Re: FrameMaker and SharePoint
Has anyone looked at or tried Microsoft Visual Studio - Source Control Explorer.The company I am with has adopted Visual Studio as a CMS and it seems to work fine with FrameMaker 12. On Thursday, April 9, 2015 12:58 PM, Scott Turner qui...@airmail.net wrote: SharePoint also has storage capacity issues. It is not a fully capable CVS, it is better at content management. These are are two distinct and separate functions. SharePoint is a sow's ear wanting to be a silk purse as far as CVS functions are concerned. On Apr 8, 2015, at 12:58, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: There's no benefit to integration with a system that can't handle your projects. A lot of SharePoint's claimed capabilities are implemented more as proofs of concept than to meet the actual requirements of real-world use. The 100-file limit tells me that revision control is one of those. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Michael Norton mnor...@openspan.com wrote: ... I can see some benefit in being able to check in and check out files directly from Frame and also update dependent files. With our current system (which is very old) everything is manual. SVN, however, may be an option. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as dspre...@yahoo.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dspreadb%40yahoo.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker and SharePoint
SharePoint also has storage capacity issues. It is not a fully capable CVS, it is better at content management. These are are two distinct and separate functions. SharePoint is a sow's ear wanting to be a silk purse as far as CVS functions are concerned. On Apr 8, 2015, at 12:58, Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com wrote: There's no benefit to integration with a system that can't handle your projects. A lot of SharePoint's claimed capabilities are implemented more as proofs of concept than to meet the actual requirements of real-world use. The 100-file limit tells me that revision control is one of those. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Michael Norton mnor...@openspan.com wrote: ... I can see some benefit in being able to check in and check out files directly from Frame and also update dependent files. With our current system (which is very old) everything is manual. SVN, however, may be an option. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker and SharePoint
Source Control Explorer is a client for Visual Studio Team Foundation Server, Microsoft's source control system. On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 11:04 AM, David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com wrote: Has anyone looked at or tried Microsoft Visual Studio - Source Control Explorer. The company I am with has adopted Visual Studio as a CMS and it seems to work fine with FrameMaker 12. On Thursday, April 9, 2015 12:58 PM, Scott Turner qui...@airmail.net wrote: SharePoint also has storage capacity issues. It is not a fully capable CVS, it is better at content management. These are are two distinct and separate functions. SharePoint is a sow's ear wanting to be a silk purse as far as CVS functions are concerned. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker and SharePoint
Use SVN or Git instead. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 9:37 AM, Michael Norton mnor...@openspan.com wrote: We are moving from an older revision control system (StarTeam) to SharePoint v2013. ... there is a 100 file upload limitation. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker and SharePoint
Sorry to not give you answers to your specific questions, but you may want to consider changing to another system to make it simple. I believe that with a small number of users, free on-line versions of Git hosted solutions are perhaps the best way to go. For example, check out Github (www.github.comhttp://www.github.com) and BitBucket (www.bitbucket.orghttp://www.bitbucket.org) - BitBucket is free for up to 5 users with unlimited repositories (no file limits). Here is a comparison of various Git hosting sites: www.git-tower.com/blog/git-hosting-services-compared/http://www.git-tower.com/blog/git-hosting-services-compared/ Z From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Michael Norton Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2015 9:37 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and SharePoint We are moving from an older revision control system (StarTeam) to SharePoint v2013. We are using unstructured Frame and will mainly use SharePoint as a repository for our Frame, RoboHelp, Word, and associated graphics files. We are currently on FrameMaker v10, but will be moving to v12 soon. I have the connection set up in CMS | Configuration Manager and it seems to be working OK, VPN willing. Any words to the wise from people who have already done this? Our needs are pretty basic - IT wants us off StarTeam and we just want an accessible repository that a small number of writers (1-3) can easily get to. So far, it seems a little slower than StarTeam and there is a 100 file upload limitation. Several of our books have more than 100 referenced graphics files. SharePoint doesn't seem to want to let me drag and drop folders, only files. This will make for a tedious transition, unless I can find a way around this limitation. Michael Norton | Lead Technical Writer ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker and SharePoint
Hi Zaeem, Thanks for replying. I'll look at these comparisons, but I fear the PTB are pushing this change. I'm not sure Doc will be allowed to go a separate way. I can see some benefit in being able to check in and check out files directly from Frame and also update dependent files. With our current system (which is very old) everything is manual. SVN, however, may be an option. From: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net) [mailto:syed.hos...@aeris.net] Sorry to not give you answers to your specific questions, but you may want to consider changing to another system to make it simple. I believe that with a small number of users, free on-line versions of Git hosted solutions are perhaps the best way to go. For example, check out Github (www.github.comhttp://www.github.com) and BitBucket (www.bitbucket.orghttp://www.bitbucket.org) - BitBucket is free for up to 5 users with unlimited repositories (no file limits). Here is a comparison of various Git hosting sites: www.git-tower.com/blog/git-hosting-services-compared/http://www.git-tower.com/blog/git-hosting-services-compared/ Z Michael Norton | Lead Technical Writer ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FrameMaker and SharePoint
There's no benefit to integration with a system that can't handle your projects. A lot of SharePoint's claimed capabilities are implemented more as proofs of concept than to meet the actual requirements of real-world use. The 100-file limit tells me that revision control is one of those. On Wed, Apr 8, 2015 at 10:46 AM, Michael Norton mnor...@openspan.com wrote: ... I can see some benefit in being able to check in and check out files directly from Frame and also update dependent files. With our current system (which is very old) everything is manual. SVN, however, may be an option. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker and SharePoint
Hello Lester I used SharePoint in a previous life. No problems with it as regards FrameMaekr, except that: 1. Version control for FM binaries consists of storing copies, not diffs. 2. If I remember correctly, SharePoint does not search the content of FM files (though it does Office documents and PDF, I believe). 3. There is a cryptic error message that pops up when file paths exceed 255 characters, so don't nest your files too deeply and keep folder/file names short. Hope this helps. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and SharePoint Is anyone using SharePoint with FrameMaker documents? I would like to hear about your experiences, problems, 'gotchas' and so on. Thank in advance for any info. - Lester Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com http://www.infocon.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%40tvworks.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker and SharePoint
I think many Content Management systems have problems in 'diffing' binary files, so they don't try - they just save complete copies with each 'change'. We previously used Documentum/FrameLink and that was how that system operated also. We have recently installed SharePoint in our company and I have just started playing around with it. I checked in a whole (unstructured) book, along with a graphics sub-folder. If I check out the book only, the version increments. I can then edit the book by clicking on it in Sharepoint. I can then open the chapters etc normally - just as if they were on a conventional file server. Cross references and referenced graphics work normally. If I change a chapter file, SharePoint recognizes that and checks the chapter file out. However, it does not increment the chapter version then or when I check it back in. Effectively the checkout/checkin operation just becomes a flag and the system behaves like a 'dumb' file server. If you want the chapters to version, then you have to check them out first, Regards, Micheal O'Laoghaire BSS Line of Product Documentation Comverse Inc. Cambridge, MA. Tel: (617) 273-5414 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shuttleworth, Roger Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:54 AM To: Lester C. Smalley; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: FrameMaker and SharePoint Hello Lester I used SharePoint in a previous life. No problems with it as regards FrameMaker, except that: 1. Version control for FM binaries consists of storing copies, not diffs. 2. If I remember correctly, SharePoint does not search the content of FM files (though it does Office documents and PDF, I believe). 3. There is a cryptic error message that pops up when file paths exceed 255 characters, so don't nest your files too deeply and keep folder/file names short. Hope this helps. Roger Shuttleworth London, Canada -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and SharePoint Is anyone using SharePoint with FrameMaker documents? I would like to hear about your experiences, problems, 'gotchas' and so on. Thank in advance for any info. - Lester Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com http://www.infocon.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink .net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/roger_shuttleworth%4 0tvworks.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/micheal.olaoghaire%4 0comverse.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FrameMaker and SharePoint
We use Sharepoint to publish the PDFs but not to store the source files. We use StarTeam for that. No problems with either. Diane Gaskill Hitachi Data Systems === -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lester C. Smalley Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2008 7:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: FrameMaker and SharePoint Is anyone using SharePoint with FrameMaker documents? I would like to hear about your experiences, problems, 'gotchas' and so on. Thank in advance for any info. - Lester Lester C. Smalley Email: lsmalley AT infocon DOT com Information Consultants, Inc. Phone: 302-239-2942 FAX: 302-239-1712 Yorklyn, DE 19736 Web: www.infocon.com http://www.infocon.com/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/dgcaller%40earthlink.net Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
