Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-06 Thread Michael Müller-Hillebrand
Am 04.08.2010 um 07:51 schrieb Steve Johnson: And all the people who report bugs with Frame 9 are lying? Steve, No, they aren't. But some perceived bugs are (only) limitations of the software. Have they finally fixed the issue where you can't use cross-reference in text insets? This is a

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-06 Thread Bill Swallow
And all the people who report bugs with Frame 9 are lying? Steve, No, they aren't. But some perceived bugs are (only) limitations of the software. Right on, Michael. And likewise, some limitations are only roadblocks for a select few. I try to look for alternative solutions whenever

Re: RANT: FM 9.0

2010-08-06 Thread Chris Despopoulos
Bill says: If you get creative with your authoring approach you can handle most anything, and for everything else there's the API and wonderful tools like FrameScript and IXGen. If you have found a way to control pods and windows via the FDK, please let me know! I'm desperate! cud

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-05 Thread Steve Johnson
And all the people who report bugs with Frame 9 are lying? Have they finally fixed the issue where you can't use cross-reference in text insets? Have they fixed text insets so they don't bleed into the following paragraph? Ah, not to worry. As long as the pods are up all is well in the world.

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-04 Thread Mike Wickham
And all the people who report bugs with Frame 9 are lying? Lying? Who called anyone a liar? I didn't even say that FM9 was bug free. It isn't. I merely commented that the FM team has made real changes that all users can take advantage of, rather than minor changes useful to only the DITA

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-04 Thread Mike Wickham
Sorry, I'm retransmitting this for clarity because some of my text was inadvertently set as quoteback of another person's message, instead of as my own. I'm not sure what happened. And all the people who report bugs with Frame 9 are lying? Lying? Who called anyone a liar? I didn't even say

RE: RANT: FM 9.0

2010-08-04 Thread Chris Despopoulos
My fundamental problem is that the new windowing model isn't properly exposed in the API. Also, it has some problems. Open a book, then open all files in book. Especially if it has many files, you get funny results -- the document windows nest within each other. I've raised this issue a

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Bill Swallow
Can these behavior be changed. I do not want dialogs to be persistent. I do not want the Not Applicable element as the first in any selectable list. I don't know. You may need to take some time to wade through maker.ini and see if there's anything in there that can be changed. IMHO, the

RE: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHDB
9.0 - I was cranky about it at first, but I got used to it. Nadine --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Swallow techcommd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: RANT: FM 9.0 - To: Venkat venkat.par...@gmail.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Date: Tuesday, August 3

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Shmuel Wolfson
Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: RANT: FM 9.0 - I was cranky about it at first, but I got used to it. Nadine --- On Tue, 8/3/10, Bill Swallowtechcommd...@gmail.com wrote: From: Bill Swallowtechcommd...@gmail.com Subject: Re: RANT: FM 9.0 - To: Venkatvenkat.par...@gmail.com Cc

RE: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHDB
@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: RANT: FM 9.0 - By menu-to-ribbon, are you referring to Word? If yes, click on this link, then click Start the guide: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/word-help/interactive-word-2003-to-wor d-2007-command-reference-guide-HA010074432.aspx Regards, Shmuel Wolfson Technical

RE: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Sharon Burton
And speaking as a 40-mumbley-aged person, the contrast of the black text on the grey interface sucks, even with my reading glasses. I hate playing with all the pods that fly about. I don't like the focus changing unexpectedly, I just dislike having to pay so much attention to my interface, as it

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Bill Swallow
I wouldn't say it's hard to use, but it certainly is difficult to use efficiently. As you say, pods are everywhere. I am constantly hiding and changing the docking location for ones I use regularly because they are always in the way of the authoring area. The tool should not get in the way of the

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread jdeland1
Speaking as a newbie, but also more than 40 years old, I really like the interface. The black on gray makes the menus and such usable but unobtrusive, and I like the fact that I can control the illumination. It's still hard to learn (I made a few stabs with FM8), but seems much improved to me.

RE: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHDB
To: Butler, Darren J CTR USAF AFMC 584 CBSS/GBHDB; generic...@yahoo.ca; venkat.par...@gmail.com; techcommd...@gmail.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: RE: RANT: FM 9.0 - Darren Butler wrote: Why Adobe would want to emulate Microsoft is beyond me. What's next, a dancing paper clip

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Alan T Litchfield
Yo, On 4/08/2010, at 6:59 AM, Fred Ridder wrote: Their intent was to emulate other *Adobe* apps with floating toolbars and dockable dialogs. Over the years, Adobe had made only small changes to the original circa 1990 user interface that they bought from Frame Technologies in 1995, and

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Bill Swallow
I'll buy that argument, but some consideration for those using it even before the Adobe years would have been nice. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:03 PM, jdela...@comcast.net wrote: Maybe they designed 9 to accommodate new users better. -- Bill Swallow Twitter: @techcommdood Blog:

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Mike Wickham
And yes, the lack of contrast in the UI itself makes the UI a bit difficult to stare at and read, but that appears to be an Adobe thing because RoboHelp is the same way, only brighter. There is some adjustment that's possible: File Preferences Interface UI Brightness. There is also a third

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Steve Johnson
You should post this where it has a chance of doing some good, on the Adobe forum. My understanding is that Frame 9 was developed entirely overseas, safely away from anyone who might give them adverse but useful feedback. It's a big company thing to do: play up the window dressing without fussing

Re: RANT: FM 9.0 -

2010-08-03 Thread Mike Wickham
You should post this where it has a chance of doing some good, on the Adobe forum. My understanding is that Frame 9 was developed entirely overseas, safely away from anyone who might give them adverse but useful feedback. It's a big company thing to do: play up the window dressing without