Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior (Joseph)
Dear Joseph, et al: Yes, I have been observing the dancing menus problem for a month or two. I hadn't noticed the other problems, but they could well be. I've got ATCS 2.0 loaded (and am writing a review of it). I'd tried to describe this problem to RJ Jacques, but he said he hadn't run into this before and didn't know what it was just from the description, so I was unable to get additional information (as of around the beginning of March). I was trying to shoot a Captivate movie to show this, but got sidetracked by work. Sounds like I'm not the only one, though. whew! My system is a pretty vanilla box: ASUS motherboard with an onboard Nvidia GeForce FX 5200, with a ViewSonic 21 LCD monitor. I'm running at 1400 x 1050 x 32-bit color. The dancing menus are easy to see and trigger: loading a new FM file does it for me. Don't know if it's something other people have shown the folks at Adobe yet, but at least there's more than one of us. Yours truly, John Hedtke Author/Consultant/Contract Writer www.hedtke.com -- website 541-685-5000 (office landline) 541-554-2189 (cell) j...@hedtke.com (primary email) johnhed...@aol.com (secondary email) At 12:00 AM 4/14/2009, you wrote: I have started testing FM 9 p230. Over all, I like the new UI design. However, I have noticed one issue right off the bat. When I rearrange/minimize windows, drag tabs and pods around, or change work spaces, the UI starts behaving oddly for a couple seconds in the following ways. -Menus will start shaking and shifting around -UI elements bleed into one another -the selection for user defined work spaces disappears from the work space menu Has anyone else experienced problems like this?? -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior
Joseph, You wrote: I have started testing FM 9 p230. Over all, I like the new UI design. However, I have noticed one issue right off the bat. When I rearrange/minimize windows, drag tabs and pods around, or change work spaces, the UI starts behaving oddly for a couple seconds in the following ways. -Menus will start shaking and shifting around -UI elements bleed into one another -the selection for user defined work spaces disappears from the work space menu Has anyone else experienced problems like this?? Yes. Whenever I switch between workspaces, toolbars flicker for 2-3 seconds (less noticeable flickering occurs in other cases). I see this in both standalone FM9 and FM9-TCS2, on two different computers. Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com FrameMaker/Acrobat training consulting * FM-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF Acrobat courses ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior
I haven't seen that, but each system is different. You may want to make sure that your video card drivers are up to date... Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Joseph panoptico...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have started testing FM 9 p230. Over all, I like the new UI design. However, I have noticed one issue right off the bat. When I rearrange/minimize windows, drag tabs and pods around, or change work spaces, the UI starts behaving oddly for a couple seconds in the following ways. -Menus will start shaking and shifting around -UI elements bleed into one another -the selection for user defined work spaces disappears from the work space menu Has anyone else experienced problems like this?? -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior
I just wrapped up the trial and did not encounter anything like this either. Jim -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Art Campbell Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 3:12 PM To: Joseph Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior I haven't seen that, but each system is different. You may want to make sure that your video card drivers are up to date... Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Joseph panoptico...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have started testing FM 9 p230. Over all, I like the new UI design. However, I have noticed one issue right off the bat. When I rearrange/minimize windows, drag tabs and pods around, or change work spaces, the UI starts behaving oddly for a couple seconds in the following ways. -Menus will start shaking and shifting around -UI elements bleed into one another -the selection for user defined work spaces disappears from the work space menu Has anyone else experienced problems like this?? -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gma il.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jim.pink...@voith.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jim.pinkham%40voith.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior
Hi Art, When you mentioned the video card, an idea occurred to me. I am using a Dell lap top, which is hooked up to a dell flat screen monitor. The monitor's highest resolution is 1680 by 1050 pixels, the lap top's highest resolution is 1440 by 900 pixels. When I placed the FM 9 window in the lap top, no issues occurred with the GUI, while on the monitor issues did occur. Then, I reduced my monitor's resolution from 1680 by 1050 to 1440 by 900 (the same res as my monitor). Once I did that, the distortions to the FM 9 GUI stopped occurring. Apparently, my monitor's res had to match my lap top's res, otherwise FM 9's ability to display the GUI is interfered with. Has anyone else had a similar experience? Sincerely, Joe On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.comwrote: I haven't seen that, but each system is different. You may want to make sure that your video card drivers are up to date... Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Joseph panoptico...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have started testing FM 9 p230. Over all, I like the new UI design. However, I have noticed one issue right off the bat. When I rearrange/minimize windows, drag tabs and pods around, or change work spaces, the UI starts behaving oddly for a couple seconds in the following ways. -Menus will start shaking and shifting around -UI elements bleed into one another -the selection for user defined work spaces disappears from the work space menu Has anyone else experienced problems like this?? -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini Naperville, IL 309-319-4487 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior
Hi Art, Apparently, I spoke too soon. The GUI distortions started occurring at the lower res on my monitor right after I sent out an email saying they didn't. So I am not sure what is going on. However, it is still the case that FM 9's GUI renders without any problem on my lap top's monitor. Sincerely, Joe On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:12 PM, Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.comwrote: I haven't seen that, but each system is different. You may want to make sure that your video card drivers are up to date... Art Art Campbell art.campb...@gmail.com ... In my opinion, there's nothing in this world beats a '52 Vincent and a redheaded girl. -- Richard Thompson No disclaimers apply. DoD 358 On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 3:28 PM, Joseph panoptico...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I have started testing FM 9 p230. Over all, I like the new UI design. However, I have noticed one issue right off the bat. When I rearrange/minimize windows, drag tabs and pods around, or change work spaces, the UI starts behaving oddly for a couple seconds in the following ways. -Menus will start shaking and shifting around -UI elements bleed into one another -the selection for user defined work spaces disappears from the work space menu Has anyone else experienced problems like this?? -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as art.campb...@gmail.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/art.campbell%40gmail.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini Naperville, IL 309-319-4487 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior
Are you using the DVI connector or the VGA connector on the laptop (to connect to the external monitor - which I assume is an LCD monitor)? If not DVI, can you try that and see if the problem persists? Also, have you tried switching from dual-screen mode (where the output is on both screens) to single-screen on the external monitor? Which laptop and graphics card is it, by the way? Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 4:20 PM To: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior Hi Art, Apparently, I spoke too soon. The GUI distortions started occurring at the lower res on my monitor right after I sent out an email saying they didn't. So I am not sure what is going on. However, it is still the case that FM 9's GUI renders without any problem on my lap top's monitor. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior
Hi Syed, I did try switching to the single screen mode on the external monitor. It had no affect. Also, I've noticed that the GUI distortions only occur when I maximize the FM window and/or change the workspace while the FM window is maximized. If the FM window isn't fully maximized, then the GUI distortions do not occur when I change the workspaces. Here are the specs. -DVI connector -Dell E228WFP LCD Monitor -Lap top: Dell Latitude D630 -Graphics card: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 135M Thanks for the help, Joe On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:37 PM, syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Are you using the DVI connector or the VGA connector on the laptop (to connect to the external monitor - which I assume is an LCD monitor)? If not DVI, can you try that and see if the problem persists? Also, have you tried switching from dual-screen mode (where the output is on both screens) to single-screen on the external monitor? Which laptop and graphics card is it, by the way? Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 4:20 PM To: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior Hi Art, Apparently, I spoke too soon. The GUI distortions started occurring at the lower res on my monitor right after I sent out an email saying they didn't. So I am not sure what is going on. However, it is still the case that FM 9's GUI renders without any problem on my lap top's monitor. -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini Naperville, IL 309-319-4487 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior
I use a similar, albeit older, laptop - it is a Dell 820 with a nVidia Quadro 120 graphics card and an external Dell 24 LCD (at 1920 x 1200) and do not remember seeing these screen artifacts when I trialed FM 9. Since my trial license has expired, I cannot test again ... L One other thought perhaps: I do have 2GB of memory ... how much does your laptop have? Since these graphics cards only have 256MB on board, they have to use some system memory when displaying full-screen stuff and if you do not have enough memory in your laptop, this may be swapping to the disk and creating the artifacts you see. This is a SWAG though! Otherwise, I am at a loss to explain the problems ... sorry! Z From: jalo...@gmail.com [mailto:jalo...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 5:00 PM To: Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior Hi Syed, I did try switching to the single screen mode on the external monitor. It had no affect. Also, I've noticed that the GUI distortions only occur when I maximize the FM window and/or change the workspace while the FM window is maximized. If the FM window isn't fully maximized, then the GUI distortions do not occur when I change the workspaces. Here are the specs. -DVI connector -Dell E228WFP LCD Monitor -Lap top: Dell Latitude D630 -Graphics card: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 135M Thanks for the help, Joe On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:37 PM, syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Are you using the DVI connector or the VGA connector on the laptop (to connect to the external monitor - which I assume is an LCD monitor)? If not DVI, can you try that and see if the problem persists? Also, have you tried switching from dual-screen mode (where the output is on both screens) to single-screen on the external monitor? Which laptop and graphics card is it, by the way? Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 4:20 PM To: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior Hi Art, Apparently, I spoke too soon. The GUI distortions started occurring at the lower res on my monitor right after I sent out an email saying they didn't. So I am not sure what is going on. However, it is still the case that FM 9's GUI renders without any problem on my lap top's monitor. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior
Hi Syed, My laptop has 2 GB of memory. I have had previous issues with this lap top being buggy, though nothing like this. I suppose it could all be related, but who knows? I am just glad that it isn't a defect with the product because the more I use the UI the more I love it. Sincerely, Joe On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 7:57 PM, syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: I use a similar, albeit older, laptop – it is a Dell 820 with a nVidia Quadro 120 graphics card and an external Dell 24” LCD (at 1920 x 1200) and do not remember seeing these screen artifacts when I trialed FM 9. Since my trial license has expired, I cannot test again … L One other thought *perhaps*: I do have 2GB of memory … how much does your laptop have? Since these graphics cards only have 256MB on board, they have to use some system memory when displaying full-screen stuff and if you do not have enough memory in your laptop, this *may* be swapping to the disk and creating the artifacts you see. This is a SWAG though! Otherwise, I am at a loss to explain the problems ... sorry! Z *From:* jalo...@gmail.com [mailto:jalo...@gmail.com] *On Behalf Of *Joseph *Sent:* Monday, April 13, 2009 5:00 PM *To:* Syed Zaeem Hosain (syed.hos...@aeris.net); framers@lists.frameusers.com *Subject:* Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior Hi Syed, I did try switching to the single screen mode on the external monitor. It had no affect. Also, I've noticed that the GUI distortions only occur when I maximize the FM window and/or change the workspace while the FM window is maximized. If the FM window isn't fully maximized, then the GUI distortions do not occur when I change the workspaces. Here are the specs. -DVI connector -Dell E228WFP LCD Monitor -Lap top: Dell Latitude D630 -Graphics card: NVIDIA Quadro NVS 135M Thanks for the help, Joe On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 6:37 PM, syed.hos...@aeris.net wrote: Are you using the DVI connector or the VGA connector on the laptop (to connect to the external monitor - which I assume is an LCD monitor)? If not DVI, can you try that and see if the problem persists? Also, have you tried switching from dual-screen mode (where the output is on both screens) to single-screen on the external monitor? Which laptop and graphics card is it, by the way? Z -Original Message- From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Sent: Monday, April 13, 2009 4:20 PM To: Art Campbell; framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: FM9 Buggy UI Behavior Hi Art, Apparently, I spoke too soon. The GUI distortions started occurring at the lower res on my monitor right after I sent out an email saying they didn't. So I am not sure what is going on. However, it is still the case that FM 9's GUI renders without any problem on my lap top's monitor. -- Sincerely, Joseph Lorenzini Naperville, IL 309-319-4487 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to fram...@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
