RTF to framemaker: importing a Word file into a Frame template
I don't know where I've been, but this business about importing the Word file into an existing Frame file/template was an incredible insight for me. As a quick trial I created a word template that has the same style names we use in the Frame template. I then opened the Frame template, chose File > Import > File..., selected the desired .doc file, selected the Copy into Document radio button, and pressed Import. In the Unknown File Type dialog that appeared, I chose Microsoft Word (it was the default selection), and pressed Convert. In the Import Text Flow by Copy dialog, I checked the Body Page Flow and Reformat Using Current Document's Catalogs, and also checked the Remove Manual Page breaks and Other Overrides checkboxes. The result was a VERY clean Frame document nicely formatted according to our Frame template. It looks like graphics were created and I think embedded, and while they look not too bad, you might want to save them out another way from the Word doc and then reimport them by reference. In my example, tables came out as tables, but not in the table format I usually use. In Frame I converted the tables to text and then back to table to get the table format I wanted. Still, for a 15 minute trial, I was very impressed by this method! By the way, I am using Frame 7.2. Paul -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+paul.inbar=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+paul.inbar=intel@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:49 AM To: Matt Sullivan; Framers List Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker What do you mean when you say "import the doc into a Frame template" Can you explain more fully? Caroline?Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer ??? Fax: +972 3 6474681 Email:?? caroline at radcom.com www.radcom.com www.protocols.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:19 PM To: 'Framers List' Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker I don't use the RTF to Frame filter, but instead import the .doc into a Frame template to eliminate the "generic" master pages and catalogs created when using Frame to "open" the doc directly. The resulting Word import filter does a fine job of importing, but doesn't address inconsistencies and workarounds in the Word file. Result: -Graphics and tables often require manipulation -Paragraph format overrides from Word still need to be addressed -The Find/Change gets heavy usage to correct duplicated autonumbering (Much of Word's autonumbering is treated as content rather than formatting) I tell folks requiring conversion that the cost of the conversion lies mainly in developing appropriate templates, and in addressing the Word author's lack of consistency. -Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training, Inc. An Adobe Authorized Training Center www.grafixtraining.com 888 882-2819 -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM To: Dov Isaacs; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker Hi all, Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame. Especially the RTF to FM filter. It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM. It would have made the job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us. Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there from Word. Diane -Original Message- From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:isa...@adobe.com] Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:55 AM To: Rick Quatro; Diane Gaskill; framers at FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker (1) There are "a lot of people within Adobe" who don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either! (2) Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign "converter" at least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of these programs understand the problems of trying to do such reverse engineering of a PDF file. PDF is a "final form" document format. It does not have the context of the graphical objects it represents. At best, if you produce a "tagged" PDF, a "converter" can make some guesses as to the original document structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables, but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability as well as the third party products out there try to make good guesses as the origina
RE: RTF to framemaker: importing a Word file into a Frame template
Thanks for the response! That's one of the things we'd teach in our Frame Expert's class (which, sadly, never has enough folks to run anymore) I'm sure Caroline appreciated the unabbreviated version as well. Nice catch on the Remove Overides checkbox. That's what removes most of Word's autonumbering, and eliminates the manual Find/Change needed to remove what I call "Formatting as Content" -Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training, Inc. An Adobe Authorized Training Center www.grafixtraining.com 888 882-2819 -Original Message- From: Inbar, Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:43 AM To: Caroline Tabach; Matt Sullivan; Framers List Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker: importing a Word file into a Frame template I don't know where I've been, but this business about importing the Word file into an existing Frame file/template was an incredible insight for me. As a quick trial I created a word template that has the same style names we use in the Frame template. I then opened the Frame template, chose File > Import > File..., selected the desired .doc file, selected the Copy into Document radio button, and pressed Import. In the Unknown File Type dialog that appeared, I chose Microsoft Word (it was the default selection), and pressed Convert. In the Import Text Flow by Copy dialog, I checked the Body Page Flow and Reformat Using Current Document's Catalogs, and also checked the Remove Manual Page breaks and Other Overrides checkboxes. The result was a VERY clean Frame document nicely formatted according to our Frame template. It looks like graphics were created and I think embedded, and while they look not too bad, you might want to save them out another way from the Word doc and then reimport them by reference. In my example, tables came out as tables, but not in the table format I usually use. In Frame I converted the tables to text and then back to table to get the table format I wanted. Still, for a 15 minute trial, I was very impressed by this method! By the way, I am using Frame 7.2. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:49 AM To: Matt Sullivan; Framers List Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker What do you mean when you say "import the doc into a Frame template" Can you explain more fully? Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer Fax: +972 3 6474681 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.radcom.com www.protocols.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:19 PM To: 'Framers List' Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker I don't use the RTF to Frame filter, but instead import the .doc into a Frame template to eliminate the "generic" master pages and catalogs created when using Frame to "open" the doc directly. The resulting Word import filter does a fine job of importing, but doesn't address inconsistencies and workarounds in the Word file. Result: -Graphics and tables often require manipulation -Paragraph format overrides from Word still need to be addressed -The Find/Change gets heavy usage to correct duplicated autonumbering (Much of Word's autonumbering is treated as content rather than formatting) I tell folks requiring conversion that the cost of the conversion lies mainly in developing appropriate templates, and in addressing the Word author's lack of consistency. -Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training, Inc. An Adobe Authorized Training Center www.grafixtraining.com 888 882-2819 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM To: Dov Isaacs; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker Hi all, Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame. Especially the RTF to FM filter. It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM. It would have made the job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us. Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there from Word. Diane ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RTF to framemaker: importing a Word file into a Frame template
Thanks for the response! That's one of the things we'd teach in our Frame Expert's class (which, sadly, never has enough folks to run anymore) I'm sure Caroline appreciated the unabbreviated version as well. Nice catch on the Remove Overides checkbox. That's what removes most of Word's autonumbering, and eliminates the manual Find/Change needed to remove what I call "Formatting as Content" -Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training, Inc. An Adobe Authorized Training Center www.grafixtraining.com 888 882-2819 -Original Message- From: Inbar, Paul [mailto:paul.in...@intel.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 1:43 AM To: Caroline Tabach; Matt Sullivan; Framers List Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker: importing a Word file into a Frame template I don't know where I've been, but this business about importing the Word file into an existing Frame file/template was an incredible insight for me. As a quick trial I created a word template that has the same style names we use in the Frame template. I then opened the Frame template, chose File > Import > File..., selected the desired .doc file, selected the Copy into Document radio button, and pressed Import. In the Unknown File Type dialog that appeared, I chose Microsoft Word (it was the default selection), and pressed Convert. In the Import Text Flow by Copy dialog, I checked the Body Page Flow and Reformat Using Current Document's Catalogs, and also checked the Remove Manual Page breaks and Other Overrides checkboxes. The result was a VERY clean Frame document nicely formatted according to our Frame template. It looks like graphics were created and I think embedded, and while they look not too bad, you might want to save them out another way from the Word doc and then reimport them by reference. In my example, tables came out as tables, but not in the table format I usually use. In Frame I converted the tables to text and then back to table to get the table format I wanted. Still, for a 15 minute trial, I was very impressed by this method! By the way, I am using Frame 7.2. Paul -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+paul.inbar=intel@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+paul.inbar=intel.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:49 AM To: Matt Sullivan; Framers List Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker What do you mean when you say "import the doc into a Frame template" Can you explain more fully? Caroline?Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer ??? Fax: +972 3 6474681 Email:?? caroline at radcom.com www.radcom.com www.protocols.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+caroline=radcom@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+caroline=radcom.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:19 PM To: 'Framers List' Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker I don't use the RTF to Frame filter, but instead import the .doc into a Frame template to eliminate the "generic" master pages and catalogs created when using Frame to "open" the doc directly. The resulting Word import filter does a fine job of importing, but doesn't address inconsistencies and workarounds in the Word file. Result: -Graphics and tables often require manipulation -Paragraph format overrides from Word still need to be addressed -The Find/Change gets heavy usage to correct duplicated autonumbering (Much of Word's autonumbering is treated as content rather than formatting) I tell folks requiring conversion that the cost of the conversion lies mainly in developing appropriate templates, and in addressing the Word author's lack of consistency. -Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training, Inc. An Adobe Authorized Training Center www.grafixtraining.com 888 882-2819 -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+matt=grafixtraining.com at lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM To: Dov Isaacs; Rick Quatro; framers at FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker Hi all, Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame. Especially the RTF to FM filter. It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM. It would have made the job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us. Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there from Word. Diane
RE: RTF to framemaker: importing a Word file into a Frame template
I don't know where I've been, but this business about importing the Word file into an existing Frame file/template was an incredible insight for me. As a quick trial I created a word template that has the same style names we use in the Frame template. I then opened the Frame template, chose File > Import > File..., selected the desired .doc file, selected the Copy into Document radio button, and pressed Import. In the Unknown File Type dialog that appeared, I chose Microsoft Word (it was the default selection), and pressed Convert. In the Import Text Flow by Copy dialog, I checked the Body Page Flow and Reformat Using Current Document's Catalogs, and also checked the Remove Manual Page breaks and Other Overrides checkboxes. The result was a VERY clean Frame document nicely formatted according to our Frame template. It looks like graphics were created and I think embedded, and while they look not too bad, you might want to save them out another way from the Word doc and then reimport them by reference. In my example, tables came out as tables, but not in the table format I usually use. In Frame I converted the tables to text and then back to table to get the table format I wanted. Still, for a 15 minute trial, I was very impressed by this method! By the way, I am using Frame 7.2. Paul -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Tabach Sent: Tuesday, January 16, 2007 10:49 AM To: Matt Sullivan; Framers List Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker What do you mean when you say "import the doc into a Frame template" Can you explain more fully? Caroline Tabach Technical/Marcom Writer Fax: +972 3 6474681 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.radcom.com www.protocols.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matt Sullivan Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 8:19 PM To: 'Framers List' Subject: RE: RTF to framemaker I don't use the RTF to Frame filter, but instead import the .doc into a Frame template to eliminate the "generic" master pages and catalogs created when using Frame to "open" the doc directly. The resulting Word import filter does a fine job of importing, but doesn't address inconsistencies and workarounds in the Word file. Result: -Graphics and tables often require manipulation -Paragraph format overrides from Word still need to be addressed -The Find/Change gets heavy usage to correct duplicated autonumbering (Much of Word's autonumbering is treated as content rather than formatting) I tell folks requiring conversion that the cost of the conversion lies mainly in developing appropriate templates, and in addressing the Word author's lack of consistency. -Matt Sullivan GRAFIX Training, Inc. An Adobe Authorized Training Center www.grafixtraining.com 888 882-2819 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Diane Gaskill Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:29 PM To: Dov Isaacs; Rick Quatro; framers@FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker Hi all, Speaking of converters, I was wondering if Adobe might ever consider fixing up the RTF to FM and FM to RTF filters that come with Frame. Especially the RTF to FM filter. It would be SO helpful to companies like mine who are about to convert their docsets, including many large manuals (up to 800 pages, believe it or not) from Word to FM. It would have made the job of convincing management a lot easier to switch to Frame if we didn't have to pay an outside vendor to do this for us. Seems like it would be a profitable thing to do, considering that more companies would be likely to by Frame if they had an easy way to get there from Word. Diane -Original Message- From: Dov Isaacs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 9:55 AM To: Rick Quatro; Diane Gaskill; framers@FrameUsers.com Subject: RE: PDF to framemaker (1) There are "a lot of people within Adobe" who don't know what Dreamweaver or Contribute are either! (2) Actually, there is NOT much demand for a PDF to FrameMaker or even a PDF to InDesign "converter" at least as expressed directly to Adobe. Most users of these programs understand the problems of trying to do such reverse engineering of a PDF file. PDF is a "final form" document format. It does not have the context of the graphical objects it represents. At best, if you produce a "tagged" PDF, a "converter" can make some guesses as to the original document structure in terms of sentences, paragraphs, and tables, but not much more. The Acrobat save-as-RTF capability as well as the third party products out there try to make good guesses as the original formatting, but that is about the best they can do. Very little context of a FrameMaker or InDesign document remains in the resultant PDF file, so any attempt to go back to those formats is somewhat doomed. If we were to supply "converters" back to those formats, user
