SV: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

2007-09-25 Thread Jacob Schäffer
As I see it: With the new Adobe Suite-concept you will effectively be able to 
break the single-sourcing concept if you want, i.e. apply local changes as need 
be for last minute corrections. However, when working disciplined as of the 
single-sourcing concept itself, I think the suite-concept provides more 
overall-functionality than you've ever had -- for a lower price.

Round-tripping the RH content back to FM would certainly be a really 
nice-to-have thing, but I wouldn't expect it to be a loss-less thing to 
implement, and what would it be worth then? I still think that outputting (you 
call it repurporsing) single sourced documents offer a win-win solution for all 
parties. One source to maintain and outputting it to many sources is still 
quite ideal in my view.

I can't do anything else than welcome the new Techical Suite concept although 
several improvements still can be made (fortunately)!

All the best
Jacob Schäffer
Grafikhuset ApS
Paradis Allé 22
Ramløse
3200 Helsinge


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 Doesn't seem like much of an integration, and certainly isn't 
 single-sourcing given you can't round-trip the RH content 
 back to FM. It's a repurposing solution.
 
 On 9/25/07, Lin Surasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   According to Adobe's web site, RH 7  integration is 
 one-way .fm or 
   .mif file import. If this is true, it is not integration 
 in my book.
  
 
  Nor is it any sort of improvement on the pre-Adobe versions, which 
  imported MIF files at least since X5, if not before then
 
 -- 
 Bill Swallow
 HATT List Owner
 WWP-Users List Owner
 Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
 STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager 
 http://techcommdood.blogspot.com 
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RE: SV: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

2007-09-25 Thread Sean Pollock
As long as the RH output can be perfected from within Frame (probably best done 
in xml), it's fine. If you have to output to RH, then make any large changes in 
RH, and then output to a preferred format (HTML help, JavaHelp, etc.), there's 
really no advantage.Sean Pollock
Learning  Media DevelopmentSiemens PLM Software



 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:47:16 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Subject: SV: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite  As I see it: With 
 the new Adobe Suite-concept you will effectively be able to break the 
 single-sourcing concept if you want, i.e. apply local changes as need be for 
 last minute corrections. However, when working disciplined as of the 
 single-sourcing concept itself, I think the suite-concept provides more 
 overall-functionality than you've ever had -- for a lower price.  
 Round-tripping the RH content back to FM would certainly be a really 
 nice-to-have thing, but I wouldn't expect it to be a loss-less thing to 
 implement, and what would it be worth then? I still think that outputting 
 (you call it repurporsing) single sourced documents offer a win-win solution 
 for all parties. One source to maintain and outputting it to many sources is 
 still quite ideal in my view.  I can't do anything else than welcome the 
 new Techical Suite concept although several improvements still can be made 
 (fortunately)!  All the best Jacob Schäffer Grafikhuset ApS Paradis Allé 
 22 Ramløse 3200 Helsinge-Oprindelig meddelelse-  Fra: 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]   [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  ] På vegne af Bill 
 Swallow  Sendt: 25. september 2007 19:22  Til: Lin Surasky  Cc: [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED];   [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Emne: Re: Adobe 
 Unveils Technical Communication Suite  Doesn't seem like much of an 
 integration, and certainly isn't   single-sourcing given you can't 
 round-trip the RH content   back to FM. It's a repurposing solution.
 On 9/25/07, Lin Surasky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  According to 
 Adobe's web site, RH 7 integration is   one-way .fm or .mif file 
 import. If this is true, it is not integration   in my book.   
  Nor is it any sort of improvement on the pre-Adobe versions, which
 imported MIF files at least since X5, if not before then--   
 Bill Swallow  HATT List Owner  WWP-Users List Owner  Senior Member STC, 
 TechValley Chapter  STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager   
 http://techcommdood.blogspot.com   
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SV: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

2007-09-25 Thread Jacob Schäffer
As I see it: With the new Adobe Suite-concept you will effectively be able to 
break the single-sourcing concept if you want, i.e. apply local changes as need 
be for last minute corrections. However, when working disciplined as of the 
single-sourcing concept itself, I think the suite-concept provides more 
overall-functionality than you've ever had -- for a lower price.

Round-tripping the RH content back to FM would certainly be a really 
nice-to-have thing, but I wouldn't expect it to be a loss-less thing to 
implement, and what would it be worth then? I still think that outputting (you 
call it repurporsing) single sourced documents offer a win-win solution for all 
parties. One source to maintain and outputting it to many sources is still 
quite ideal in my view.

I can't do anything else than welcome the new Techical Suite concept although 
several improvements still can be made (fortunately)!

All the best
Jacob Sch?ffer
Grafikhuset ApS
Paradis All? 22
Raml?se
3200 Helsinge


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> Sendt: 25. september 2007 19:22
> Til: Lin Surasky
> Cc: framers at frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com; 
> Frame2Acrobat at egroups.com
> Emne: Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite
> 
> 
> Doesn't seem like much of an integration, and certainly isn't 
> single-sourcing given you can't round-trip the RH content 
> back to FM. It's a repurposing solution.
> 
> On 9/25/07, Lin Surasky  wrote:
> >
> > > According to Adobe's web site, RH 7  "integration" is 
> one-way .fm or 
> > > .mif file import. If this is true, it is not integration 
> in my book.
> > >
> >
> > Nor is it any sort of improvement on the pre-Adobe versions, which 
> > imported MIF files at least since X5, if not before then
> 
> -- 
> Bill Swallow
> HATT List Owner
> WWP-Users List Owner
> Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter
> STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager 
> http://techcommdood.blogspot.com 
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SV: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite

2007-09-25 Thread Sean Pollock
As long as the RH output can be perfected from within Frame (probably best done 
in xml), it's fine. If you have to output to RH, then make any large changes in 
RH, and then output to a preferred format (HTML help, JavaHelp, etc.), there's 
really no advantage.Sean Pollock
Learning & Media DevelopmentSiemens PLM Software



> Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 20:47:16 +0200> From: js at grafikhuset.dk> To: 
> framers at frameusers.com> CC: framers at omsys.com; Frame2Acrobat at 
> egroups.com; Lin.Surasky at retalix.com> Subject: SV: Adobe Unveils Technical 
> Communication Suite> > As I see it: With the new Adobe Suite-concept you will 
> effectively be able to break the single-sourcing concept if you want, i.e. 
> apply local changes as need be for last minute corrections. However, when 
> working disciplined as of the single-sourcing concept itself, I think the 
> suite-concept provides more overall-functionality than you've ever had -- for 
> a lower price.> > Round-tripping the RH content back to FM would certainly be 
> a really nice-to-have thing, but I wouldn't expect it to be a loss-less thing 
> to implement, and what would it be worth then? I still think that outputting 
> (you call it repurporsing) single sourced documents offer a win-win solution 
> for all parties. One source to maintain and outputting it to many sources is 
> still quite ideal in my view.> > I can't do anything else than welcome the 
> new Techical Suite concept although several improvements still can be made 
> (fortunately)!> > All the best> Jacob Sch?ffer> Grafikhuset ApS> Paradis All? 
> 22> Raml?se> 3200 Helsinge> > > > -Oprindelig meddelelse-> > Fra: 
> framers-bounces+js=grafikhuset.dk at lists.frameusers.com > > 
> [mailto:framers-bounces+js=grafikhuset.dk at lists.frameusers.com> > ] P? 
> vegne af Bill Swallow> > Sendt: 25. september 2007 19:22> > Til: Lin Surasky> 
> > Cc: framers at frameusers.com; framers at omsys.com; > > Frame2Acrobat at 
> egroups.com> > Emne: Re: Adobe Unveils Technical Communication Suite> > > > > 
> > Doesn't seem like much of an integration, and certainly isn't > > 
> single-sourcing given you can't round-trip the RH content > > back to FM. 
> It's a repurposing solution.> > > > On 9/25/07, Lin Surasky  retalix.com> wrote:> > >> > > > According to Adobe's web site, RH 7 
> "integration" is > > one-way .fm or > > > > .mif file import. If this is 
> true, it is not integration > > in my book.> > > >> > >> > > Nor is it any 
> sort of improvement on the pre-Adobe versions, which > > > imported MIF files 
> at least since X5, if not before then> > > > -- > > Bill Swallow> > HATT 
> List Owner> > WWP-Users List Owner> > Senior Member STC, TechValley Chapter> 
> > STC Single-Sourcing SIG Manager > > http://techcommdood.blogspot.com > > 
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