Table footnote numbering

2008-11-27 Thread Alan Litchfield
Thanks Richard,

Combs, Richard wrote:
>> How I can start footnote numbering for a single table for any other
> value
>> than
>> 1/a?
>
> For one table, but not others? I don't think you can do that with real
> footnotes.

Hmm what I thought :(

>
> You can specify custom numbering -- go to Format > Document > Numbering
>> Table Footnote and set Format to Custom. In the Custom Numbering
> dialog, enter the sequence of letters/numbers/symbols you want to use
> (in order of use).

This I know :)



> You can probably fake it using superscripted hypertext links to pgfs in
> a borderless straddled cell at the bottom of the table. But it would be
> a manual and fussy task.
>
> I'd rethink the idea if I were you -- but then, I'm particularly averse
> to manual and fussy. ;-)

Me too ;)

It's just that I have two tables on one page (both tables span pages, the
first starts on the previous page and the second finishes on the succeeding
page). Both tables have footnotes and so both have the same sequence of
letters. This may be a source of confusion for some readers because the letter
"a" for the first footnote in the first table is on the previous page and the
footnote is on the current page, but the first footnote in the second table
appears on the succeeding page but its letter "a" is on the current page.

Therefore you have a table footnote on the current page and a letter "a" too,
but they relate to different footnotes and tables. I know the footnote appears
*above* the letter "a", but one can never under-estimate the lack of
comprehension of some readers.

So I wanted to start the second table where the first table's footnote
numbering left off. Sheesh that's hard to describe clearly.

So far this is the only instance, but the book will be over 1000 pages before
it is done and there are tables on 75% of them.

Looks like I'm going to have to live with it, again.

Alan




Table footnote numbering

2008-11-27 Thread Alan Litchfield
Hi all,

How I can start footnote numbering for a single table for any other value than
1/a?

Of course the ideal would be to be able to have different footnote numbering
styles for individual tables :(

Cheers
Alan



Table footnote numbering

2008-11-26 Thread Combs, Richard
Alan Litchfield wrote:

> It's just that I have two tables on one page (both tables span pages,
the
> first starts on the previous page and the second finishes on the
succeeding
> page). Both tables have footnotes and so both have the same sequence
of
> letters. This may be a source of confusion for some readers because
the
> letter
> "a" for the first footnote in the first table is on the previous page
and
> the
> footnote is on the current page, but the first footnote in the second
table
> appears on the succeeding page but its letter "a" is on the current
page.
> 
> Therefore you have a table footnote on the current page and a letter
"a"
> too,
> but they relate to different footnotes and tables. I know the footnote
> appears
> *above* the letter "a", but one can never under-estimate the lack of
> comprehension of some readers.

I think you can justify living with it. Assuming these aren't the first
tables with footnotes in this book, your readers will have had the
opportunity to learn by previous examples that table footnotes always
appear at the bottom of the table. 

If there is any intervening text between the two tables (even just a
heading or table title), I think the chances of a normally functional
human being getting confused are pretty close to nil. 

Trying to guard against the rare exception may lead you afoul of a
corollary to Baker's Paradox: 

"Any procedure that anticipates every possible misunderstanding will be
incomprehensible to all users."
-- Mark Baker

IMHO, YMMV, etc. 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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RE: Table footnote numbering

2008-11-26 Thread Combs, Richard
Alan Litchfield wrote:
 
> It's just that I have two tables on one page (both tables span pages,
the
> first starts on the previous page and the second finishes on the
succeeding
> page). Both tables have footnotes and so both have the same sequence
of
> letters. This may be a source of confusion for some readers because
the
> letter
> "a" for the first footnote in the first table is on the previous page
and
> the
> footnote is on the current page, but the first footnote in the second
table
> appears on the succeeding page but its letter "a" is on the current
page.
> 
> Therefore you have a table footnote on the current page and a letter
"a"
> too,
> but they relate to different footnotes and tables. I know the footnote
> appears
> *above* the letter "a", but one can never under-estimate the lack of
> comprehension of some readers.

I think you can justify living with it. Assuming these aren't the first
tables with footnotes in this book, your readers will have had the
opportunity to learn by previous examples that table footnotes always
appear at the bottom of the table. 

If there is any intervening text between the two tables (even just a
heading or table title), I think the chances of a normally functional
human being getting confused are pretty close to nil. 

Trying to guard against the rare exception may lead you afoul of a
corollary to Baker's Paradox: 

"Any procedure that anticipates every possible misunderstanding will be
incomprehensible to all users."
-- Mark Baker

IMHO, YMMV, etc. 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--






 

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Table footnote numbering

2008-11-26 Thread Combs, Richard
Alan Litchfield wrote:

> How I can start footnote numbering for a single table for any other
value
> than
> 1/a?

For one table, but not others? I don't think you can do that with real
footnotes. 

You can specify custom numbering -- go to Format > Document > Numbering
> Table Footnote and set Format to Custom. In the Custom Numbering
dialog, enter the sequence of letters/numbers/symbols you want to use
(in order of use). But table footnote numbering always starts over with
each table, and each table's footnotes will use that same sequence.

You can probably fake it using superscripted hypertext links to pgfs in
a borderless straddled cell at the bottom of the table. But it would be
a manual and fussy task. 

I'd rethink the idea if I were you -- but then, I'm particularly averse
to manual and fussy. ;-) 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
--








RE: Table footnote numbering

2008-11-26 Thread Alan Litchfield
Thanks Richard,

Combs, Richard wrote:
>> How I can start footnote numbering for a single table for any other
> value
>> than
>> 1/a?
>
> For one table, but not others? I don't think you can do that with real
> footnotes.

Hmm what I thought :(

>
> You can specify custom numbering -- go to Format > Document > Numbering
>> Table Footnote and set Format to Custom. In the Custom Numbering
> dialog, enter the sequence of letters/numbers/symbols you want to use
> (in order of use).

This I know :)



> You can probably fake it using superscripted hypertext links to pgfs in
> a borderless straddled cell at the bottom of the table. But it would be
> a manual and fussy task.
>
> I'd rethink the idea if I were you -- but then, I'm particularly averse
> to manual and fussy. ;-)

Me too ;)

It's just that I have two tables on one page (both tables span pages, the
first starts on the previous page and the second finishes on the succeeding
page). Both tables have footnotes and so both have the same sequence of
letters. This may be a source of confusion for some readers because the letter
"a" for the first footnote in the first table is on the previous page and the
footnote is on the current page, but the first footnote in the second table
appears on the succeeding page but its letter "a" is on the current page.

Therefore you have a table footnote on the current page and a letter "a" too,
but they relate to different footnotes and tables. I know the footnote appears
*above* the letter "a", but one can never under-estimate the lack of
comprehension of some readers.

So I wanted to start the second table where the first table's footnote
numbering left off. Sheesh that's hard to describe clearly.

So far this is the only instance, but the book will be over 1000 pages before
it is done and there are tables on 75% of them.

Looks like I'm going to have to live with it, again.

Alan


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RE: Table footnote numbering

2008-11-26 Thread Combs, Richard
Alan Litchfield wrote:
 
> How I can start footnote numbering for a single table for any other
value
> than
> 1/a?

For one table, but not others? I don't think you can do that with real
footnotes. 

You can specify custom numbering -- go to Format > Document > Numbering
> Table Footnote and set Format to Custom. In the Custom Numbering
dialog, enter the sequence of letters/numbers/symbols you want to use
(in order of use). But table footnote numbering always starts over with
each table, and each table's footnotes will use that same sequence.

You can probably fake it using superscripted hypertext links to pgfs in
a borderless straddled cell at the bottom of the table. But it would be
a manual and fussy task. 

I'd rethink the idea if I were you -- but then, I'm particularly averse
to manual and fussy. ;-) 

Richard


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom
303-223-5111
--
rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom
303-777-0436
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Table footnote numbering

2008-11-26 Thread Alan Litchfield
Hi all,

How I can start footnote numbering for a single table for any other value than
1/a?

Of course the ideal would be to be able to have different footnote numbering
styles for individual tables :(

Cheers
Alan

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