perhaps the tabs should be reformatted to > represent what can be realistically printed. Pity. Well, using Inkjets or lazers, you are usually printing on a Letter size (216x279) mm, or in Europe, A4 (210x297mm), and these sizes are not optimal for printing books. Suitable sheets are more than 8x bigger than that, and are cut after printing to printing marks. Letter size usually ends up loose leaf, and then you can use dividers instead of bleeding tabs. > > I have a vague recollection that, in the recent days when I was ferreting > out the tab formatting problem, someone wrote about the printing > difficulties of bleeding tabs, suggesting larger paper and cutting it > afterwards. But I can't find that e-mail. Furthermore, this doesn't seem > practical when one considers that most folks can only print on longer (14"), > not wider paper. I may be one of the guilty ones here, but refer to my comment above. > > Perhaps bleeding tabs can only be handled by professional printers and > therefore included only in a hard bound version, not a print at home PDF. > True or false? Any suggestions? Mainly true. However... I am guessing from what you write that you are using full Letter size as page size in FM. If you really need that size, there is a possibility that your printer takes envelopes bigger than Letter size. You might try to find a way to set the printer to that size and then fake it to print on same size but single thickness (20-25lb). This would mean that you would have to go to a printshop or someone that can cut a suitable paper to the envelope size. You would preferably print the fm file to ps, setting the distiller/pdf-maker to this size and using printers marks. Then you would have to distill to pdf and print from there. This method, as you may have read many times over on the list, is a very sure fired way of getting the final results right. > > Thanks in advance. > > ~ Don Spencer > ___ > Hope this helps some. Bodvar Bjorgvinsson ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Printing Thumb Tabs
Yup-- you are pretty much SOL if you want to print bleeding tabs on anything but a professional printer. Even those are usually (99%+ in my experience) printed with the expectation that the pages will be trimmed to a smaller size. I'd leave the tabs in, as they are still useful when flipping thrugh the book (as you noted). If anythin, I'd create a template for a "universal" (A4/US Letter) page, and apply that page to the FM book before creating the PDF, as any user who prints the doc will be printing to that size of paper, and then either stapling or ring binding the output. You could always offer "tab inserts" for an added price, I suppose. Grant -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+grant.hogarth=reuters.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of donandjudy1 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:31 AM To: Framers (E-mail) Subject: Printing Thumb Tabs Hi, folks: With the help of several stalwart frameusers, I successfully created thumb tabs along the edge of a version of my fixit book. However, my inkjet printer won't print close enough to the edge for the tabs to "bleed." It will create the tabs with the text which can be viewed by flipping through the book sideways, but they won't show when the book is closed. And I know that laser printers require even larger blank margins than inkjets. So, perhaps this option shouldn't be offered to the on-line customer without a warning. Or perhaps the tabs should be reformatted to represent what can be realistically printed. Pity. I have a vague recollection that, in the recent days when I was ferreting out the tab formatting problem, someone wrote about the printing difficulties of bleeding tabs, suggesting larger paper and cutting it afterwards. But I can't find that e-mail. Furthermore, this doesn't seem practical when one considers that most folks can only print on longer (14"), not wider paper. Perhaps bleeding tabs can only be handled by professional printers and therefore included only in a hard bound version, not a print at home PDF. True or false? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. ~ Don Spencer
Printing Thumb Tabs
At 10:30 AM -0700 4/19/06, donandjudy1 wrote: >Hi, folks: > >With the help of several stalwart frameusers, I successfully created thumb >tabs along the edge of a version of my fixit book. >However, my inkjet printer won't print close enough to the edge for the tabs >to "bleed." It will create the tabs with the text which can be viewed by >flipping through the book sideways, but they won't show when the book is >closed. Hi, Don: Look thoroughly through your printer's settings and options, especially any labeled "advanced." Some offer the ability to print closer to the edge of the paper with the caution that these edge areas may lose some quality. Also, search your printer-manufacturer's Web site for solutions on printing closer to the edge on your model. There may be a newer printer driver or other workaround. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices
RE: Printing Thumb Tabs
Yup-- you are pretty much SOL if you want to print bleeding tabs on anything but a professional printer. Even those are usually (99%+ in my experience) printed with the expectation that the pages will be trimmed to a smaller size. I'd leave the tabs in, as they are still useful when flipping thrugh the book (as you noted). If anythin, I'd create a template for a "universal" (A4/US Letter) page, and apply that page to the FM book before creating the PDF, as any user who prints the doc will be printing to that size of paper, and then either stapling or ring binding the output. You could always offer "tab inserts" for an added price, I suppose. Grant -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of donandjudy1 Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2006 11:31 AM To: Framers (E-mail) Subject: Printing Thumb Tabs Hi, folks: With the help of several stalwart frameusers, I successfully created thumb tabs along the edge of a version of my fixit book. However, my inkjet printer won't print close enough to the edge for the tabs to "bleed." It will create the tabs with the text which can be viewed by flipping through the book sideways, but they won't show when the book is closed. And I know that laser printers require even larger blank margins than inkjets. So, perhaps this option shouldn't be offered to the on-line customer without a warning. Or perhaps the tabs should be reformatted to represent what can be realistically printed. Pity. I have a vague recollection that, in the recent days when I was ferreting out the tab formatting problem, someone wrote about the printing difficulties of bleeding tabs, suggesting larger paper and cutting it afterwards. But I can't find that e-mail. Furthermore, this doesn't seem practical when one considers that most folks can only print on longer (14"), not wider paper. Perhaps bleeding tabs can only be handled by professional printers and therefore included only in a hard bound version, not a print at home PDF. True or false? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. ~ Don Spencer ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Printing Thumb Tabs
Don Spencer wrote: > Perhaps bleeding tabs can only be handled by professional > printers and therefore included only in a hard bound version, > not a print at home PDF. > True or false? Any suggestions? For all intents and purposes, that's true. Some inkjets let you print "borderless," but it's mostly the more expensive 6-7 color photo printers. All the lasers I know about have a non-printing border. Face it, if you want a professional-looking book, use a professional printer, not some cheap "home office" inkjet. Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
RE: Printing Thumb Tabs
Don Spencer wrote: > Perhaps bleeding tabs can only be handled by professional > printers and therefore included only in a hard bound version, > not a print at home PDF. > True or false? Any suggestions? For all intents and purposes, that's true. Some inkjets let you print "borderless," but it's mostly the more expensive 6-7 color photo printers. All the lasers I know about have a non-printing border. Face it, if you want a professional-looking book, use a professional printer, not some cheap "home office" inkjet. Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 -- ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: Printing Thumb Tabs
Don, > >Perhaps bleeding tabs can only be handled by professional printers and >therefore included only in a hard bound version, not a print at home PDF. >True or false? Any suggestions? > Our department decided to keep the bleeding tabs even on the print at home PDFs so we wouldn't have to maintain two versions of the doc and there wouldn't be a reformatting issue if the doc did go to print production. Glenn ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Printing Thumb Tabs
Don, > >Perhaps bleeding tabs can only be handled by professional printers and >therefore included only in a hard bound version, not a print at home PDF. >True or false? Any suggestions? > Our department decided to keep the bleeding tabs even on the print at home PDFs so we wouldn't have to maintain two versions of the doc and there wouldn't be a reformatting issue if the doc did go to print production. Glenn
Re: Printing Thumb Tabs
At 10:30 AM -0700 4/19/06, donandjudy1 wrote: Hi, folks: With the help of several stalwart frameusers, I successfully created thumb tabs along the edge of a version of my fixit book. However, my inkjet printer won't print close enough to the edge for the tabs to "bleed." It will create the tabs with the text which can be viewed by flipping through the book sideways, but they won't show when the book is closed. Hi, Don: Look thoroughly through your printer's settings and options, especially any labeled "advanced." Some offer the ability to print closer to the edge of the paper with the caution that these edge areas may lose some quality. Also, search your printer-manufacturer's Web site for solutions on printing closer to the edge on your model. There may be a newer printer driver or other workaround. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Printing Thumb Tabs
Hi, folks: With the help of several stalwart frameusers, I successfully created thumb tabs along the edge of a version of my fixit book. However, my inkjet printer won't print close enough to the edge for the tabs to "bleed." It will create the tabs with the text which can be viewed by flipping through the book sideways, but they won't show when the book is closed. And I know that laser printers require even larger blank margins than inkjets. So, perhaps this option shouldn't be offered to the on-line customer without a warning. Or perhaps the tabs should be reformatted to represent what can be realistically printed. Pity. I have a vague recollection that, in the recent days when I was ferreting out the tab formatting problem, someone wrote about the printing difficulties of bleeding tabs, suggesting larger paper and cutting it afterwards. But I can't find that e-mail. Furthermore, this doesn't seem practical when one considers that most folks can only print on longer (14"), not wider paper. Perhaps bleeding tabs can only be handled by professional printers and therefore included only in a hard bound version, not a print at home PDF. True or false? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. ~ Don Spencer ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Printing Thumb Tabs
Hi, folks: With the help of several stalwart frameusers, I successfully created thumb tabs along the edge of a version of my fixit book. However, my inkjet printer won't print close enough to the edge for the tabs to "bleed." It will create the tabs with the text which can be viewed by flipping through the book sideways, but they won't show when the book is closed. And I know that laser printers require even larger blank margins than inkjets. So, perhaps this option shouldn't be offered to the on-line customer without a warning. Or perhaps the tabs should be reformatted to represent what can be realistically printed. Pity. I have a vague recollection that, in the recent days when I was ferreting out the tab formatting problem, someone wrote about the printing difficulties of bleeding tabs, suggesting larger paper and cutting it afterwards. But I can't find that e-mail. Furthermore, this doesn't seem practical when one considers that most folks can only print on longer (14"), not wider paper. Perhaps bleeding tabs can only be handled by professional printers and therefore included only in a hard bound version, not a print at home PDF. True or false? Any suggestions? Thanks in advance. ~ Don Spencer
