Re: Reply vs. Reply All (Was TOUGH ONE)
Mike Wickham wrote: Like Michael, I often send replies to the original poster only, and not to the forum. It's not intentional. It's just that, of all the fora I visit on the Web, this is the only one that is not set by default to reply to the group. I never have to use the Reply All button anywhere else, so I almost always forget and hit the Reply button out of habit. I've been caught by that, too, but (sometimes embarrassingly) I've been caught by other aspects of e-mail addressing. Specifically, it's possible for a message to have a Reply-To address that is different from the sender's address. It's possible for a message to have a long list of recipients that is truncated by the display settings of the mail client you're using. If you're not careful, you can end up replying to a lot of people who never wrote to you. I have developed the habit of ALWAYS checking who is going to get a message before I even start composing it. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product. Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Reply vs. Reply All (Was TOUGH ONE)
Mike Wickham wrote: > Like Michael, I often send replies to the original poster only, and not > to the forum. It's not intentional. It's just that, of all the fora I > visit on the Web, this is the only one that is not set by default to > reply to the group. I never have to use the Reply All button anywhere > else, so I almost always forget and hit the Reply button out of habit. I've been caught by that, too, but (sometimes embarrassingly) I've been caught by other aspects of e-mail addressing. Specifically, it's possible for a message to have a Reply-To address that is different from the sender's address. It's possible for a message to have a long list of recipients that is truncated by the display settings of the mail client you're using. If you're not careful, you can end up "replying" to a lot of people who never wrote to you. I have developed the habit of ALWAYS checking who is going to get a message before I even start composing it. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "Developers explain How the Product Works. Technical writers explain How to Work the Product." Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5
Re: TOUGH ONE
You're welcome, Michael. Once again you've only replied to me, rather than to the list. You need to understand that this is a shared community in which whoever knows something to contribute, does contribute. Writing only to one community member puts the work on that person, and also closes off the possibility that others may have more useful information for you. You're correct that you should have disclosed more detail about the complex task you're working on. You don't say how you're scripting - FrameScript, FrameAC, or some other tool. There are many skilled users of both tools in the FrameMaker user community who could probably offer you some paths to solutions as free advice, or as paid custom scripting help. I do not know any of the scripting tools. Further, it seems that you may not have any identifying characteristic for the paragraphs that need the special attention, or at least that the decision about when to apply the special attributes to a paragraph isn't available in the paragraph or its format. For this kind of work, perhaps structured FrameMaker would work. It's able to check rules that you set up, and apply formatting and other changes. For example, if you want the last paragraph in a numbered or bulleted list to have extra space after, you can write this into the EDD, and FrameMaker's rules-checker will do it. This means that you only need to apply one format for all list items, instead one for the regular items, and a special one for the last. Similarly, a rule can identify the first item in a numbered list, and apply the equivalent of n=1, and apply the equivalent of n+ to all the others. When you move items in the sequence, the rules recheck the list and apply the first-item rule to the new first item, and the last-item rule to the new last item. Taking on the task of migrating to structure isn't trivial, but if you're already willing to invest in learning scripting, you might find advantages to learning the structured approach. There are many skilled structure folks in the community who can help you when you get stuck. I'm copying this to the list, for others to see, and perhaps comment upon. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Michael Zaichenko wrote: Peter, thanks for such an extensive answer. I took notes. Sorry for not telling you at the start, I'm quite advanced in FrameMaker and been scripting for years. It is as well my omission to not tell you I'm looking for a scripting solution to this pbm. See, what I'm trying to resolve here is a separate page or a spread where only one property of each (no necessarily consecutive) paragraph (not necessarily similarly tagged) has to change independently of the rest of the properties (this would need to be done on several files). Like if you would copy and paste paragraph properties but only selected ones. I'm developing a script to do this thing and I'm half way with it - storing needed attributed in an .ini file. The bug I'm running into is that I can't replace properties in the property list or apply only those from the .ini file. .ini file contains strings like 'PROPERTY KeepWithNext(0)' See what I mean? Sorry for not being clear at the start. Michael From: Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Zaichenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TOUGH ONE Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:52:05 -0600 Hi, Michael: (PLEASE NOTE: It's always a good idea to reply to the list, or both the list and the person, rather than replying only to the person. This helps share the information as well as the effort of responding to follow-on questions.) Thanks for your question. I took a closer look at the help documentation and noticed - actually, I didn't notice - the important missing step: To modify specific paragraph or character attributes across several different character or paragraph formats: NOTE: Always experiment on saved copies, not on your only good versions of the files. * Select the paragraph formats you want to modify. If they are not consecutive, rearrange or re-tag a series of paragraphs to suit your needs. * Open the appropriate designer (Paragraph, Character, or Table - YES!!! you can redefine tables the same way.) * The missing step: Choose Commands Set Window to As Is. This makes all the properties in the designer become no change. * Choose the property page you need, Basic, Default Font, etc. Set the specific attribute or attributes on that property page as you need. * Click Update All. * In the Global Update Options dialog box that appears, choose (Name of the property page) Only (Don't choose All Properties). The selected paragraphs (characters, tables) are defined to the new property attribute(s) of this one property page. * Change to another property page, again choose Commands Set Window to As Is, and repeat with this and any other property pages you need. When you're done with these changes and have decided
Reply vs. Reply All (Was TOUGH ONE)
Once again you've only replied to me, rather than to the list. You need to understand that this is a shared community in which whoever knows something to contribute, does contribute. Writing only to one community member puts the work on that person, and also closes off the possibility that others may have more useful information for you. Like Michael, I often send replies to the original poster only, and not to the forum. It's not intentional. It's just that, of all the fora I visit on the Web, this is the only one that is not set by default to reply to the group. I never have to use the Reply All button anywhere else, so I almost always forget and hit the Reply button out of habit. I think it's silly that a person has to enter the FrameUsers address manually in a reply (once you've started composing, it's the only way to add it), or remember to hit a different button (Reply All) _before_ you compose a reply to the forum. I wish the forum default setting was changed in this regard. But I know the topic has come up before and some feel it's more important to be sure the original poster gets a direct copy of the reply, rather than the forum. So there's the trade-off. Mike Wickham P.S. It was only at the last moment that I remembered to manaully addthe FrameUsers address into this reply, or you alone would have seen it! ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TOUGH ONE
Peter thanks again, Problem was in that I'm not a pro-e-mail/internet user, lol, and sometimes I'm not even aware if I infoed anyone else. I'm putting this one to the list. :-) Now, to the subject. You are right - it is worth looking into Structured Frame. I'm only about half-aware of it's possibilities. Will need some learning. I solved this 'one-property' copying/pasting problem by creating a command at Frame Initialization that creates a script which stores specified settings, each time I press a shortcut key and runs it with a press of another key. It works with any one or a set of properties and applies only this one or more properties without affecting the rest of them. If anyone interested, I can send it to them. It is FrameScript 4.1. I tried AC but couldn't figure out the objects and methods easily (in actual fact I didn't do much with it when I had a trial version). Michael From: Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Zaichenko [EMAIL PROTECTED], framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: TOUGH ONE Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:40:39 -0600 You're welcome, Michael. Once again you've only replied to me, rather than to the list. You need to understand that this is a shared community in which whoever knows something to contribute, does contribute. Writing only to one community member puts the work on that person, and also closes off the possibility that others may have more useful information for you. You're correct that you should have disclosed more detail about the complex task you're working on. You don't say how you're scripting - FrameScript, FrameAC, or some other tool. There are many skilled users of both tools in the FrameMaker user community who could probably offer you some paths to solutions as free advice, or as paid custom scripting help. I do not know any of the scripting tools. Further, it seems that you may not have any identifying characteristic for the paragraphs that need the special attention, or at least that the decision about when to apply the special attributes to a paragraph isn't available in the paragraph or its format. For this kind of work, perhaps structured FrameMaker would work. It's able to check rules that you set up, and apply formatting and other changes. For example, if you want the last paragraph in a numbered or bulleted list to have extra space after, you can write this into the EDD, and FrameMaker's rules-checker will do it. This means that you only need to apply one format for all list items, instead one for the regular items, and a special one for the last. Similarly, a rule can identify the first item in a numbered list, and apply the equivalent of n=1, and apply the equivalent of n+ to all the others. When you move items in the sequence, the rules recheck the list and apply the first-item rule to the new first item, and the last-item rule to the new last item. Taking on the task of migrating to structure isn't trivial, but if you're already willing to invest in learning scripting, you might find advantages to learning the structured approach. There are many skilled structure folks in the community who can help you when you get stuck. I'm copying this to the list, for others to see, and perhaps comment upon. Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Michael Zaichenko wrote: Peter, thanks for such an extensive answer. I took notes. Sorry for not telling you at the start, I'm quite advanced in FrameMaker and been scripting for years. It is as well my omission to not tell you I'm looking for a scripting solution to this pbm. See, what I'm trying to resolve here is a separate page or a spread where only one property of each (no necessarily consecutive) paragraph (not necessarily similarly tagged) has to change independently of the rest of the properties (this would need to be done on several files). Like if you would copy and paste paragraph properties but only selected ones. I'm developing a script to do this thing and I'm half way with it - storing needed attributed in an .ini file. The bug I'm running into is that I can't replace properties in the property list or apply only those from the .ini file. .ini file contains strings like 'PROPERTY KeepWithNext(0)' See what I mean? Sorry for not being clear at the start. Michael From: Peter Gold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Zaichenko [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: TOUGH ONE Date: Fri, 26 Jan 2007 17:52:05 -0600 Hi, Michael: (PLEASE NOTE: It's always a good idea to reply to the list, or both the list and the person, rather than replying only to the person. This helps share the information as well as the effort of responding to follow-on questions.) Thanks for your question. I took a closer look at the help documentation and noticed - actually, I didn't notice - the important missing step: To modify specific paragraph or character attributes across several different character or paragraph formats: NOTE: Always
TOUGH ONE
You're welcome, Michael. Once again you've only replied to me, rather than to the list. You need to understand that this is a shared community in which whoever knows something to contribute, does contribute. Writing only to one community member puts the work on that person, and also closes off the possibility that others may have more useful information for you. You're correct that you should have disclosed more detail about the complex task you're working on. You don't say how you're scripting - FrameScript, FrameAC, or some other tool. There are many skilled users of both tools in the FrameMaker user community who could probably offer you some paths to solutions as free advice, or as paid custom scripting help. I do not know any of the scripting tools. Further, it seems that you may not have any identifying characteristic for the paragraphs that need the special attention, or at least that the decision about when to apply the special attributes to a paragraph isn't available in the paragraph or its format. For this kind of work, perhaps structured FrameMaker would work. It's able to check rules that you set up, and apply formatting and other changes. For example, if you want the last paragraph in a numbered or bulleted list to have extra space after, you can write this into the EDD, and FrameMaker's rules-checker will do it. This means that you only need to apply one format for all list items, instead one for the "regular" items, and a special one for the last. Similarly, a rule can identify the first item in a numbered list, and apply the equivalent of
Reply vs. Reply All (Was TOUGH ONE)
> Once again you've only replied to me, rather than to the list. You need to > understand that this is a shared community in which whoever knows > something to contribute, does contribute. Writing only to one community > member puts the work on that person, and also closes off the possibility > that others may have more useful information for you. Like Michael, I often send replies to the original poster only, and not to the forum. It's not intentional. It's just that, of all the fora I visit on the Web, this is the only one that is not set by default to reply to the group. I never have to use the Reply All button anywhere else, so I almost always forget and hit the Reply button out of habit. I think it's silly that a person has to enter the FrameUsers address manually in a reply (once you've started composing, it's the only way to add it), or remember to hit a different button (Reply All) _before_ you compose a reply to the forum. I wish the forum default setting was changed in this regard. But I know the topic has come up before and some feel it's more important to be sure the original poster gets a direct copy of the reply, rather than the forum. So there's the trade-off. Mike Wickham P.S. It was only at the last moment that I remembered to manaully addthe FrameUsers address into this reply, or you alone would have seen it!
TOUGH ONE
Peter thanks again, Problem was in that I'm not a pro-e-mail/internet user, lol, and sometimes I'm not even aware if I infoed anyone else. I'm putting this one to the list. :-) Now, to the subject. You are right - it is worth looking into Structured Frame. I'm only about half-aware of it's possibilities. Will need some learning. I solved this 'one-property' copying/pasting problem by creating a command at Frame Initialization that creates a script which stores specified settings, each time I press a shortcut key and runs it with a press of another key. It works with any one or a set of properties and applies only this one or more properties without affecting the rest of them. If anyone interested, I can send it to them. It is FrameScript 4.1. I tried AC but couldn't figure out the objects and methods easily (in actual fact I didn't do much with it when I had a trial version). Michael >From: Peter Gold >To: Michael Zaichenko , >framers at lists.frameusers.com >Subject: Re: TOUGH ONE >Date: Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:40:39 -0600 > >You're welcome, Michael. > >Once again you've only replied to me, rather than to the list. You need to >understand that this is a shared community in which whoever knows something >to contribute, does contribute. Writing only to one community member puts >the work on that person, and also closes off the possibility that others >may have more useful information for you. > >You're correct that you should have disclosed more detail about the complex >task you're working on. You don't say how you're scripting - FrameScript, >FrameAC, or some other tool. There are many skilled users of both tools in >the FrameMaker user community who could probably offer you some paths to >solutions as free advice, or as paid custom scripting help. I do not know >any of the scripting tools. > >Further, it seems that you may not have any identifying characteristic for >the paragraphs that need the special attention, or at least that the >decision about when to apply the special attributes to a paragraph isn't >available in the paragraph or its format. For this kind of work, perhaps >structured FrameMaker would work. It's able to check rules that you set up, >and apply formatting and other changes. For example, if you want the last >paragraph in a numbered or bulleted list to have extra space after, you can >write this into the EDD, and FrameMaker's rules-checker will do it. This >means that you only need to apply one format for all list items, instead >one for the "regular" items, and a special one for the last. Similarly, a >rule can identify the first item in a numbered list, and apply the >equivalent of
TOUGH ONE
Hello there, Looking for a way to copy one property of a paragraph? like it's spacebelow or keepwithnext? and paste it over to many other paragraphs. BUT ONLY ONE PROPERTY. Braincracker, huh? Michael _ Ta' på udsalg året rundt på MSN Shopping: http://shopping.msn.dk - her finder du altid de bedste priser ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: TOUGH ONE
Not so tough if you broaden your request just a tad. You can apply a single formatting property to multiple paragraphs, but you don't do it by copying and pasting. If the paragraphs are consecutive, simply select them all as a block and open the Paragraph Designer. The designer will only display specific properties that are common to all selected paragraphs, but this isn't quite generic enough. Use the Set Window to As Is command to set *everything* to As Is. Then set the one property you want to change and click Apply (*NOT* Update All). Only that one property will be changed. If the paragraphs are not all consecutive, use exactly the same procedure for the first paragraph or block of paragraphs. Then use F4 to apply the same paragraph formatting (As Is except for the single property you are changing) to any other paragraphs you want to change. Of course this applies the formatting as an override. If you want to change the definition of the paragraph formats, you want to look into the Global Updates Options. My opinions only; I don't speak for Intel. Fred Ridder (fred dot ridder at intel dot com) Intel Parsippany, NJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Zaichenko Sent: Friday, January 26, 2007 5:01 PM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: TOUGH ONE Hello there, Looking for a way to copy one property of a paragraph? like it's spacebelow or keepwithnext? and paste it over to many other paragraphs. BUT ONLY ONE PROPERTY. Braincracker, huh? Michael _ Ta' på udsalg året rundt på MSN Shopping: http://shopping.msn.dk - her finder du altid de bedste priser ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: TOUGH ONE
Hi, Michael: Search for Globally applying formats to text in FrameMaker's help. HTH Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices Michael Zaichenko wrote: Hello there, Looking for a way to copy one property of a paragraph? like it's spacebelow or keepwithnext? and paste it over to many other paragraphs. BUT ONLY ONE PROPERTY. Braincracker, huh? Michael ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
