Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-06 Thread David Artman
   Blind guess, without reading rest of thread yet: full font embedding?

    Original Message 
   Subject: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
   From: Lin Sims <[1]ljsims...@gmail.com>
   Date: Thu, May 05, 2016 2:43 pm
   To: Frame Users <[2]framers@lists.frameusers.com>, TECHWR-L
   <[3]techw...@lists.techwr-l.com>
   Pertinents:
   Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
   FrameMaker 12, latest patch
   Visio 2013
   I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
   just
   blowing up the Frame file size.
   Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
   Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
   Visio file: 150,011
   SVG file: 15,830
   I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
   conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
   somewhat
   similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
   sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
   I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
   diagram
   should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Art Campbell
Another possibility is that SVG doesn't include a preview (I don't know --
format never interested me), but if so, FM may be creating one, which may
account for the size increase.

Might try saving the Visio as PNG and importing that to see what happens;
it's generally a great all purpose format.


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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Pertinents:
>
> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> Visio 2013
>
> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> blowing up the Frame file size.
>
> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>
> Visio file: 150,011
> SVG file: 15,830
>
> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>
> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Art Campbell
I haven't encountered it, but crop and modify PDFs all the time in
Photoshop. I believe there's also a cropping tool in the full version of
Acrobat.


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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 7:01 PM, Craig, Alison <acr...@bkultrasound.com>
wrote:

> > Can you use PDF or EPS?
>
> I saved Visio drawings to PDF for years and imported them by reference
> into Frame with absolutely no problem. Then I had to upgrade to Visio 2013
> and now I can't get properly sized PDFs out of Visio.
>
> There is always some extra white space around the drawing even though that
> white space doesn't exist in the Visio file (I use the "Fit to Drawing"
> option with all Visio margins set to 0).
>
> If anyone else has encountered this problem and has a fix, I'd love to
> hear it.
>
> Alison
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=
> bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Robert Lauriston
> Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 12:15 PM
> To: Lin Sims; TECHWR-L Writing; Frame Users
> Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
>
>
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston
> > <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> >>
> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> >> worked the best.
> >>
> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> >> copying"). I always import by reference.
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Pertinents:
> >> >
> >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12,
> >> > latest patch Visio 2013
> >> >
> >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that
> >> > is just blowing up the Frame file size.
> >> >
> >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> >> >
> >> > Visio file: 150,011
> >> > SVG file: 15,830
> >> >
> >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
> >> > somewhat similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG
> >> > (34,688) files sizes only increases the Frame file size to
> >> > 1,207,296.
> >> >
> >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> >> > diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file
> >> > size?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Craig, Alison
> Can you use PDF or EPS?

I saved Visio drawings to PDF for years and imported them by reference into 
Frame with absolutely no problem. Then I had to upgrade to Visio 2013 and now I 
can't get properly sized PDFs out of Visio. 

There is always some extra white space around the drawing even though that 
white space doesn't exist in the Visio file (I use the "Fit to Drawing" option 
with all Visio margins set to 0).

If anyone else has encountered this problem and has a fix, I'd love to hear it. 

Alison


-Original Message-
From: Framers 
[mailto:framers-bounces+acraig=bkultrasound@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf 
Of Robert Lauriston
Sent: Thursday, May 05, 2016 12:15 PM
To: Lin Sims; TECHWR-L Writing; Frame Users
Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size


> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> <rob...@lauriston.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like 
>> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
>>
>> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF 
>> worked the best.
>>
>> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by 
>> copying"). I always import by reference.
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Pertinents:
>> >
>> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12, 
>> > latest patch Visio 2013
>> >
>> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that 
>> > is just blowing up the Frame file size.
>> >
>> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
>> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>> >
>> > Visio file: 150,011
>> > SVG file: 15,830
>> >
>> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the 
>> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A 
>> > somewhat similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG 
>> > (34,688) files sizes only increases the Frame file size to 
>> > 1,207,296.
>> >
>> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple 
>> > diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file 
>> > size?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Lin Sims
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
The choice of SVG is also because of the proposed switch to DITA, because
it scales whereas PNG doesn't, and also there is at least one group in the
company that runs scripts against the files for auditing purposes. They can
read the text in an SVG (or PDF) but not in a PNG graphic.

And as I said a little while ago, the conversion from Visio to PDF resulted
in a graphic that imported to Frame with no bloating issues.

It's just weird that the one graphic is doing this. I have, literally,
hundreds of images that were created and imported the same way, and none of
them are causing this kind of inflation. I'm leaning towards a corrupt
Visio file, and I may redraw it at some point to see if that makes a
difference.

Thanks all for the help. Sometimes you just need to bounce the idea off
others to get a grip on what's going on.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:41 PM, Syed Zaeem Hosain <syed.hos...@aeris.net>
wrote:

> SVG is a vector format - very efficient, but needs to be rasterized for
> printing and display purposes. Usually converted on the fly (when
> output/printed) by tools that properly work with SVG.
>
> It is possible that FrameMaker creates bit-mapped images at the point of
> _importing_ the SVG - i.e., without keeping it in vector form.
>
> Then, depending on the dpi, combined with the size of the image, etc.,
> this may be resulting in a large image being brought in.
>
> Could also be that there is some inefficiency/bugginess in the SVG->bitmap
> conversion process in FrameMaker.
>
> Can you save the file as a PNG or PDF from Visio rather than SVG?
> FrameMaker may handle it better.
>
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format
>
> PDF are PNG are also public formats. Maybe you can talk to the people
> maintaining the corporate standards?
>
> Z
>
> BTW, a side-bar: _never_ use JPEG for business graphics, screen captures,
> line drawings, etc. ... you will hate the resulting dots and artifacts in
> the JPEG image! I always use PNG for these kinds of "images".
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Framers [mailto:framers-
> > bounces+syed.hosain=aeris@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin
> > Sims
> > Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:04 PM
> > To: Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> > Cc: Frame Users <framers@lists.frameusers.com>; TECHWR-L Writing
> > <techw...@lists.techwr-l.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
> >
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
> Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
> thanks to being bought by another corporation.
> >
> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
> same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.
> >
> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> > >
> > > I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> worked the best.
> > >
> > > I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> copying"). I always import by reference.
> > >
> > > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com>
> wrote: Pertinents:
> > > >
> > > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12,
> latest patch Visio 2013
> > > >
> > > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
> just blowing up the Frame file size.
> > > >
> > > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> > > > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> > > >
> > > > Visio file: 150,011
> > > > SVG file: 15,830
> > > >
> > > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> > > >
> > > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>



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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Syed Zaeem Hosain
SVG is a vector format - very efficient, but needs to be rasterized for 
printing and display purposes. Usually converted on the fly (when 
output/printed) by tools that properly work with SVG.

It is possible that FrameMaker creates bit-mapped images at the point of 
_importing_ the SVG - i.e., without keeping it in vector form.

Then, depending on the dpi, combined with the size of the image, etc., this may 
be resulting in a large image being brought in.

Could also be that there is some inefficiency/bugginess in the SVG->bitmap 
conversion process in FrameMaker.

Can you save the file as a PNG or PDF from Visio rather than SVG? FrameMaker 
may handle it better. 

> Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format

PDF are PNG are also public formats. Maybe you can talk to the people 
maintaining the corporate standards?

Z

BTW, a side-bar: _never_ use JPEG for business graphics, screen captures, line 
drawings, etc. ... you will hate the resulting dots and artifacts in the JPEG 
image! I always use PNG for these kinds of "images".

> -Original Message-
> From: Framers [mailto:framers-
> bounces+syed.hosain=aeris@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Lin
> Sims
> Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 12:04 PM
> To: Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com>
> Cc: Frame Users <framers@lists.frameusers.com>; TECHWR-L Writing
> <techw...@lists.techwr-l.com>
> Subject: Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size
> 
> Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format. 
> Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated 
> thanks to being bought by another corporation.
> 
> I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the same 
> settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.
> 
> Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
> 
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston <rob...@lauriston.com> wrote:
> 
> > Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like a bug 
> > in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> >
> > I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF worked 
> > the best.
> >
> > I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by 
> > copying"). I always import by reference.
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims <ljsims...@gmail.com> wrote: 
> > Pertinents:
> > >
> > > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1 FrameMaker 12, latest 
> > > patch Visio 2013
> > >
> > > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just 
> > > blowing up the Frame file size.
> > >
> > > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> > > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> > >
> > > Visio file: 150,011
> > > SVG file: 15,830
> > >
> > > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the 
> > > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A 
> > > somewhat similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) 
> > > files sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> > >
> > > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple 
> > > diagram should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
The PDF version of the graphic does not noticeably change the file size. I
am leaning toward some sort of corruption of the original Visio file, since
other SVGs saved out of the same instance of Visio are not having the same
effect.

I'll put redrawing the graphic on my ToDo list.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:20 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> We use default settings for SVG import. No gradient shading. We use
> patterns or solid colors.
>
> I may try saving this graphic out to PDF and see what happens.
>
> This isn't an emergency so much as a nuisance and a cause for curiosity.
> I've got documents with hundreds of graphics in them, and I don't recall
> ever seeing this issue before. This particular file only has 2 graphics,
> and the other graphic does not cause anything like this bloat.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>
>> Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and
>> are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge.
>>
>> Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram
>> has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be
>> enormous.
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
>> > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got
>> obliterated
>> > thanks to being bought by another corporation.
>> >
>> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
>> > same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly
>> different.
>> >
>> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
>> >
>> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
>> >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
>> >>
>> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
>> >> worked the best.
>> >>
>> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
>> >> copying"). I always import by reference.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> >> > Pertinents:
>> >> >
>> >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
>> >> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
>> >> > Visio 2013
>> >> >
>> >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
>> >> > just
>> >> > blowing up the Frame file size.
>> >> >
>> >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
>> >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>> >> >
>> >> > Visio file: 150,011
>> >> > SVG file: 15,830
>> >> >
>> >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
>> >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
>> >> > somewhat
>> >> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688)
>> files
>> >> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
>> >> > diagram
>> >> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Lin Sims
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>



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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
We use default settings for SVG import. No gradient shading. We use
patterns or solid colors.

I may try saving this graphic out to PDF and see what happens.

This isn't an emergency so much as a nuisance and a cause for curiosity.
I've got documents with hundreds of graphics in them, and I don't recall
ever seeing this issue before. This particular file only has 2 graphics,
and the other graphic does not cause anything like this bloat.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and
> are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge.
>
> Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram
> has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be
> enormous.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
> > Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
> > thanks to being bought by another corporation.
> >
> > I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
> > same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly
> different.
> >
> > Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
> >
> > On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> >> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
> >>
> >> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> >> worked the best.
> >>
> >> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> >> copying"). I always import by reference.
> >>
> >> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> >> > Pertinents:
> >> >
> >> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> >> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> >> > Visio 2013
> >> >
> >> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
> >> > just
> >> > blowing up the Frame file size.
> >> >
> >> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> >> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> >> >
> >> > Visio file: 150,011
> >> > SVG file: 15,830
> >> >
> >> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> >> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
> >> > somewhat
> >> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> >> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> >> >
> >> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> >> > diagram
> >> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Robert Lauriston
Can you use PDF or EPS? Those have been supported for a long time and
are probably less buggy. FrameMaker's SVG support is kind of a kludge.

Raster quality is a setting in the Import SVG dialog. If the diagram
has a gradient fill, a high-resolution rasterization could be
enormous.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 12:03 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
> Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
> thanks to being bought by another corporation.
>
> I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
> same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.
>
> Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
>> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
>>
>> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
>> worked the best.
>>
>> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
>> copying"). I always import by reference.
>>
>> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>> > Pertinents:
>> >
>> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
>> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
>> > Visio 2013
>> >
>> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is
>> > just
>> > blowing up the Frame file size.
>> >
>> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
>> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>> >
>> > Visio file: 150,011
>> > SVG file: 15,830
>> >
>> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
>> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
>> > somewhat
>> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
>> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>> >
>> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
>> > diagram
>> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>
>
>
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
As a small follow-up, the Import SVG settings are the defaults:

Raster Quality: 72 DPI
Width: SVG Width
Height: SVG Height

Still looking for Art's suggestion of save as frame image, but I doubt if
that's contributing.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Pertinents:
>
> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> Visio 2013
>
> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> blowing up the Frame file size.
>
> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>
> Visio file: 150,011
> SVG file: 15,830
>
> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>
> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>
> --
> Lin Sims
>



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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Art Campbell
Importing by reference (best practice) or copied in?
Do you have Save as Frame Image activated or Off?


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On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:

> Pertinents:
>
> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> Visio 2013
>
> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> blowing up the Frame file size.
>
> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>
> Visio file: 150,011
> SVG file: 15,830
>
> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>
> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>
> --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
Corporate standards require using SVG as it is a non-proprietary format.
Also, we were planning to migrate to DITA, a project that got obliterated
thanks to being bought by another corporation.

I don't know about raster quality. All the graphics I've created use the
same settings, so I don't see how this one could be that wildly different.

Maybe I'll try redrawing it and seeing if that makes a difference.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 3:00 PM, Robert Lauriston 
wrote:

> Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
> a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.
>
> I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
> worked the best.
>
> I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
> copying"). I always import by reference.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> > Pertinents:
> >
> > Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> > FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> > Visio 2013
> >
> > I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> > blowing up the Frame file size.
> >
> > Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> > Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
> >
> > Visio file: 150,011
> > SVG file: 15,830
> >
> > I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> > conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A
> somewhat
> > similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> > sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
> >
> > I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple
> diagram
> > should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>



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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Lin Sims
I wish it were by reference, but because of how our DCMS handles
unstructured Frame, we have to import by copy.

I don't think I'm aware of Save as Frame Image. I'll have to check.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:59 PM, Art Campbell  wrote:

> Importing by reference (best practice) or copied in?
> Do you have Save as Frame Image activated or Off?
>
>
> Art Campbell
> art.campb...@gmail.com
>   "... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent
> and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
>   No disclaimers apply.
>DoD 358
>
> I support www.TheGrotonLine.com, hyperlocal news for Groton MA.
>
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 2:43 PM, Lin Sims  wrote:
>
>> Pertinents:
>>
>> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
>> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
>> Visio 2013
>>
>> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
>> blowing up the Frame file size.
>>
>> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
>> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>>
>> Visio file: 150,011
>> SVG file: 15,830
>>
>> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
>> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
>> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
>> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>>
>> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
>> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
>>
>> --
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Re: [Framers] SVG blowing up Frame file size

2016-05-05 Thread Robert Lauriston
Maybe you have raster quality set really high? Otherwise, sounds like
a bug in FrameMaker's SVG support.

I experimented with various formats for Visio diagrams and found EMF
worked the best.

I never embed graphics in .fm files (what the FM docs call "import by
copying"). I always import by reference.

On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 11:43 AM, Lin Sims  wrote:
> Pertinents:
>
> Windows 7 Professional, 64-bit, Service Patch 1
> FrameMaker 12, latest patch
> Visio 2013
>
> I have a small diagram created in Visio and saved out to SVG that is just
> blowing up the Frame file size.
>
> Frame file w/o graphic: 232,448
> Frame file w/ graphic: 17,116,160
>
> Visio file: 150,011
> SVG file: 15,830
>
> I've recreated the SVG file in case there was a corruption in the
> conversion from .vsdx to .svg, but I'm getting the same result. A somewhat
> similar diagram that has larger Visio (357,882) and SVG (34,688) files
> sizes only increases the Frame file size to 1,207,296.
>
> I'm fabbled. Does anyone have any ideas why this very, very simple diagram
> should be making such a difference in the FrameMaker file size?
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