Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 9
Perhaps you could also remember not to Reply to the Digest, so we don't receive it twice, please? Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 5:54 PM Tarlochan S. Nahal wrote: > Dear Framers, > > Sorry, the cartoon image (sumo wrestlers Framaker vs. Interleaf) that I had > attached, did not go through. I will be happy to email it you if you send > me an email. > > Thanks > > Tarlochan S. Nahal > tnaha...@gmail.com > > > > On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:19 PM > wrote: > > > Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You > > can reach the person managing the list at > > framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your > > Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers > > digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Re: Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8 (Tarlochan S. Nahal) > >2. Re: cartoon (Craig Ede) > >3. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Robert Lauriston) > >4. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (jackdel...@comcast.net) > >5. Re: Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8 (Peter Gold) > >6. Please change subject line for digest posts and trim them > > (Carol J. Elkins) > >7. FrameMaker User Groups WAS: Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue > > 8 (Craig Ede) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 11:32:49 -0700 > > From: "Tarlochan S. Nahal" > > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8 > > Message-ID: > > > 1wmvspqeqgb_sptk0e8...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > My nostalgia goes further back! > > > > As many of you might know there was another heavy-weight technical > > publishing tool called Interleaf. I really liked it and had a much better > > graphic tool when FrameMaker was not even able to create a "dotted line," > > but it practically disappeared by the mid-1990s. There might still be > some > > licenses floating around, especially with some defense contractors. > > > > FrameMaker was coming strong in the early 1990s and Interleaf was losing > > steam fairly rapidly. Why? Well, Interleaf started to dilly-dally on > > customer service and won't pick phone calls if anyone had any problems > with > > installation or usage. It was a great software, but it failed to keep up > > with customer demands. Sometimes I feel the same way about FrameMaker > > today. Why doesn't the installation link always work? Why do you have to > > spend hours on the phone with customer service to get it going? Why don't > > they have user group meetings in the local high tech companies once in a > > month as they did in the 1990s? It was great way to get real customer > > feedback from people who are the actual users and front-line warriors. > They > > almost mishandled DITA and abdicated their responsibility to XML DITA, > etc. > > As a result, Adobe lost a significant market share to other vendors. In > > spite of all that I have been a loyal user of FrameMaker for decades. > > > > Anyway, I share with you a cartoon in the form of two sumo wrestlers > that > > I asked a friend of mine Bill Bergman to make for me in 1992. Please > enjoy. > > > > > > Regards, > > > > Tarlochan Nahal > > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 2:19 PM > > wrote: > > > > > Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit > > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You > > > can reach the person managing the list at > > > framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your > > > Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers > > > digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > > >1. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Jerilynne Knight) > > >2. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Peter Gold) > > >3. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Jerilynne Knight) > > >4. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Peter Gold) > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Message: 1 > > > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:33:46 -0400 > > > From: Jerilynne Knight > > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > > > > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 > > > Message-ID: > > > > > kbdboca0atg-nc+x...@mail.gmail.com> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > > > Oh wowser Mark...I forgot about the Gem envir
Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 9
Dear Framers, Sorry, the cartoon image (sumo wrestlers Framaker vs. Interleaf) that I had attached, did not go through. I will be happy to email it you if you send me an email. Thanks Tarlochan S. Nahal tnaha...@gmail.com On Thu, Apr 9, 2020 at 2:19 PM wrote: > Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com > To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You > can reach the person managing the list at > framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your > Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers > digest..." > > Today's Topics: > >1. Re: Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8 (Tarlochan S. Nahal) >2. Re: cartoon (Craig Ede) >3. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Robert Lauriston) >4. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (jackdel...@comcast.net) >5. Re: Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8 (Peter Gold) >6. Please change subject line for digest posts and trim them > (Carol J. Elkins) >7. FrameMaker User Groups WAS: Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue > 8 (Craig Ede) > > > -- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2020 11:32:49 -0700 > From: "Tarlochan S. Nahal" > To: framers@lists.frameusers.com > Subject: Re: [Framers] Framers Digest, Vol 169, Issue 8 > Message-ID: > 1wmvspqeqgb_sptk0e8...@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > My nostalgia goes further back! > > As many of you might know there was another heavy-weight technical > publishing tool called Interleaf. I really liked it and had a much better > graphic tool when FrameMaker was not even able to create a "dotted line," > but it practically disappeared by the mid-1990s. There might still be some > licenses floating around, especially with some defense contractors. > > FrameMaker was coming strong in the early 1990s and Interleaf was losing > steam fairly rapidly. Why? Well, Interleaf started to dilly-dally on > customer service and won't pick phone calls if anyone had any problems with > installation or usage. It was a great software, but it failed to keep up > with customer demands. Sometimes I feel the same way about FrameMaker > today. Why doesn't the installation link always work? Why do you have to > spend hours on the phone with customer service to get it going? Why don't > they have user group meetings in the local high tech companies once in a > month as they did in the 1990s? It was great way to get real customer > feedback from people who are the actual users and front-line warriors. They > almost mishandled DITA and abdicated their responsibility to XML DITA, etc. > As a result, Adobe lost a significant market share to other vendors. In > spite of all that I have been a loyal user of FrameMaker for decades. > > Anyway, I share with you a cartoon in the form of two sumo wrestlers that > I asked a friend of mine Bill Bergman to make for me in 1992. Please enjoy. > > > Regards, > > Tarlochan Nahal > > > > On Wed, Apr 8, 2020 at 2:19 PM > wrote: > > > Send Framers mailing list submissions to framers@lists.frameusers.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe, visit > > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com You > > can reach the person managing the list at > > framers-ow...@lists.frameusers.com When replying, please edit your > > Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Framers > > digest..." > > > > Today's Topics: > > > >1. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Jerilynne Knight) > >2. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Peter Gold) > >3. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Jerilynne Knight) > >4. Re: Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 (Peter Gold) > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:33:46 -0400 > > From: Jerilynne Knight > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia - was Re: FrameMaker 2015 > > Message-ID: > > > kbdboca0atg-nc+x...@mail.gmail.com> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > > > Oh wowser Mark...I forgot about the Gem environment! And I remember that > > DOS-based machine...had one of them! > > > > J > > > > > > On Tue, Apr 7, 2020 at 2:42 PM Mark Soiseth > > wrote: > > > > > I got a job with a company who used Ventura on the GEM environment. It > > > allowed me to shoot myself in the foot so easily. But, once I learned > how > > > to apply the rules, etc., I was amazed. And this was on DOS-based > > machines > > > with a 8086 chip and only 640 kb of RAM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2020 21:01:22 -0500 > > From: Peter Gold > > To: "An email list for people using Adobe FrameMaker software." > > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] Nostalgia
