pear shaped RE: A giggle from the Adobe website
I thought it was the fear of all technical writers that over the years working at a desk we all will go pear shaped. (Heads up! This is not an irrational fear!) C- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: A giggle from the Adobe website
Given the amount of noise on this list about how the interface to FM is inadequate, I would think there would be a raft of end-users out there willing to sign on for this. Craig BTW: I am quite happy to be working in FM12. It's not perfect, but better than any of the previous versions I've used (and I signed on with FrameMaker 3.0) ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: pear shaped RE: A giggle from the Adobe website
Too late! On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 8:36 AM, Craig Ede craig...@hotmail.com wrote: I thought it was the fear of all technical writers that over the years working at a desk we all will go pear shaped. (Heads up! This is not an irrational fear!) C- ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A giggle from the Adobe website
I get it now. All this time they thought I was not using Framemaker. From wiki: An end user of a computer system http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_user_of_a_computer_system or software is someone who uses it. I will let them know I am an end-user. That could explain why we get answers that are high-level, vague, or sound like short sound bites. I was checking IT manager. I'll add that the program, documentation, and support is much better than it was in 2007 - 2010 and the support community is amazing. Ed On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Helen Borrie hele...@iinet.net.au wrote: Pat Christenson wrote: I was visiting Adobe's website earlier and noticed that when you sign up, you have to make a choice from the list of Job Titles. One of the choices is End User. Really? That's a job title? ;-) At 07:19 a.m. 28/10/2014, Writer wrote: It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. I hear the pay sucks, too. And don't we *always* get the blame when something goes pear-shaped? Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as enodl...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/enodland%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A giggle from the Adobe website
My personal feeling is that documentation from Adobe has declined, and is threatening to approach the Microsoft level. On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:09, Ed Nodland enodl...@gmail.com wrote: I get it now. All this time they thought I was not using Framemaker. From wiki: An end user of a computer system or software is someone who uses it. I will let them know I am an end-user. That could explain why we get answers that are high-level, vague, or sound like short sound bites. I was checking IT manager. I'll add that the program, documentation, and support is much better than it was in 2007 - 2010 and the support community is amazing. Ed On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Helen Borrie hele...@iinet.net.au wrote: Pat Christenson wrote: I was visiting Adobe's website earlier and noticed that when you sign up, you have to make a choice from the list of Job Titles. One of the choices is End User. Really? That's a job title? ;-) At 07:19 a.m. 28/10/2014, Writer wrote: It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. I hear the pay sucks, too. And don't we *always* get the blame when something goes pear-shaped? Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as enodl...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/enodland%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as qui...@airmail.net. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/quills%40airmail.net Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: A giggle from the Adobe website
I'd have to say I agree with Ed here, rather than Scott. Craig Ede Subject: Re: A giggle from the Adobe website From: qui...@airmail.net Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 10:51:10 -0500 To: enodl...@gmail.com CC: framers@lists.frameusers.com My personal feeling is that documentation from Adobe has declined, and is threatening to approach the Microsoft level. On Oct 28, 2014, at 10:09, Ed Nodland enodl...@gmail.commailto:enodl...@gmail.com wrote: I get it now. All this time they thought I was not using Framemaker. From wiki: An end user of a computer systemhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End_user_of_a_computer_system or software is someone who uses it. I will let them know I am an end-user. That could explain why we get answers that are high-level, vague, or sound like short sound bites. I was checking IT manager. I'll add that the program, documentation, and support is much better than it was in 2007 - 2010 and the support community is amazing. Ed ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A giggle from the Adobe website
My personal feeling is that documentation from Adobe has declined, and is threatening to approach the Microsoft level. I think Microsoft has a leg up on Adobe docs, albeit a skinny leg. Even before Adobe bought the company, FM docs were, shall we say, less than robust. They remind me of open-source philosophy where developers wait for a user to document that an icon means means crash and burn, not save this file. If not for Sarah O'Keefe and Scriptorium, FrameMaker would have been abandoned a decade ago. Just saying. Amy Sharp Geophysical Technical Writer ConocoPhillips Co. MO1050 Work: 281-293-1819 Mobile: 713-724-8485 amy.sh...@cop.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A giggle from the Adobe website
I think FrameMaker's docs are the least bad of all the authoring tools I've used or evaluated. Their biggest weakness is often complete lack of coverage of higher-level tasks. E.g. there are no templates in the usual sense, so how do you work around that? The sample files they've provided not only don't embody best practices, they were apparently created by people who didn't understand many of the (properly documented) fundamentals. On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Sharp, Amy amy.sh...@conocophillips.com wrote: My personal feeling is that documentation from Adobe has declined, and is threatening to approach the Microsoft level. I think Microsoft has a leg up on Adobe docs, albeit a skinny leg. Even before Adobe bought the company, FM docs were, shall we say, less than robust. They remind me of open-source philosophy where developers wait for a user to document that an icon means means crash and burn, not save this file. If not for Sarah O'Keefe and Scriptorium, FrameMaker would have been abandoned a decade ago. Just saying. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A giggle from the Adobe website
It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. I hear the pay sucks, too. Nadine From: Christenson, Pat pchristen...@ftportfolios.com To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 2:09 PM Subject: A giggle from the Adobe website I was visiting Adobe’s website earlier and noticed that when you sign up, you have to make a choice from the list of Job Titles. One of the choices is End User. Really? That’s a job title? ;-) Pat Christenson Resource Coordinator Fitzgerald Marketing and Communications pchristen...@ftportfolios.com ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A giggle from the Adobe website
Pat Christenson wrote: I was visiting Adobe's website earlier and noticed that when you sign up, you have to make a choice from the list of Job Titles. One of the choices is End User. Really? That's a job title? ;-) At 07:19 a.m. 28/10/2014, Writer wrote: It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. I hear the pay sucks, too. And don't we *always* get the blame when something goes pear-shaped? Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A giggle from the Adobe website
Why do things go pear-shaped? Why not rhombus-shaped, or even watermelon-shaped? Or artichoke--then you get an odd shaped that's all prickly, too. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Helen Borrie hele...@iinet.net.au wrote: Pat Christenson wrote: I was visiting Adobe's website earlier and noticed that when you sign up, you have to make a choice from the list of Job Titles. One of the choices is End User. Really? That's a job title? ;-) At 07:19 a.m. 28/10/2014, Writer wrote: It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. I hear the pay sucks, too. And don't we *always* get the blame when something goes pear-shaped? Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A giggle from the Adobe website
To quote Joss Whedon, I have a theory... Actually, it's Wikipedia's theory, not mine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pear-shaped Nadine From: Lin Sims ljsims...@gmail.com To: Helen Borrie hele...@iinet.net.au Cc: Frame Users framers@lists.frameusers.com Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 4:31 PM Subject: Re: A giggle from the Adobe website Why do things go pear-shaped? Why not rhombus-shaped, or even watermelon-shaped? Or artichoke--then you get an odd shaped that's all prickly, too. On Mon, Oct 27, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Helen Borrie hele...@iinet.net.au wrote: Pat Christenson wrote: I was visiting Adobe's website earlier and noticed that when you sign up, you have to make a choice from the list of Job Titles. One of the choices is End User. Really? That's a job title? ;-) At 07:19 a.m. 28/10/2014, Writer wrote: It's a dirty job, but someone's gotta do it. I hear the pay sucks, too. And don't we *always* get the blame when something goes pear-shaped? Helen ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as ljsims...@gmail.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/ljsims.ml%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Lin Sims ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as generic...@yahoo.ca. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/generic668%40yahoo.ca Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: A giggle from the Adobe website
If I confess to be a FrameMaker end user, what else might be inferred about me? /Peter That you use FrameMaker ends? I mean...come on...it's not like orking cows, eh? Nadine ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
