Re: XML Cross-reference Problem
Karen, It seems that you are creating XML from unstructured FrameMaker. I will also add my two cents that you have more options if you migrate to structured FM to create XML. But, if you still want to continue creating XML from unstructured FrameMaker (I am sure there are reasons), look in the XML Reference pages of your document. You should have a table there that allows you to specify Cross Reference Macros with building blocks and customize the text that appears in your xrefs. If you have not modified the table yet, it should look like this: See Also See <$paratext> I don't know if this is documented and I have not tried it with XML but it is similar process as exporting to HTML using the FrameMaker build-in filter. --tassos Karen West wrote on 12/1/2005, 5:54 AM: > Hi, > > I produce documentation using Framemaker 7.0 and we are now attempting to > get all of our documentation online in a help system, using a tool > written > in-house with our own software (a 4GL called Cyberscreen). My part in > this > is to save the individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a > .xml and > .css for each chapter, plus make sure all the images are saved as gifs > etc. > The problem we are having is with cross-references. They usually > appear in > the Frame document as 'see heading on page nn' or 'see chapter x > on page > nn'. In the help system we want them to appear as text only hyperlinks to > the relevant section of the help. The Framemaker xml file simply has > an > pointing to a location in the document. There are hundreds of these > throughout the manuals, and for most of them there is no "implied" > text. For > example: > > > Manage the help facility using the HM utility. See href="hm.xml#id(31807)" xml:link="simple" show="replace" actuate="user" > CLASS="XRef"> > page 147 > > > Does anyone have any suggestions how we can get proper links into the xml > documents? > > TIA > > Karen > Technical Writer > Cyberscience Corp UK > http://www.cyberscience.com > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tassos123%40aol.com > > Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- --- Tassos Anastasiou FrameMaker, FDK, XMetaL, XSLT, XML development and training (650) 322-9988 http://members.aol.com/tassos123/ ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
XML Cross-reference Problem
Karen, It seems that you are creating XML from unstructured FrameMaker. I will also add my two cents that you have more options if you migrate to structured FM to create XML. But, if you still want to continue creating XML from unstructured FrameMaker (I am sure there are reasons), look in the XML Reference pages of your document. You should have a table there that allows you to specify Cross Reference Macros with building blocks and customize the text that appears in your xrefs. If you have not modified the table yet, it should look like this: See Also See <$paratext> I don't know if this is documented and I have not tried it with XML but it is similar process as exporting to HTML using the FrameMaker build-in filter. --tassos Karen West wrote on 12/1/2005, 5:54 AM: > Hi, > > I produce documentation using Framemaker 7.0 and we are now attempting to > get all of our documentation online in a help system, using a tool > written > in-house with our own software (a 4GL called Cyberscreen). My part in > this > is to save the individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a > .xml and > .css for each chapter, plus make sure all the images are saved as gifs > etc. > The problem we are having is with cross-references. They usually > appear in > the Frame document as 'see heading on page nn' or 'see chapter x > on page > nn'. In the help system we want them to appear as text only hyperlinks to > the relevant section of the help. The Framemaker xml file simply has > an > pointing to a location in the document. There are hundreds of these > throughout the manuals, and for most of them there is no "implied" > text. For > example: > > > Manage the help facility using the HM utility. See href="hm.xml#id(31807)" xml:link="simple" show="replace" actuate="user" > CLASS="XRef"> > page 147 > > > Does anyone have any suggestions how we can get proper links into the xml > documents? > > TIA > > Karen > Technical Writer > Cyberscience Corp UK > http://www.cyberscience.com > > ___ > > > You are currently subscribed to Framers as tassos123 at aol.com. > > To unsubscribe send a blank email to > framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com > or visit > http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/tassos123%40aol.com > > Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit > http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > -- --- Tassos Anastasiou FrameMaker, FDK, XMetaL, XSLT, XML development and training (650) 322-9988 http://members.aol.com/tassos123/
XML Cross-reference Problem
Mike Feimster wrote: >> I agree with Bernard that XML from regular FrameMaker has >> limited usefulness. If you generate XML from structured >> Frame, you have many more options. Shlomo Perets replied: > True, but not necessarily with FM7.0, and not without some effort... Thanks everyone, it looks like an upgrade and a lot of effort on my part is in order to convert my existing documents to structured Frame. Can anyone recommend any good books on Structured FrameMaker? I already have 'FrameMaker 7 The complete Reference'. Will this do, or do I need a 7.1 or 7.2 Structured FrameMaker book? TIA Karen
XML Cross-reference Problem
Hi, I produce documentation using Framemaker 7.0 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL called Cyberscreen). My part in this is to save the individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter, plus make sure all the images are saved as gifs etc. The problem we are having is with cross-references. They usually appear in the Frame document as 'see heading on page nn' or 'see chapter x on page nn'. In the help system we want them to appear as text only hyperlinks to the relevant section of the help. The Framemaker xml file simply has an pointing to a location in the document. There are hundreds of these throughout the manuals, and for most of them there is no "implied" text. For example: Manage the help facility using the HM utility. See page 147 Does anyone have any suggestions how we can get proper links into the xml documents? TIA Karen Technical Writer Cyberscience Corp UK http://www.cyberscience.com
XML Cross-reference Problem
Hi, Karen: Look into the "Migrating from Unstructured to Structured FrameMaker" link at http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/indepth.html >Thanks everyone, it looks like an upgrade and a lot of effort on my part is >in order to convert my existing documents to structured Frame. Can anyone >recommend any good books on Structured FrameMaker? I already have >'FrameMaker 7 The complete Reference'. Will this do, or do I need a 7.1 or >7.2 Structured FrameMaker book? -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices peter at knowhowpro.com
XML Cross-reference Problem
Karen, It looks like the first A tag () is a destination anchor. That is why there is no text associated with it. The second A tag (page 147 ) appears to be a hyperlink. The text you click is the phrase "page 147". I aggree with Bernard that XML from regular FrameMaker has limited usefullness. If you generate XML from structured Frame, you have many more options. Mike -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+mike.feimster=acstechnologies@lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+mike.feimster=acstechnologies.com at lists.frameusers.c om] On Behalf Of Karen West Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:54 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: XML Cross-reference Problem Hi, I produce documentation using Framemaker 7.0 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL called Cyberscreen). My part in this is to save the individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter, plus make sure all the images are saved as gifs etc. The problem we are having is with cross-references. They usually appear in the Frame document as 'see heading on page nn' or 'see chapter x on page nn'. In the help system we want them to appear as text only hyperlinks to the relevant section of the help. The Framemaker xml file simply has an pointing to a location in the document. There are hundreds of these throughout the manuals, and for most of them there is no "implied" text. For example: Manage the help facility using the HM utility. See page 147 Does anyone have any suggestions how we can get proper links into the xml documents? TIA Karen Technical Writer Cyberscience Corp UK http://www.cyberscience.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as mike.feimster at acstechnologies.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mike.feimster%40acstechn ologies.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
XML Cross-reference Problem
If you are creating XML from 'unstructured' Frame then you are going to run into this and many other issues. To simply create XML for the sake of XML is likely a poor approach to take. Save As gives you output, but the output is restricted by what FrameMaker defaults to. If you have structured files you can exercise a great deal of control over the output. If you have FM 7.2 then you can also pre/post process the XML files that are generated. Can you expand on how you build the XML? Is my guess that you 'save as' from unstructured Frame correct? If not and you are using structured Frame you will need an application file and you will also need to set up Read/Write rules. If you (or anyone else on the list) are interested, send me an email (but don't send it to the entire list) and I can provide a PDF file that walks you through building a very simple, but fully functional, set of files to convert content to and from XML. There is a simple sample (cool, only one vowel difference) that I use which can get someone working with this pretty quickly. This is not a replacement for what you have and shouldn't be seen as a complete solution, but at least it introduces the concept of building structured files, working with XML, developing an EDD, setting up an application file and more. It's a good starting point. The notes are still rough, but they are based on the hands on seminar I did at the FrameMaker Chautauqua this year and I'll likely deliver it in a couple of other places over the next year or so. Good luck, Bernard Bernard Aschwanden Publishing Technologies Expert Publishing Smarter bernard at publishingsmarter.com www.publishingsmarter.com -Original Message- From: framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter.com at lists.frameusers.com [mailto:framers-bounces+bernard=publishingsmarter@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Karen West Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:54 AM To: framers at lists.frameusers.com Subject: XML Cross-reference Problem Hi, I produce documentation using Framemaker 7.0 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL called Cyberscreen). My part in this is to save the individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter, plus make sure all the images are saved as gifs etc. The problem we are having is with cross-references. They usually appear in the Frame document as 'see heading on page nn' or 'see chapter x on page nn'. In the help system we want them to appear as text only hyperlinks to the relevant section of the help. The Framemaker xml file simply has an pointing to a location in the document. There are hundreds of these throughout the manuals, and for most of them there is no "implied" text. For example: Manage the help facility using the HM utility. See page 147 Does anyone have any suggestions how we can get proper links into the xml documents? TIA Karen Technical Writer Cyberscience Corp UK http://www.cyberscience.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as bernard at publishingsmarter.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernard%40publishingsmarter.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: XML Cross-reference Problem
Hi, Karen: Look into the "Migrating from Unstructured to Structured FrameMaker" link at http://www.adobe.com/products/framemaker/indepth.html Thanks everyone, it looks like an upgrade and a lot of effort on my part is in order to convert my existing documents to structured Frame. Can anyone recommend any good books on Structured FrameMaker? I already have 'FrameMaker 7 The complete Reference'. Will this do, or do I need a 7.1 or 7.2 Structured FrameMaker book? -- Regards, Peter Gold KnowHow ProServices [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: XML Cross-reference Problem
Mike Feimster wrote: >> I agree with Bernard that XML from regular FrameMaker has >> limited usefulness. If you generate XML from structured >> Frame, you have many more options. Shlomo Perets replied: > True, but not necessarily with FM7.0, and not without some effort... Thanks everyone, it looks like an upgrade and a lot of effort on my part is in order to convert my existing documents to structured Frame. Can anyone recommend any good books on Structured FrameMaker? I already have 'FrameMaker 7 The complete Reference'. Will this do, or do I need a 7.1 or 7.2 Structured FrameMaker book? TIA Karen ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: XML Cross-reference Problem
Karen, I assume you are working with structured FrameMaker documents? As I understand your question, you want to produce XML that has both the cross-reference text and the attributes that identify the link for each cross-reference. FrameMaker does not write the cross-reference text to XML, because it is a result of formatting and is subject to change as the document is edited. If your cross-reference formats don't contain information such as page numbers which are specific to FrameMaker formatting, you can use XSLT to recreate the cross-reference text. Given your "page 147" example, though, you do want FrameMaker-specific information. A custom FDK client can generate the text you want. --Lynne At 05:54 AM 12/1/2005, Karen West wrote: I produce documentation using Framemaker 7.0 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL called Cyberscreen). My part in this is to save the individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter, plus make sure all the images are saved as gifs etc. The problem we are having is with cross-references. They usually appear in the Frame document as 'see heading on page nn' or 'see chapter x on page nn'. In the help system we want them to appear as text only hyperlinks to the relevant section of the help. The Framemaker xml file simply has an pointing to a location in the document. There are hundreds of these throughout the manuals, and for most of them there is no "implied" text. For example: Manage the help facility using the HM utility. See page 147 Does anyone have any suggestions how we can get proper links into the xml documents? TIA Karen Technical Writer Cyberscience Corp UK http://www.cyberscience.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lprice%40txstruct.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
XML Cross-reference Problem
Karen, I assume you are working with structured FrameMaker documents? As I understand your question, you want to produce XML that has both the cross-reference text and the attributes that identify the link for each cross-reference. FrameMaker does not write the cross-reference text to XML, because it is a result of formatting and is subject to change as the document is edited. If your cross-reference formats don't contain information such as page numbers which are specific to FrameMaker formatting, you can use XSLT to recreate the cross-reference text. Given your "page 147" example, though, you do want FrameMaker-specific information. A custom FDK client can generate the text you want. --Lynne At 05:54 AM 12/1/2005, Karen West wrote: >I produce documentation using Framemaker 7.0 and we are now attempting to >get all of our documentation online in a help system, using a tool written >in-house with our own software (a 4GL called Cyberscreen). My part in this >is to save the individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and >.css for each chapter, plus make sure all the images are saved as gifs etc. >The problem we are having is with cross-references. They usually appear in >the Frame document as 'see heading on page nn' or 'see chapter x on page >nn'. In the help system we want them to appear as text only hyperlinks to >the relevant section of the help. The Framemaker xml file simply has an >pointing to a location in the document. There are hundreds of these >throughout the manuals, and for most of them there is no "implied" text. For >example: > > >Manage the help facility using the HM utility. See href="hm.xml#id(31807)" xml:link="simple" show="replace" actuate="user" >CLASS="XRef"> >page 147 > > >Does anyone have any suggestions how we can get proper links into the xml >documents? > >TIA > >Karen >Technical Writer >Cyberscience Corp UK >http://www.cyberscience.com > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as lprice at txstruct.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/lprice%40txstruct.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. Lynne A. Price Text Structure Consulting, Inc. Specializing in structured FrameMaker consulting, application development, and training lprice at txstruct.comhttp://www.txstruct.com voice/fax: (510) 583-1505 cell phone: (510) 421-2284
XML Cross-reference Problem
Mike Feimster wrote: > I agree with Bernard that XML from regular FrameMaker has limited > usefulness. If you generate XML from structured Frame, you have many more > options. True, but not necessarily with FM7.0, and not without some effort... For more info, see "Getting external cross-references to work in FrameMaker 7.1" by Alistair Christie http://www.itauthor.com/authtools/framemaker/FMexternalXrefs Additional references available at http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF & Technical Indexing seminars
XML Cross-reference Problem
Mike Feimster wrote: > I agree with Bernard that XML from regular FrameMaker has limited > usefulness. If you generate XML from structured Frame, you have many more > options. True, but not necessarily with FM7.0, and not without some effort... For more info, see "Getting external cross-references to work in FrameMaker 7.1" by Alistair Christie http://www.itauthor.com/authtools/framemaker/FMexternalXrefs Additional references available at http://www.microtype.com/FM_bugs.html Shlomo Perets MicroType, http://www.microtype.com * ToolbarPlus Express for FrameMaker FrameMaker/Acrobat training & consulting * FrameMaker-to-Acrobat TimeSavers/Assistants Template Design, Single Sourcing, FM-to-PDF & Technical Indexing seminars ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: XML Cross-reference Problem
Karen, It looks like the first A tag () is a destination anchor. That is why there is no text associated with it. The second A tag (page 147 ) appears to be a hyperlink. The text you click is the phrase "page 147". I aggree with Bernard that XML from regular FrameMaker has limited usefullness. If you generate XML from structured Frame, you have many more options. Mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] om] On Behalf Of Karen West Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:54 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: XML Cross-reference Problem Hi, I produce documentation using Framemaker 7.0 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL called Cyberscreen). My part in this is to save the individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter, plus make sure all the images are saved as gifs etc. The problem we are having is with cross-references. They usually appear in the Frame document as 'see heading on page nn' or 'see chapter x on page nn'. In the help system we want them to appear as text only hyperlinks to the relevant section of the help. The Framemaker xml file simply has an pointing to a location in the document. There are hundreds of these throughout the manuals, and for most of them there is no "implied" text. For example: Manage the help facility using the HM utility. See page 147 Does anyone have any suggestions how we can get proper links into the xml documents? TIA Karen Technical Writer Cyberscience Corp UK http://www.cyberscience.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/mike.feimster%40acstechn ologies.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: XML Cross-reference Problem
If you are creating XML from 'unstructured' Frame then you are going to run into this and many other issues. To simply create XML for the sake of XML is likely a poor approach to take. Save As gives you output, but the output is restricted by what FrameMaker defaults to. If you have structured files you can exercise a great deal of control over the output. If you have FM 7.2 then you can also pre/post process the XML files that are generated. Can you expand on how you build the XML? Is my guess that you 'save as' from unstructured Frame correct? If not and you are using structured Frame you will need an application file and you will also need to set up Read/Write rules. If you (or anyone else on the list) are interested, send me an email (but don't send it to the entire list) and I can provide a PDF file that walks you through building a very simple, but fully functional, set of files to convert content to and from XML. There is a simple sample (cool, only one vowel difference) that I use which can get someone working with this pretty quickly. This is not a replacement for what you have and shouldn't be seen as a complete solution, but at least it introduces the concept of building structured files, working with XML, developing an EDD, setting up an application file and more. It's a good starting point. The notes are still rough, but they are based on the hands on seminar I did at the FrameMaker Chautauqua this year and I'll likely deliver it in a couple of other places over the next year or so. Good luck, Bernard Bernard Aschwanden Publishing Technologies Expert Publishing Smarter [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.publishingsmarter.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Karen West Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 8:54 AM To: framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: XML Cross-reference Problem Hi, I produce documentation using Framemaker 7.0 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL called Cyberscreen). My part in this is to save the individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter, plus make sure all the images are saved as gifs etc. The problem we are having is with cross-references. They usually appear in the Frame document as 'see heading on page nn' or 'see chapter x on page nn'. In the help system we want them to appear as text only hyperlinks to the relevant section of the help. The Framemaker xml file simply has an pointing to a location in the document. There are hundreds of these throughout the manuals, and for most of them there is no "implied" text. For example: Manage the help facility using the HM utility. See page 147 Does anyone have any suggestions how we can get proper links into the xml documents? TIA Karen Technical Writer Cyberscience Corp UK http://www.cyberscience.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/bernard%40publishingsmarter.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
XML Cross-reference Problem
Hi, I produce documentation using Framemaker 7.0 and we are now attempting to get all of our documentation online in a help system, using a tool written in-house with our own software (a 4GL called Cyberscreen). My part in this is to save the individual chapters of each book as xml, producing a .xml and .css for each chapter, plus make sure all the images are saved as gifs etc. The problem we are having is with cross-references. They usually appear in the Frame document as 'see heading on page nn' or 'see chapter x on page nn'. In the help system we want them to appear as text only hyperlinks to the relevant section of the help. The Framemaker xml file simply has an pointing to a location in the document. There are hundreds of these throughout the manuals, and for most of them there is no "implied" text. For example: Manage the help facility using the HM utility. See page 147 Does anyone have any suggestions how we can get proper links into the xml documents? TIA Karen Technical Writer Cyberscience Corp UK http://www.cyberscience.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.