Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
Blind guess, without reading rest of thread yet: full font embedding?
Original Message
Subject: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
From: Lin Sims <[1]ljsims...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, May 05, 2016 2:43 pm
To: Frame Users <[2]framers@lists.frameusers.com>, TECHWR-L
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Pertinents:
Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
FrameMaker 12, latest patch
Visio 2013
I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
just
blowing up the Frame file size.
Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
Visio file: 150,011
SVG file: 15,830
I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
somewhat
similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
diagram
should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
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Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
Another possibility is that SVG doesn't include a preview (I don't know -- format never interested me), but if so, FM may be creating one, which may account for the size increase. Might try saving the Visio as PNG and importing that to see what happens; it's generally a great all purpose format. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > Pertinents: > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 > FrameMaker 12, latest patch > Visio 2013 > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just > blowing up the Frame file size. > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 > > Visio file: 150,011 > SVG file: 15,830 > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
I haven't encountered it, but crop and modify PDFs all the time in Photoshop. I believe there's also a cropping tool in the full version of Acrobat. Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Craig, Alison wrote: > > Can you use PDF or EPS? > > I saved Visio drawings to PDF for years and imported them by reference > into Frame with absolutely no problem. Then I had to upgrade to Visio 2013 > and now I can't get properly sized PDFs out of Visio. > > There is always some extra white space around the drawing even though that > white space doesn't exist in the Visio file (I use the "Fit to Drawing" > option with all Visio margins set to 0). > > If anyone else has encountered this problem and has a fix, I'd love to > hear it. > > Alison > > > -Original Message- > From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig= > bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston > Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 12:15 PM > To: Lin Sims; TECHWR-L Writing; Frame Users > Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston > > > > wrote: > >> > >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like > >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support. > >> > >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF > >> worked the best. > >> > >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by > >> copying"). I always import by reference. > >> > >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > >> > Pertinents: > >> > > >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12, > >> > latest patch Visio 2013 > >> > > >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that > >> > is just blowing up the Frame file size. > >> > > >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 > >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 > >> > > >> > Visio file: 150,011 > >> > SVG file: 15,830 > >> > > >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the > >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A > >> > somewhat similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG > >> > (34,688) files sizes only increases the Frame file size to > >> > 1,207,296. > >> > > >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple > >> > diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file > >> > size? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage > at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
> Can you use PDF or EPS? I saved Visio drawings to PDF for years and imported them by reference into Frame with absolutely no problem. Then I had to upgrade to Visio 2013 and now I can't get properly sized PDFs out of Visio. There is always some extra white space around the drawing even though that white space doesn't exist in the Visio file (I use the "Fit to Drawing" option with all Visio margins set to 0). If anyone else has encountered this problem and has a fix, I'd love to hear it. Alison -Original Message- From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 12:15 PM To: Lin Sims; TECHWR-L Writing; Frame Users Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston > > wrote: >> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support. >> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF >> worked the best. >> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by >> copying"). I always import by reference. >> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims wrote: >> > Pertinents: >> > >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12, >> > latest patch Visio 2013 >> > >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that >> > is just blowing up the Frame file size. >> > >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 >> > >> > Visio file: 150,011 >> > SVG file: 15,830 >> > >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A >> > somewhat similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG >> > (34,688) files sizes only increases the Frame file size to >> > 1,207,296. >> > >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple >> > diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file >> > size? > > > > > -- > Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
The choice of SVG is also because of the proposed switch to DITA, because it scales whereas PNG doesn't, and also there is at least one group in the company that runs scripts against the files for auditing purposes. They can read the text in an SVG (or PDF) but not in a PNG graphic. And as I said a little while ago, the conversion from Visio to PDF resulted in a graphic that imported to Frame with no bloating issues. It's just weird that the one graphic is doing this. I have, literally, hundreds of images that were created and imported the same way, and none of them are causing this kind of inflation. I'm leaning towards a corrupt Visio file, and I may redraw it at some point to see if that makes a difference. Thanks all for the help. Sometimes you just need to bounce the idea off others to get a grip on what's going on. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain wrote: > SVG is a vector format - very efficient, but needs to be rasterized for > printing and display purposes. Usually converted on the fly (when > output/printed) by tools that properly work with SVG. > > It is possible that FrameMaker creates bit-mapped images at the point of > _importing_ the SVG - i.e., without keeping it in vector form. > > Then, depending on the dpi, combined with the size of the image, etc., > this may be resulting in a large image being brought in. > > Could also be that there is some inefficiency/bugginess in the SVG->bitmap > conversion process in FrameMaker. > > Can you save the file as a PNG or PDF from Visio rather than SVG? > FrameMaker may handle it better. > > > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format > > PDF are PNG are also public formats. Maybe you can talk to the people > maintaining the corporate standards? > > Z > > BTW, a side-bar: _never_ use JPEG for business graphics, screen captures, > line drawings, etc. ... you will hate the resulting dots and artifacts in > the JPEG image! I always use PNG for these kinds of "images". > > > -Original Message- > > From: Framers [mailto:framers- > > bounces+syed.hosain=aeris@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin > > Sims > > Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:04 PM > > To: Robert Lauriston > > Cc: Frame Users ; TECHWR-L Writing > > > > Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size > > > > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format. > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated > thanks to being bought by another corporation. > > > > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the > same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different. > > > > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference. > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston > wrote: > > > > > Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like > a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support. > > > > > > I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF > worked the best. > > > > > > I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by > copying"). I always import by reference. > > > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims > wrote: Pertinents: > > > > > > > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12, > latest patch Visio 2013 > > > > > > > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is > just blowing up the Frame file size. > > > > > > > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 > > > > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 > > > > > > > > Visio file: 150,011 > > > > SVG file: 15,830 > > > > > > > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. > > > > > > > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple > diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
SVG is a vector format - very efficient, but needs to be rasterized for printing and display purposes. Usually converted on the fly (when output/printed) by tools that properly work with SVG. It is possible that FrameMaker creates bit-mapped images at the point of _importing_ the SVG - i.e., without keeping it in vector form. Then, depending on the dpi, combined with the size of the image, etc., this may be resulting in a large image being brought in. Could also be that there is some inefficiency/bugginess in the SVG->bitmap conversion process in FrameMaker. Can you save the file as a PNG or PDF from Visio rather than SVG? FrameMaker may handle it better. > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format PDF are PNG are also public formats. Maybe you can talk to the people maintaining the corporate standards? Z BTW, a side-bar: _never_ use JPEG for business graphics, screen captures, line drawings, etc. ... you will hate the resulting dots and artifacts in the JPEG image! I always use PNG for these kinds of "images". > -Original Message- > From: Framers [mailto:framers- > bounces+syed.hosain=aeris@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin > Sims > Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:04 PM > To: Robert Lauriston > Cc: Frame Users ; TECHWR-L Writing > > Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size > > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format. > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated > thanks to being bought by another corporation. > > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the same > settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different. > > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference. > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > > > Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like a bug > > in FrameMaker's SVG support. > > > > I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF worked > > the best. > > > > I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by > > copying"). I always import by reference. > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > > Pertinents: > > > > > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12, latest > > > patch Visio 2013 > > > > > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just > > > blowing up the Frame file size. > > > > > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 > > > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 > > > > > > Visio file: 150,011 > > > SVG file: 15,830 > > > > > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the > > > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A > > > somewhat similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) > > > files sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. > > > > > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple > > > diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
The PDF version of the graphic does not noticeably change the file size. I am leaning toward some sort of corruption of the original Visio file, since other SVGs saved out of the same instance of Visio are not having the same effect. I'll put redrawing the graphic on my ToDo list. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > We use default settings for SVG import. No gradient shading. We use > patterns or solid colors. > > I may try saving this graphic out to PDF and see what happens. > > This isn't an emergency so much as a nuisance and a cause for curiosity. > I've got documents with hundreds of graphics in them, and I don't recall > ever seeing this issue before. This particular file only has 2 graphics, > and the other graphic does not cause anything like this bloat. > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert Lauriston > wrote: > >> Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and >> are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge. >> >> Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram >> has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be >> enormous. >> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims wrote: >> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format. >> > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got >> obliterated >> > thanks to being bought by another corporation. >> > >> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the >> > same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly >> different. >> > >> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference. >> > >> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like >> >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support. >> >> >> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF >> >> worked the best. >> >> >> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by >> >> copying"). I always import by reference. >> >> >> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims wrote: >> >> > Pertinents: >> >> > >> >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 >> >> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch >> >> > Visio 2013 >> >> > >> >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is >> >> > just >> >> > blowing up the Frame file size. >> >> > >> >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 >> >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 >> >> > >> >> > Visio file: 150,011 >> >> > SVG file: 15,830 >> >> > >> >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the >> >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A >> >> > somewhat >> >> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) >> files >> >> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. >> >> > >> >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple >> >> > diagram >> >> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Lin Sims >> > > > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
We use default settings for SVG import. No gradient shading. We use patterns or solid colors. I may try saving this graphic out to PDF and see what happens. This isn't an emergency so much as a nuisance and a cause for curiosity. I've got documents with hundreds of graphics in them, and I don't recall ever seeing this issue before. This particular file only has 2 graphics, and the other graphic does not cause anything like this bloat. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and > are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge. > > Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram > has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be > enormous. > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format. > > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated > > thanks to being bought by another corporation. > > > > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the > > same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly > different. > > > > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference. > > > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston > > wrote: > >> > >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like > >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support. > >> > >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF > >> worked the best. > >> > >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by > >> copying"). I always import by reference. > >> > >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > >> > Pertinents: > >> > > >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 > >> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch > >> > Visio 2013 > >> > > >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is > >> > just > >> > blowing up the Frame file size. > >> > > >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 > >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 > >> > > >> > Visio file: 150,011 > >> > SVG file: 15,830 > >> > > >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the > >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A > >> > somewhat > >> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files > >> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. > >> > > >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple > >> > diagram > >> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge. Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be enormous. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format. > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated > thanks to being bought by another corporation. > > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the > same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different. > > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference. > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston > wrote: >> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support. >> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF >> worked the best. >> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by >> copying"). I always import by reference. >> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims wrote: >> > Pertinents: >> > >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 >> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch >> > Visio 2013 >> > >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is >> > just >> > blowing up the Frame file size. >> > >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 >> > >> > Visio file: 150,011 >> > SVG file: 15,830 >> > >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A >> > somewhat >> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files >> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. >> > >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple >> > diagram >> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? > > > > > -- > Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
As a small follow-up, the Import SVG settings are the defaults: Raster Quality: 72 DPI Width: SVG Width Height: SVG Height Still looking for Art's suggestion of save as frame image, but I doubt if that's contributing. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > Pertinents: > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 > FrameMaker 12, latest patch > Visio 2013 > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just > blowing up the Frame file size. > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 > > Visio file: 150,011 > SVG file: 15,830 > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? > > -- > Lin Sims > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
Importing by reference (best practice) or copied in? Do you have Save as Frame Image activated or Off? Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > Pertinents: > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 > FrameMaker 12, latest patch > Visio 2013 > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just > blowing up the Frame file size. > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 > > Visio file: 150,011 > SVG file: 15,830 > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? > > -- > Lin Sims > ___ > > This message is from the Framers mailing list > > Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com > Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com > Archives located at > http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ > Subscribe and unsubscribe at > http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com > Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com > ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format. Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated thanks to being bought by another corporation. I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different. Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston wrote: > Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like > a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support. > > I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF > worked the best. > > I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by > copying"). I always import by reference. > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > > Pertinents: > > > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 > > FrameMaker 12, latest patch > > Visio 2013 > > > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just > > blowing up the Frame file size. > > > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 > > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 > > > > Visio file: 150,011 > > SVG file: 15,830 > > > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the > > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A > somewhat > > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files > > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. > > > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple > diagram > > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
I wish it were by reference, but because of how our DCMS handles unstructured Frame, we have to import by copy. I don't think I'm aware of Save as Frame Image. I'll have to check. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Art Campbell wrote: > Importing by reference (best practice) or copied in? > Do you have Save as Frame Image activated or Off? > > > Art Campbell > art.campb...@gmail.com > "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent > and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson > No disclaimers apply. >DoD 358 > > I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA. > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims wrote: > >> Pertinents: >> >> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 >> FrameMaker 12, latest patch >> Visio 2013 >> >> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just >> blowing up the Frame file size. >> >> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 >> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 >> >> Visio file: 150,011 >> SVG file: 15,830 >> >> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the >> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat >> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files >> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. >> >> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram >> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? >> >> -- >> Lin Sims >> ___ >> >> This message is from the Framers mailing list >> >> Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com >> Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com >> Archives located at >> http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ >> Subscribe and unsubscribe at >> http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com >> Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com >> > > -- Lin Sims ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support. I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF worked the best. I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by copying"). I always import by reference. On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims wrote: > Pertinents: > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 > FrameMaker 12, latest patch > Visio 2013 > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just > blowing up the Frame file size. > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448 > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160 > > Visio file: 150,011 > SVG file: 15,830 > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296. > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size? ___ This message is from the Framers mailing list Send messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com Visit the list's homepage at http://www.frameusers.com Archives located at http://www.mail-archive.com/framers%40lists.frameusers.com/ Subscribe and unsubscribe at http://lists.frameusers.com/listinfo.cgi/framers-frameusers.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com
