Re: [Framers] Printing FM12 to PDF -- Page numbering issue

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Tom,

 

You can do it manually in Acrobat Professional by using the menu under the
Page Thumbnails panel (on the left side of the screen). The command is
called Number Pages. When you get tired of doing it manually, take a look at
my PageLabelerES script. Here is a link to it on my web store; I will send
you the documentation offlist. Thanks.

 

https://www.swreg.org/com/storefront/30731/

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

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Subject: [Framers] Printing FM12 to PDF -- Page numbering issue

 

I recently saw a pdf document that used small Roman numerals for title page
and front matter (per Chicago Manual of Style) with rest of book in normal
numbers. When in the PDF, if you were in the front matter, the page number
in Acrobat/Reader would display the Roman numerals and Numeric when you were
in the rest of the manual, so that the page number in the Reader page
navigation toolbar always matched the actual page in the document. 

For the life of me, I can't figure out how the writer did that (I don't know
if the document was created in FM). If I set front matter pages in Roman
numerals and Chapter pages in Numeric, then print the book to pdf, I only
see consecutive pages in the toolbar (e.g. ii is shown as 2 in the toolbar).


Am I trying to do something that you can't do when printing FM to PDF? 




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection
Business
Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira, NY 14901
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[Framers] Printing FM12 to PDF -- Page numbering issue

[tom . beiswenger]

I recently saw a pdf document that used small Roman numerals for title 
page and front matter (per Chicago Manual of Style) with rest of book in 
normal numbers. When in the PDF, if you were in the front matter, the page 
number in Acrobat/Reader would display the Roman numerals and Numeric when 
you were in the rest of the manual, so that the page number in the Reader 
page navigation toolbar always matched the actual page in the document.

For the life of me, I can't figure out how the writer did that (I don't 
know if the document was created in FM). If I set front matter pages in 
Roman numerals and Chapter pages in Numeric, then print the book to pdf, I 
only see consecutive pages in the toolbar (e.g. ii is shown as 2 in the 
toolbar).

Am I trying to do something that you can't do when printing FM to PDF?




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection 
Business
Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira, NY 14901
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Re: [Framers] Printing FM12 to PDF -- Page numbering issue

[Reng, Dr. Winfried]

Hi,

As a user I find it easier when a book is numbered consecutively.
That means: 1 is the title page (although the title page does not have
a page number displayed).

You can find out easily which application was used to create
the PDF. In Acrobat press CTRL + D (or in the File menu click Properties).
In the Document Properties dialog click the Description tab.
There the application is listed to create the PDF.

Best regards

Winfried

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I recently saw a pdf document that used small Roman numerals for title page and 
front matter (per Chicago Manual of Style) with rest of book in normal numbers. 
When in the PDF, if you were in the front matter, the page number in 
Acrobat/Reader would display the Roman numerals and Numeric when you were in 
the rest of the manual, so that the page number in the Reader page navigation 
toolbar always matched the actual page in the document.

For the life of me, I can't figure out how the writer did that (I don't know if 
the document was created in FM). If I set front matter pages in Roman numerals 
and Chapter pages in Numeric, then print the book to pdf, I only see 
consecutive pages in the toolbar (e.g. ii is shown as 2 in the toolbar).

Am I trying to do something that you can't do when printing FM to PDF?




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection 
Business
Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira, NY 14901
PH: +607 735-4279
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Re: [Framers] Printing FM12 to PDF -- Page numbering issue

[Jay Mahler]

Tom,

I've used Rick's PageLabeler plug-in for a long time, and it's great. I print a 
large book as both a single PDF and as individual chapters, and the plug-in 
accommodates both styles when using Chapter-pageNo numbering. I'm using it on 
FM10.

Jay
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I recently saw a pdf document that used small Roman numerals for title page and 
front matter (per Chicago Manual of Style) with rest of book in normal numbers. 
When in the PDF, if you were in the front matter, the page number in 
Acrobat/Reader would display the Roman numerals and Numeric when you were in 
the rest of the manual, so that the page number in the Reader page navigation 
toolbar always matched the actual page in the document.

For the life of me, I can't figure out how the writer did that (I don't know if 
the document was created in FM). If I set front matter pages in Roman numerals 
and Chapter pages in Numeric, then print the book to pdf, I only see 
consecutive pages in the toolbar (e.g. ii is shown as 2 in the toolbar).

Am I trying to do something that you can't do when printing FM to PDF?




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection 
Business Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira, NY 14901
PH: +607 735-4279
FX: +607 734-8278
Mobile: +607 769-4779
Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com
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Hi Tom,

 

You can do it manually in Acrobat Professional by using the menu under the Page 
Thumbnails panel (on the left side of the screen). The command is called Number 
Pages. When you get tired of doing it manually, take a look at my PageLabelerES 
script. Here is a link to it on my web store; I will send you the documentation 
offlist. Thanks.

 

https://www.swreg.org/com/storefront/30731/

 

Rick

 

Rick Quatro

Carmen Publishing Inc.

585-366-4017

r...@frameexpert.com

 

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Subject: [Framers] Printing FM12 to PDF -- Page numbering issue

 

I recently saw a pdf document that used small Roman numerals for title page and 
front matter (per Chicago Manual of Style) with rest of book in normal numbers. 
When in the PDF, if you were in the front matter, the page number in 
Acrobat/Reader would display the Roman numerals and Numeric when you were in 
the rest of the manual, so that the page number in the Reader page navigation 
toolbar always matched the actual page in the document. 

For the life of me, I can't figure out how the writer did that (I don't know if 
the document was created in FM). If I set front matter pages in Roman numerals 
and Chapter pages in Numeric, then print the book to pdf, I only see 
consecutive pages in the toolbar (e.g. ii is shown as 2 in the toolbar).


Am I trying to do something that you can't do when printing FM to PDF? 




Tom Beiswenger
Manager, Technical & Training Documentation, Project Manager - Inspection 
Business Emhart Glass Mfg. Inc.
1140 Sullivan St.
Elmira, NY 14901
PH: +607 735-4279
FX: +607 734-8278
Mobile: +607 769-4779
Email: tom.beiswen...@emhartglass.com

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RE: Xref page numbering not correct

[Steve Nelson]

On the contrary -- you've helped my to realize my process between xml topics
and book may be wrong.  Thank you.


Stephen Nelson 
Technical Writer 
Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 
39 Main St. 
Scottsville, NY 14546 
snel...@ambrell.com 
585.889.0288 (office)


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Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:36 PM
To: Steve Nelson; 'Scott Prentice'
Cc: 'Framers'
Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct

I have a feeling I'm not helping. I'll just hush now.

Nadine



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 s...@leximation.com
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 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:32:27 PM
 Subject: RE: Xref page numbering not correct
 
 I'm not using any reltables. 
 
 
 Stephen Nelson
 Technical Writer
 Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell
 39 Main St. 
 Scottsville, NY 14546
 snel...@ambrell.com
 585.889.0288 (office)
 
 
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 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:29 PM
 To: Writer; Steve Nelson; 'Scott Prentice'
 Cc: 'Framers'
 Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct
 
 I should have added that you need to place your reltable into the 
 ubermap in that scenario.
 
 Nadine
 
 
 
  Ah, then I don't know.
 
  If you're creating chapters separately and then combining them into 
 a  book, that might be part of the problem.
 
 
  You could try creating the chapters as submaps and then place them 
 in  an uber map. That's what we do (we're still using FM 9, btw). 
 When
 you
  save the uber ditamap as an FM book with FM components, it creates a  
 books file, and the submaps are converted to chapters within the book.
 
  Nadine
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Re: Xref page numbering not correct

[Scott Prentice]

Hi Steve...

Hmm .. check to see where the @hrefs are pointing .. do they reference 
the generated FM files or do they reference the source DITA topics? They 
should be referencing the generated FM files (so the links work in the 
PDF and the page numbers are correct). At one point FM-DITA had a 
problem with this (leaving the @hrefs pointing at the DITA topics), but 
I thought this had been fixed. Have you applied the two FM10 updates?


...scott


Steve Nelson wrote:

Hello,
Pagination is all set in the book (into which I've referenced all of the
composite fm files, which are themselves the result of doing a Save Ditamap
As... for each of my section-level dita maps).

The resulting pdf is correct as far as the page numbering in the footers, as
well as the numbering in the TOC. Xrefs still read as see topic name on
page 1. 


Thank you.


Stephen Nelson 
Technical Writer 
Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 
39 Main St. 
Scottsville, NY 14546 
snel...@ambrell.com 
585.889.0288 (office)



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From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] 
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:02 PM

To: Steve Nelson
Cc: 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com
Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct

Hi Steve...

I'll bet that the page numbers are also all 1. The cross-refs are correct
.. you need to set up the pagination for the book then update the book, and
the page numbers should update as well as the cross-refs.

BTW .. you might send FM DITA questions to the framemaker-dita Yahoo group
.. you'll find more people who are likely to have the answer to your
question.

Cheers!

...scott

--
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Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892




Steve Nelson wrote:
  

Hi,
I'm using FM10 and dita 1.2 template/edd.

For some reason(s), cross reference page numbering is not working.

I'm mapping all of my xml topics into dita maps, converting those dita 
maps into composite fm files, adding those composite fms to a book, 
generating TOC, adding front matter, etc.


In the DITA Cross-Reference dialog, I'm using the xref DITA element, 
and the $paratext on page $pagenum format.


I update the book, and generate my pdf. All of the page numbers in the 
cross references are 1.


Any idea what's going on? Am I using the wrong method to generate a book?

Thank you.

Stephen Nelson
Technical Writer
Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell
39 Main St.
Scottsville, NY 14546
snel...@ambrell.com
585.889.0288 (office)



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Re: Xref page numbering not correct

[Writer]

Did you create FM files or XML files? If you created XML files, the xrefs will 
all pretty much say page 1.

Nadine





 From: Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com
To: Steve Nelson snel...@ambrell.com 
Cc: 'Framers' framers@lists.frameusers.com; r...@frameexpert.com 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:35:52 PM
Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct
 
Hi Steve...

Hmm .. check to see where the @hrefs are pointing .. do they reference the 
generated FM files or do they reference the source DITA topics? They should be 
referencing the generated FM files (so the links work in the PDF and the page 
numbers are correct). At one point FM-DITA had a problem with this (leaving 
the @hrefs pointing at the DITA topics), but I thought this had been fixed. 
Have you applied the two FM10 updates?

...scott


Steve Nelson wrote:
 Hello,
 Pagination is all set in the book (into which I've referenced all of the
 composite fm files, which are themselves the result of doing a Save Ditamap
 As... for each of my section-level dita maps).
 
 The resulting pdf is correct as far as the page numbering in the footers, as
 well as the numbering in the TOC. Xrefs still read as see topic name on
 page 1. 
 Thank you.
 
 
 Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main St. 
 Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office)
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 
 2011 7:02 PM
 To: Steve Nelson
 Cc: 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com
 Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct
 
 Hi Steve...
 
 I'll bet that the page numbers are also all 1. The cross-refs are correct
 .. you need to set up the pagination for the book then update the book, and
 the page numbers should update as well as the cross-refs.
 
 BTW .. you might send FM DITA questions to the framemaker-dita Yahoo group
 .. you'll find more people who are likely to have the answer to your
 question.
 
 Cheers!
 
 ...scott
 
 --
 Scott Prentice
 Leximation, Inc.
 www.leximation.com
 +1.415.485.1892
 
 
 
 
 Steve Nelson wrote:
  
 Hi,
 I'm using FM10 and dita 1.2 template/edd.
 
 For some reason(s), cross reference page numbering is not working.
 
 I'm mapping all of my xml topics into dita maps, converting those dita maps 
 into composite fm files, adding those composite fms to a book, generating 
 TOC, adding front matter, etc.
 
 In the DITA Cross-Reference dialog, I'm using the xref DITA element, and 
 the $paratext on page $pagenum format.
 
 I update the book, and generate my pdf. All of the page numbers in the 
 cross references are 1.
 
 Any idea what's going on? Am I using the wrong method to generate a book?
 
 Thank you.
 
 Stephen Nelson
 Technical Writer
 Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell
 39 Main St.
 Scottsville, NY 14546
 snel...@ambrell.com
 585.889.0288 (office)
 
 
 
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Re: Xref page numbering not correct

[Scott Prentice]

Steve ...

The map to book conversion process should relink the @hrefs to the new 
FM files .. you shouldn't have to do anything. If the @hrefs are 
pointing at the source DITA files, there's no way that the links will 
ever work (since they will always point at the wrong place), and the 
page numbers are in fact correct since the topics always start at page #1.


You should install the two FM10 updates and see if that fixes the 
problem. If not .. you should use DITA-FMx which does this (and many 
other things) correctly.  :)


...scott



Steve Nelson wrote:

Hi Scott,
No, they're built in the source topics, so they're referencing the topics.
Should I be building my xrefs in the resulting fm files? I'm not sure how to
make them reference the genned FM files.

I have not applied any FM10 updates. 



Stephen Nelson 
Technical Writer 
Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 
39 Main St. 
Scottsville, NY 14546 
snel...@ambrell.com 
585.889.0288 (office)



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From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 1:36 PM

To: Steve Nelson
Cc: 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com
Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct

Hi Steve...

Hmm .. check to see where the @hrefs are pointing .. do they reference the
generated FM files or do they reference the source DITA topics? They should
be referencing the generated FM files (so the links work in the PDF and the
page numbers are correct). At one point FM-DITA had a problem with this
(leaving the @hrefs pointing at the DITA topics), but I thought this had
been fixed. Have you applied the two FM10 updates?

...scott


Steve Nelson wrote:
  

Hello,
Pagination is all set in the book (into which I've referenced all of 
the composite fm files, which are themselves the result of doing a 
Save Ditamap As... for each of my section-level dita maps).


The resulting pdf is correct as far as the page numbering in the 
footers, as well as the numbering in the TOC. Xrefs still read as see 
topic name on page 1.


Thank you.


Stephen Nelson
Technical Writer
Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell
39 Main St. 
Scottsville, NY 14546

snel...@ambrell.com
585.889.0288 (office)


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From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com]
Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:02 PM
To: Steve Nelson
Cc: 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com
Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct

Hi Steve...

I'll bet that the page numbers are also all 1. The cross-refs are 
correct .. you need to set up the pagination for the book then update 
the book, and the page numbers should update as well as the cross-refs.


BTW .. you might send FM DITA questions to the framemaker-dita Yahoo 
group .. you'll find more people who are likely to have the answer to 
your question.


Cheers!

...scott

--
Scott Prentice
Leximation, Inc.
www.leximation.com
+1.415.485.1892




Steve Nelson wrote:
  


Hi,
I'm using FM10 and dita 1.2 template/edd.

For some reason(s), cross reference page numbering is not working.

I'm mapping all of my xml topics into dita maps, converting those 
dita maps into composite fm files, adding those composite fms to a 
book, generating TOC, adding front matter, etc.


In the DITA Cross-Reference dialog, I'm using the xref DITA 
element, and the $paratext on page $pagenum format.


I update the book, and generate my pdf. All of the page numbers in 
the cross references are 1.


Any idea what's going on? Am I using the wrong method to generate a book?

Thank you.

Stephen Nelson
Technical Writer
Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell
39 Main St.
Scottsville, NY 14546
snel...@ambrell.com
585.889.0288 (office)



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Re: Xref page numbering not correct

[Scott Prentice]

No. The conversion from map to book should repoint the references to the 
new generated FM files. You should be able to author in DITA XML files, 
then create a book from that which can be made into a proper PDF. If 
that's not the case, it's a bug.


...scott


Writer wrote:
Did you create FM files or XML files? If you created XML files, the 
xrefs will all pretty much say page 1.


Nadine


*From:* Scott Prentice s...@leximation.com
*To:* Steve Nelson snel...@ambrell.com
*Cc:* 'Framers' framers@lists.frameusers.com; r...@frameexpert.com
*Sent:* Monday, November 21, 2011 1:35:52 PM
*Subject:* Re: Xref page numbering not correct

Hi Steve...

Hmm .. check to see where the @hrefs are pointing .. do they
reference the generated FM files or do they reference the source
DITA topics? They should be referencing the generated FM files (so
the links work in the PDF and the page numbers are correct). At
one point FM-DITA had a problem with this (leaving the @hrefs
pointing at the DITA topics), but I thought this had been fixed.
Have you applied the two FM10 updates?

...scott


Steve Nelson wrote:
 Hello,
 Pagination is all set in the book (into which I've referenced
all of the
 composite fm files, which are themselves the result of doing a
Save Ditamap
 As... for each of my section-level dita maps).

 The resulting pdf is correct as far as the page numbering in the
footers, as
 well as the numbering in the TOC. Xrefs still read as see
topic name on
 page 1.
 Thank you.


 Stephen Nelson Technical Writer Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 39 Main
St. Scottsville, NY 14546 snel...@ambrell.com
mailto:snel...@ambrell.com 585.889.0288 (office)


 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com
mailto:s...@leximation.com] Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 7:02 PM
 To: Steve Nelson
 Cc: 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com mailto:r...@frameexpert.com
 Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct

 Hi Steve...

 I'll bet that the page numbers are also all 1. The cross-refs
are correct
 .. you need to set up the pagination for the book then update
the book, and
 the page numbers should update as well as the cross-refs.

 BTW .. you might send FM DITA questions to the framemaker-dita
Yahoo group
 .. you'll find more people who are likely to have the answer to your
 question.

 Cheers!

 ...scott

 --
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 Leximation, Inc.
 www.leximation.com
 +1.415.485.1892




 Steve Nelson wrote:
 
 Hi,

 I'm using FM10 and dita 1.2 template/edd.

 For some reason(s), cross reference page numbering is not working.

 I'm mapping all of my xml topics into dita maps, converting
those dita maps into composite fm files, adding those composite
fms to a book, generating TOC, adding front matter, etc.

 In the DITA Cross-Reference dialog, I'm using the xref DITA
element, and the $paratext on page $pagenum format.

 I update the book, and generate my pdf. All of the page numbers
in the cross references are 1.

 Any idea what's going on? Am I using the wrong method to
generate a book?

 Thank you.

 Stephen Nelson
 Technical Writer
 Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell
 39 Main St.
 Scottsville, NY 14546
 snel...@ambrell.com mailto:snel...@ambrell.com
 585.889.0288 (office)



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Re: Xref page numbering not correct

[Writer]

No. The conversion from map to book should repoint the references to the new 
generated FM files. You should be able to author in DITA XML files, then 
create a book from that which can be made into a proper PDF. If that's not the 
case, it's a bug.

Not if Steve created a book with XML components (ie, book), rather than FM 
components (ie, book with FM components). Boo boos happen sometimes. I've done 
it myself.

Nadine

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Re: Xref page numbering not correct

[Scott Prentice]

Right .. if he created the book with XML components, then there's no 
conversion and no relinking of xrefs .. but I was under the impression 
that he used the Save As FM Components from the map. That should 
generate a book and FM components from the XML files and relink any 
references from the DITA source to the new FM files.


...scott


Writer wrote:
  

No. The conversion from map to book should repoint the references to the new 
generated FM files. You should be able to author in DITA XML files, then create 
a book from that which can be made into a proper PDF. If that's not the case, 
it's a bug.



Not if Steve created a book with XML components (ie, book), rather than FM 
components (ie, book with FM components). Boo boos happen sometimes. I've done 
it myself.

Nadine


  

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Re: Xref page numbering not correct

[Writer]

Ah, then I don't know.

If you're creating chapters separately and then combining them into a book, 
that might be part of the problem.


You could try creating the chapters as submaps and then place them in an uber 
map. That's what we do (we're still using FM 9, btw). When you save the uber 
ditamap as an FM book with FM components, it creates a books file, and the 
submaps are converted to chapters within the book.

Nadine




- Original Message -
 From: Steve Nelson snel...@ambrell.com
 To: 'Scott Prentice' s...@leximation.com; 'Writer' generic...@yahoo.ca
 Cc: 'Framers' framers@lists.frameusers.com; r...@frameexpert.com
 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:09:22 PM
 Subject: RE: Xref page numbering not correct
 
 Here's what I'm doing:
 1. Creating dita topics (.xml)
 2. Creating dita maps (my sections/chapters) and adding the dita topics as
 children.
 3. Saving the dita maps as composite fm files.
 4. Creating a book (File: New: Book)
 5. Adding composite fms (my sections/chapters) to the book.
 6. Adding front matter, TOC etc... Via the book. Setting up pagination,
 etc...
 7. Getting PDF out via Print Book. 
 
 I installed an update. Still no joy. TOC page numbering and page numbering
 in the page footers are correct, but page numbering in Xrefs still wrong.
 
 Stephen Nelson 
 Technical Writer 
 Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 
 39 Main St. 
 Scottsville, NY 14546 
 snel...@ambrell.com 
 585.889.0288 (office)
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] 
 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:02 PM
 To: Writer
 Cc: Steve Nelson; 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com
 Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct
 
 Right .. if he created the book with XML components, then there's no
 conversion and no relinking of xrefs .. but I was under the impression that
 he used the Save As FM Components from the map. That should generate 
 a
 book and FM components from the XML files and relink any references from the
 DITA source to the new FM files.
 
 ...scott
 
 
 Writer wrote:
   
  No. The conversion from map to book should repoint the references to 
 the
 new generated FM files. You should be able to author in DITA XML files, then
 create a book from that which can be made into a proper PDF. If that's not
 the case, it's a bug.
     
 
  Not if Steve created a book with XML components (ie, book), rather than FM
 components (ie, book with FM components). Boo boos happen sometimes. I've
 done it myself.
 
  Nadine
 
 
   
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Re: Xref page numbering not correct

[Writer]

I should have added that you need to place your reltable into the ubermap in 
that scenario.

Nadine



 Ah, then I don't know.
 
 If you're creating chapters separately and then combining them into a book, 
 that might be part of the problem.
 
 
 You could try creating the chapters as submaps and then place them in an uber 
 map. That's what we do (we're still using FM 9, btw). When you save the 
 uber ditamap as an FM book with FM components, it creates a books file, and 
 the 
 submaps are converted to chapters within the book.
 
 Nadine
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Re: Xref page numbering not correct

[Writer]

I have a feeling I'm not helping. I'll just hush now.

Nadine



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 From: Steve Nelson snel...@ambrell.com
 To: 'Writer' generic...@yahoo.ca; 'Scott Prentice' s...@leximation.com
 Cc: 'Framers' framers@lists.frameusers.com
 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:32:27 PM
 Subject: RE: Xref page numbering not correct
 
 I'm not using any reltables. 
 
 
 Stephen Nelson 
 Technical Writer 
 Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 
 39 Main St. 
 Scottsville, NY 14546 
 snel...@ambrell.com 
 585.889.0288 (office)
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Writer [mailto:generic...@yahoo.ca] 
 Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:29 PM
 To: Writer; Steve Nelson; 'Scott Prentice'
 Cc: 'Framers'
 Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct
 
 I should have added that you need to place your reltable into the ubermap in
 that scenario.
 
 Nadine
 
 
 
  Ah, then I don't know.
 
  If you're creating chapters separately and then combining them into a 
  book, that might be part of the problem.
 
 
  You could try creating the chapters as submaps and then place them in 
  an uber map. That's what we do (we're still using FM 9, btw). When 
 you 
  save the uber ditamap as an FM book with FM components, it creates a 
  books file, and the submaps are converted to chapters within the book.
 
  Nadine
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Re: Xref page numbering not correct

[Scott Prentice]

I think the problem is that you need to do a Save As Book with fm 
components .. if you save a map to a composite document, it should fix 
up any xrefs within that map to point to the FM instance of the 
reference (itself actually), but if you have xrefs that point to DITA 
topics in other maps or not included in that map, they will remain 
pointing to the XML instance.


In general, I think  the best practice is to use the Save As Book with 
FM components .. then you can either update that book or use another 
book file that you've set up .. but this should ensure that the 
references are correctly linked to the new FM instances of the topics.


I just gave it a quick test in default FM-DITA and it seems to work as 
it should (I've got both updates installed though).


...scott


Steve Nelson wrote:

Here's what I'm doing:
1. Creating dita topics (.xml)
2. Creating dita maps (my sections/chapters) and adding the dita topics as
children.
3. Saving the dita maps as composite fm files.
4. Creating a book (File: New: Book)
5. Adding composite fms (my sections/chapters) to the book.
6. Adding front matter, TOC etc... Via the book. Setting up pagination,
etc...
7. Getting PDF out via Print Book. 


I installed an update. Still no joy. TOC page numbering and page numbering
in the page footers are correct, but page numbering in Xrefs still wrong.

Stephen Nelson 
Technical Writer 
Ameritherm, Inc./Ambrell 
39 Main St. 
Scottsville, NY 14546 
snel...@ambrell.com 
585.889.0288 (office)



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From: Scott Prentice [mailto:s...@leximation.com] 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2011 3:02 PM

To: Writer
Cc: Steve Nelson; 'Framers'; r...@frameexpert.com
Subject: Re: Xref page numbering not correct

Right .. if he created the book with XML components, then there's no
conversion and no relinking of xrefs .. but I was under the impression that
he used the Save As FM Components from the map. That should generate a
book and FM components from the XML files and relink any references from the
DITA source to the new FM files.

...scott


Writer wrote:
  
  


No. The conversion from map to book should repoint the references to the
  

new generated FM files. You should be able to author in DITA XML files, then
create a book from that which can be made into a proper PDF. If that's not
the case, it's a bug.
  

  

Not if Steve created a book with XML components (ie, book), rather than FM


components (ie, book with FM components). Boo boos happen sometimes. I've
done it myself.
  

Nadine


  


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Xref page numbering not correct

[Writer]

>No. The conversion from map to book should repoint the references to the new 
>generated FM files. You should be able to author in DITA XML files, then 
>create a book from that which can be made into a proper PDF. If that's not the 
>case, it's a bug.

Not if Steve created a book with XML components (ie, book), rather than FM 
components (ie, book with FM components). Boo boos happen sometimes. I've done 
it myself.

Nadine

What happened to text format of page numbering?

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

In FM 7.2 and earlier, one of the options for page numbering was Text. I
see that in FM10, and seemingly FM9 too, this option is no longer available.
This was a feature I used to some extent, and I wonder why it was deleted.
Or is there any way around it to, e.g. get a blank in the TOC?

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

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Re: What happened to text format of page numbering?

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Thanks for the info, Fred.

They have added section and subsection numbering (greyed out in my present
legacy 7.2 documents), which is a valuable improvement. Text is still
available for Chapter but not for page numbers. I cannot find anything
helpful about this in the help files. Guess I just have to do some changes
in the document.

Bodvar


2011/7/22 Fred Ridder docu...@hotmail.com

  FWIW, Text is still an option in FrameMaker 8.0p236.

 It's hard to imagine that Adobe made this capability go away, since that
 would break any kind of backwards compatibility.

 -FR

  --
 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:54:18 +
 Subject: What happened to text format of page numbering?
 From: bod...@gmail.com
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com


 In FM 7.2 and earlier, one of the options for page numbering was Text. I
 see that in FM10, and seemingly FM9 too, this option is no longer available.
 This was a feature I used to some extent, and I wonder why it was deleted.
 Or is there any way around it to, e.g. get a blank in the TOC?

 Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

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What happened to "text" format of page numbering?

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

In FM 7.2 and earlier, one of the options for page numbering was "Text". I
see that in FM10, and seemingly FM9 too, this option is no longer available.
This was a feature I used to some extent, and I wonder why it was deleted.
Or is there any way around it to, e.g. get a blank in the TOC?

Bodvar Bjorgvinsson

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What happened to "text" format of page numbering?

[Böðvar Björgvinsson]

Thanks for the info, Fred.

They have added section and subsection numbering (greyed out in my present
legacy 7.2 documents), which is a valuable improvement. Text is still
available for Chapter but not for page numbers. I cannot find anything
helpful about this in the help files. Guess I just have to do some changes
in the document.

Bodvar


2011/7/22 Fred Ridder 

>  FWIW, "Text" is still an option in FrameMaker 8.0p236.
>
> It's hard to imagine that Adobe made this capability go away, since that
> would break any kind of backwards compatibility.
>
> -FR
>
>  --
> Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2011 11:54:18 +
> Subject: What happened to "text" format of page numbering?
> From: bodvar at gmail.com
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>
>
> In FM 7.2 and earlier, one of the options for page numbering was "Text". I
> see that in FM10, and seemingly FM9 too, this option is no longer available.
> This was a feature I used to some extent, and I wonder why it was deleted.
> Or is there any way around it to, e.g. get a blank in the TOC?
>
> Bodvar Bjorgvinsson
>
> --
>  Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found
> difficult and not tried.
>  -- Gilbert K. Chesterton
>
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Re: Adding fixed text to a single chapter's page numbering

[Les Smalley]

Thank you for the kind words and support for my auto-numbering paper, which is 
a decade old now and was current as of FM version 6 where the $chapnum and 
$volnum numbering variables were introduced.  I'm quite pleased to see that it 
is still a valuable and useful reference.
Thankfully, little has changed, although I know one thing that the paper 
misstates: the series label to identify different numbering sequences can be 
any single printable character, not just any upper- or lower-case letter, so 
there are far more that just 53 different series of numbering streams possible 
in a FM document.
While I haven't been associated with INFOCON since late 2008, I try to keep up 
with this list even if I'm not an active FM user in my present job (where I'm 
not even involved with the documentation group.)
Keep the faith, and Happy Framing!
– Les Smalley
--- On Mon, 2/7/11, Alan Litchfield a...@alphabyte.co.nz wrote:
Hi David,

Have a read of Lester's helpful summary here:

http://www.infocon.com/files/autonum.pdf

Good Luck

Alan

David Millis wrote:
 Frame 7.2

 My book begins and ends with chapters that use the small roman page
 numbering format. All other chapters except one use the continuing page
 number format of 1, 2, 3, ... The problem I can't figure out is I'd like
 to use the following page number format for my Appendix chapter: A-1,
 A-2, A-3, ... I've got a left and right Appendix master page using the
 format A-# and the Format  Document  Numbering  Page property is set
 to First Page # = 1 and Format is set to Numeric (14). Can someone
 please fill in the blanks so I can use this page number format for a
 single chapter?

 Thank you,

 David
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Adding fixed text to a single chapter's page numbering

[Les Smalley]

Thank you for the kind words and support for my auto-numbering paper, which is 
a decade old now and was current as of FM version 6 where the $chapnum and 
$volnum numbering variables were introduced. ?I'm quite pleased to see that it 
is still a valuable and useful reference.
Thankfully, little has changed, although I know one thing that the paper 
misstates: the series label to identify different numbering sequences can be 
any single printable character, not just any upper- or lower-case letter, so 
there are far more that just 53 different series of numbering streams possible 
in a FM document.
While I haven't been associated with INFOCON since late 2008, I try to keep up 
with this list even if I'm not an active FM user in my present job (where I'm 
not even involved with the documentation group.)
Keep the faith, and Happy Framing!
? Les Smalley
--- On Mon, 2/7/11, Alan Litchfield  wrote:
Hi David,

Have a read of Lester's helpful summary here:

http://www.infocon.com/files/autonum.pdf

Good Luck

Alan

David Millis wrote:
> Frame 7.2
>
> My book begins and ends with chapters that use the small roman page
> numbering format. All other chapters except one use the continuing page
> number format of 1, 2, 3, ... The problem I can't figure out is I'd like
> to use the following page number format for my Appendix chapter: A-1,
> A-2, A-3, ... I've got a left and right Appendix master page using the
> format A-# and the Format > Document > Numbering > Page property is set
> to First Page # = 1 and Format is set to Numeric (14). Can someone
> please fill in the blanks so I can use this page number format for a
> single chapter?
>
> Thank you,
>
> David
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[Alan Litchfield]

Hi David,

Have a read of Lester's helpful summary here:

http://www.infocon.com/files/autonum.pdf

Good Luck

Alan

David Millis wrote:
> Frame 7.2
>
>
>
> My book begins and ends with chapters that use the small roman page
> numbering format. All other chapters except one use the continuing page
> number format of 1, 2, 3, ... The problem I can't figure out is I'd like
> to use the following page number format for my Appendix chapter: A-1,
> A-2, A-3, ... I've got a left and right Appendix master page using the
> format A-# and the Format > Document > Numbering > Page property is set
> to First Page # = 1 and Format is set to Numeric (14). Can someone
> please fill in the blanks so I can use this page number format for a
> single chapter?
>
>
>
> Thank you,
>
>
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Adding fixed text to a single chapter's page numbering

[David Millis]

Frame 7.2

 

My book begins and ends with chapters that use the small roman page
numbering format. All other chapters except one use the continuing page
number format of 1, 2, 3, ... The problem I can't figure out is I'd like
to use the following page number format for my Appendix chapter: A-1,
A-2, A-3, ... I've got a left and right Appendix master page using the
format A-# and the Format  Document  Numbering  Page property is set
to First Page # = 1 and Format is set to Numeric (14). Can someone
please fill in the blanks so I can use this page number format for a
single chapter?

 

Thank you,

 

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[Alan Litchfield]

Hi David,

Have a read of Lester's helpful summary here:

http://www.infocon.com/files/autonum.pdf

Good Luck

Alan

David Millis wrote:
 Frame 7.2



 My book begins and ends with chapters that use the small roman page
 numbering format. All other chapters except one use the continuing page
 number format of 1, 2, 3, ... The problem I can't figure out is I'd like
 to use the following page number format for my Appendix chapter: A-1,
 A-2, A-3, ... I've got a left and right Appendix master page using the
 format A-# and the Format  Document  Numbering  Page property is set
 to First Page # = 1 and Format is set to Numeric (14). Can someone
 please fill in the blanks so I can use this page number format for a
 single chapter?



 Thank you,



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RE: Adding fixed text to a single chapter's page numbering

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David Millis wrote:
 
 My book begins and ends with chapters that use the small roman page
 numbering format. All other chapters except one use the continuing page
 number format of 1, 2, 3, ... The problem I can't figure out is I'd like
 to use the following page number format for my Appendix chapter: A-1,
 A-2, A-3, ... I've got a left and right Appendix master page using the
 format A-# and the Format  Document  Numbering  Page property is set
 to First Page # = 1 and Format is set to Numeric (14). Can someone
 please fill in the blanks so I can use this page number format for a
 single chapter?

I know my brain is slow because it's Monday, but I fail to see what the problem 
is. What you're describing sounds correct. 

So what's not correct? What blanks do you need to have filled? 


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David Millis wrote:
 
 I actually have figured out the Appendix page numbering that I wanted
 but now I'm stumped trying to get the TOC to reflect that same numbering
 format for the Appendix.

Keeping the conversation on the list allows others to benefit from it -- or to 
correct me if I tell you something stupid. :-) 

I see now what I missed before. You're hard-coding the A into the master 
pages instead of using the chapter number ($chapnum) variable. 

A better approach would be to put $chapnum-# in the footers. In Numbering 
Properties (via the book window, not in the file), set Chapter # for the 
appendix either to 1 and ALPHABETIC (N) or to A and Text. 

To make the TOC work, first of all, you need to be using a different paragraph 
format for the appendix title than for the chapter titles. Let's say it's 
called AppendixTitle. That's so that the generated TOC uses a different 
paragraph format for that entry, in this case AppendixTitleTOC. 

Then, in the reference page TOC flow, you just need to add the chapter number 
variable to the AppendixTitleTOC entry where appropriate. For instance, it 
might look like this (\t is a tab): 

$chapnum \t $paratext \t\t\t$chapnum-$pagenum 

In the generated TOC, that would look something like this: 

A   Title text of appendix ..A-1

Of course, you can omit the $chapnum before the title, precede it with 
Appendix, or whatever. 

HTH! 

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[David Millis]

Frame 7.2



My book begins and ends with chapters that use the small roman page
numbering format. All other chapters except one use the continuing page
number format of 1, 2, 3, ... The problem I can't figure out is I'd like
to use the following page number format for my Appendix chapter: A-1,
A-2, A-3, ... I've got a left and right Appendix master page using the
format A-# and the Format > Document > Numbering > Page property is set
to First Page # = 1 and Format is set to Numeric (14). Can someone
please fill in the blanks so I can use this page number format for a
single chapter?



Thank you,



David

Adding fixed text to a single chapter's page numbering

[Combs, Richard]

David Millis wrote:

> My book begins and ends with chapters that use the small roman page
> numbering format. All other chapters except one use the continuing page
> number format of 1, 2, 3, ... The problem I can't figure out is I'd like
> to use the following page number format for my Appendix chapter: A-1,
> A-2, A-3, ... I've got a left and right Appendix master page using the
> format A-# and the Format > Document > Numbering > Page property is set
> to First Page # = 1 and Format is set to Numeric (14). Can someone
> please fill in the blanks so I can use this page number format for a
> single chapter?

I know my brain is slow because it's Monday, but I fail to see what the problem 
is. What you're describing sounds correct. 

So what's not correct? What "blanks" do you need to have filled? 


Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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303-223-5111
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303-903-6372
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Adding fixed text to a single chapter's page numbering

[Combs, Richard]

David Millis wrote:

> I actually have figured out the Appendix page numbering that I wanted
> but now I'm stumped trying to get the TOC to reflect that same numbering
> format for the Appendix.

Keeping the conversation on the list allows others to benefit from it -- or to 
correct me if I tell you something stupid. :-) 

I see now what I missed before. You're hard-coding the "A" into the master 
pages instead of using the chapter number (<$chapnum>) variable. 

A better approach would be to put "<$chapnum-#>" in the footers. In Numbering 
Properties (via the book window, not in the file), set Chapter # for the 
appendix either to 1 and ALPHABETIC (N) or to A and Text. 

To make the TOC work, first of all, you need to be using a different paragraph 
format for the appendix title than for the chapter titles. Let's say it's 
called AppendixTitle. That's so that the generated TOC uses a different 
paragraph format for that entry, in this case AppendixTitleTOC. 

Then, in the reference page TOC flow, you just need to add the chapter number 
variable to the AppendixTitleTOC entry where appropriate. For instance, it 
might look like this (\t is a tab): 

<$chapnum> \t <$paratext> \t\t\t<$chapnum>-<$pagenum> 

In the generated TOC, that would look something like this: 

A   Title text of appendix ..A-1

Of course, you can omit the <$chapnum> before the title, precede it with 
"Appendix," or whatever. 

HTH! 

Richard G. Combs
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Polycom, Inc.
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AW: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

[Georg Eck]

Hi Jasmine,

There is TOOLBOX for FrameMaker (7, 8 and 9) 
take 'Book Services'  Last page number

See TOOLBOX Manual: http://bit.ly/aJjSFC (Page 51 Acrobat)

All information about TOOLBOX and download links are there: 
www.toolboxforme.com

Thank you for choosing TOOLBOX.

- Georg



Hello Framers,

 

I need to setup page numbering formatted as Page # of ## in a book
with several files. The Page Count variable (building block
$lastpagenum), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the
last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the
book, but not the others.
 
Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page
number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without
setting it manually after I generate the final book? 

TIA!
Jasmine Graham

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[Georg Eck]

Hi Jasmine,

There is TOOLBOX for FrameMaker (7, 8 and 9) 
take 'Book Services' > Last page number

See TOOLBOX Manual: http://bit.ly/aJjSFC (Page 51 Acrobat)

All information about TOOLBOX and download links are there: 
www.toolboxforme.com

Thank you for choosing TOOLBOX.

- Georg



Hello Framers,



I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book
with several files. The Page Count variable (building block
<$lastpagenum>), pulls the last page number of the current file, not the
last page number in the book. So, it's correct in the last file of the
book, but not the others.

Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page
number in the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without
setting it manually after I generate the final book? 

TIA!
Jasmine Graham

Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

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I put $lastpagenum in the Master pages of the last file (text colour
white so it doesn't show) in its own para format. Then I insert x-refs
to that paratag in the other files in the book. I can send you samples
off-list if you like.

Works a treat. Bit of a bother to set up, but once it's there it sorts
itself out and you don't have to bother again.

Cynthia Milton - 0773 889 5991
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I put <$lastpagenum> in the Master pages of the last file (text colour
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off-list if you like.

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Re: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

[Bernard Gagne]

Jasmine,
The easiest way I found was to insert the $lastpagenum variable in the very 
last page of my book, and cross-reference it for all the other chapters.
It worked just fine.

Berny Gagne




From: Graham, Jasmine S yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 1:34:24 PM
Subject: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

Hello Framers,



I need to setup page numbering formatted as Page # of ## in a book with 
several files. The Page Count variable (building block $lastpagenum), pulls 
the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. 
So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others.



Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in 
the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it 
manually after I generate the final book? 



TIA!



Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

Wireline Services

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[Graham, Jasmine S]

Thank you to all who responded. I didn't think about using a cross-reference 
(DUH)!

BTW, I forgot to mention that I use structured Frame. Here's what I did:

 

EDD - Added new element: EndOfBook

Paragraph format: EndOfBook (2pts. White text). Explanatory Text appears in 
Cross-Ref dialog.

Cross Reference format: EndOfBook (building block $pagenum)

Insert unstructured cross-reference on master page (no need for a new X-REF 
element tag at this time).

 

I'm still tinkering with my remaining master pages, but I've gone far enough to 
test this and it works.

 

Marvelous! 

 

Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

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From: Dave Reynolds [mailto:dave.reyno...@taitradio.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:49 PM
To: Graham, Jasmine S
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

 

Hi Jasmine

I have done this in a small book.  I used the following method to set up the 
Page # of ## in a book with several files.  It assumes you are using 
continuous page numbering throughout the book.

1.  On the last page of the last file in the book, insert a new paragraph 
and give it a new para format (eg LastPage).  In my book I have actually put 
some explanatory text in this para so I know what it is and set the colour to 
white so it doesn't show.  You may or may not wish to do this because this text 
will end up in the PDF and will be searchible even though it is invisible.
2.  Set up the page numbering in the footer of each file as Page # of 
[Xref].  # is the normal Current Page variable, and [Xref] is a cross 
reference to the LastPage paragraph.  Set the format of this cross reference to 
use the $pagenum building block and give the format a meaningful name.
3.  Import the new Xref format to all files.

When you update the book your page numbering will be updated to reflect the 
total number of pages in the book.  You do have to remember that the LastPage 
para is there and what it's for, though.  And remember to make sure it is 
always on the last page of the book.

Hope this helps

Dave

Graham, Jasmine S wrote, on 9/06/2010 5:34 a.m.: 

Hello Framers,
 
 
 
I need to setup page numbering formatted as Page # of ## in a book with 
several files. The Page Count variable (building block $lastpagenum), pulls 
the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. 
So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others.
 
 
 
Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in 
the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it 
manually after I generate the final book? 
 
 
 
TIA!
 
 
 
Jasmine Graham
 
Technical Writer, Research and Development 
 
Wireline Services
 
Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 
 
Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ 
Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 
 
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Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

[Graham, Jasmine S]

Thank you to all who responded. I didn't think about using a cross-reference 
(DUH)!

BTW, I forgot to mention that I use structured Frame. Here's what I did:



EDD - Added new element: EndOfBook

Paragraph format: EndOfBook (2pts. White text). Explanatory Text appears in 
Cross-Ref dialog.

Cross Reference format: EndOfBook (building block <$pagenum>)

Insert unstructured cross-reference on master page (no need for a new X-REF 
element tag at this time).



I'm still tinkering with my remaining master pages, but I've gone far enough to 
test this and it works.



Marvelous! 



Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

Wireline Services

Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 

Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? 
Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 

jasmine.graham at weatherford.com ? www.weatherford.com

From: Dave Reynolds [mailto:dave.reyno...@taitradio.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 7:49 PM
To: Graham, Jasmine S
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book



Hi Jasmine

I have done this in a small book.  I used the following method to set up the 
"Page # of ##" in a book with several files.  It assumes you are using 
continuous page numbering throughout the book.

1.  On the last page of the last file in the book, insert a new paragraph 
and give it a new para format (eg LastPage).  In my book I have actually put 
some explanatory text in this para so I know what it is and set the colour to 
white so it doesn't show.  You may or may not wish to do this because this text 
will end up in the PDF and will be searchible even though it is invisible.
2.  Set up the page numbering in the footer of each file as "Page # of 
[Xref]".  # is the normal Current Page variable, and [Xref] is a cross 
reference to the LastPage paragraph.  Set the format of this cross reference to 
use the <$pagenum> building block and give the format a meaningful name.
3.  Import the new Xref format to all files.

When you update the book your page numbering will be updated to reflect the 
total number of pages in the book.  You do have to remember that the LastPage 
para is there and what it's for, though.  And remember to make sure it is 
always on the last page of the book.

Hope this helps

Dave

Graham, Jasmine S wrote, on 9/06/2010 5:34 a.m.: 

Hello Framers,



I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book with 
several files. The Page Count variable (building block <$lastpagenum>), pulls 
the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. 
So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others.



Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in 
the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it 
manually after I generate the final book? 



TIA!



Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

Wireline Services

Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 

Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? 
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Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

[Graham, Jasmine S]

Hello Framers,

 

I need to setup page numbering formatted as Page # of ## in a book with 
several files. The Page Count variable (building block $lastpagenum), pulls 
the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. 
So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others.

 

Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in 
the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it 
manually after I generate the final book? 

 

TIA!

 

Jasmine Graham

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Re: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

[David Spreadbury]

Jazz,
If memory serves me, Rick Quartro has a script that will do this.
 
If he doesn't, and you are delivering PDFs, you can do this in Acrobat.
I just tested it and it works with Acrobat 8.
 
In Acrobat, open you PDF and select Document  Add Header and Footer.
Then select Setup Page Number and Date format, select 1 of n.
Select Insert page number.
 
If you have to revert to this option, you might want to edit your Frame footer 
to accommodate the Acrobat page numbering. Otherwise it could get a little 
messy.

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From: Graham, Jasmine S yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com
Subject: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 12:34 PM


Hello Framers,



I need to setup page numbering formatted as Page # of ## in a book with 
several files. The Page Count variable (building block $lastpagenum), pulls 
the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. 
So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others.



Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in 
the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it 
manually after I generate the final book? 



TIA!



Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

Wireline Services

Weatherford │ 481 Winscott Road │ Fort Worth │ TX │ 76126 

Main: +1.817.249.7200 │ Direct: +1.817.249.7032 │ Fax: +1.817.249.7885 │ 
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Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

[Graham, Jasmine S]

Hello Framers,



I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book with 
several files. The Page Count variable (building block <$lastpagenum>), pulls 
the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. 
So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others.



Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in 
the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it 
manually after I generate the final book? 



TIA!



Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

Wireline Services

Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 

Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? 
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Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

[David Spreadbury]

Jazz,
If memory serves me, Rick Quartro has a script that will do this.
?
If he doesn't, and you are delivering PDFs, you can do this in Acrobat.
I just tested it and it works with Acrobat 8.
?
In Acrobat, open you PDF and select Document > Add Header and Footer.
Then select Setup Page Number and Date format, select 1 of n.
Select Insert page number.
?
If you have to revert to this option, you?might want to edit your Frame footer 
to?accommodate the Acrobat page numbering. Otherwise it could get a little 
messy.

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From: Graham, Jasmine S <yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com>
Subject: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 12:34 PM


Hello Framers,



I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book with 
several files. The Page Count variable (building block <$lastpagenum>), pulls 
the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. 
So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others.



Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in 
the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it 
manually after I generate the final book? 



TIA!



Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

Wireline Services

Weatherford ? 481 Winscott Road ? Fort Worth ? TX ? 76126 

Main: +1.817.249.7200 ? Direct: +1.817.249.7032 ? Fax: +1.817.249.7885 ? 
Mobile: +1.817.235.3620 

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Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

[Bernard Gagne]

Jasmine,
The easiest way I found was to insert the <$lastpagenum> variable in the very 
last page of my book, and cross-reference it for all the other chapters.
It worked just fine.

Berny Gagne




From: "Graham, Jasmine S" <yassamin.gra...@weatherford.com>
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Sent: Tue, June 8, 2010 1:34:24 PM
Subject: Page Numbering Format (# of ##) in an FM Book

Hello Framers,



I need to setup page numbering formatted as "Page # of ##" in a book with 
several files. The Page Count variable (building block <$lastpagenum>), pulls 
the last page number of the current file, not the last page number in the book. 
So, it's correct in the last file of the book, but not the others.



Is there any way to set up a variable that will read the last page number in 
the book? Or, is there another way to accomplish this without setting it 
manually after I generate the final book? 



TIA!



Jasmine Graham

Technical Writer, Research and Development 

Wireline Services

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Page Numbering Problems

[Alison Craig]

Version: FM9 (9.0p250)
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OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 11 months
Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template. Normally, the 
Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only) and Appendix (1 only). 
Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is number in Roam Numerals, Chapter 
starts at page 1 with an even number of pages and Appendix starts at the next 
page number - ie, if Chapter ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items originally 
scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this week. Therefore I have 
had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1 (numeric) but 
every time I update the book I get a pagination error message and it renumbers 
the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman Numerals (picking up from the TOC - 
which shouldn't have any affect on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my Scriptorium 
manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the Book) but it also 
means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.

Help,

Alison


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Re: Page Numbering Problems

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Allison,
Did you make the pagination change in the Appendix itself, or at the Book level?

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From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
Subject: Page Numbering Problems
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:11 PM


Version: FM9 (9.0p250)
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 11 months
Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template. Normally, the 
Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only) and Appendix (1 only). 
Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is number in Roam Numerals, Chapter 
starts at page 1 with an even number of pages and Appendix starts at the next 
page number - ie, if Chapter ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items originally 
scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this week. Therefore I have 
had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1 (numeric) but 
every time I update the book I get a pagination error message and it renumbers 
the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman Numerals (picking up from the TOC - 
which shouldn't have any affect on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my Scriptorium 
manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the Book) but it also 
means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.

Help,

Alison


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RE: Page Numbering Problems

[Alison Craig]

I tried both (using Format  Document  Numbering  Page).

First I changed it at the Appendix file level then updated. That made all my 
page numbers work off the TOC page numbering (Roman Numerals, etc).

Then I selected all files in the book and made the change again. That worked 
for the Appendix file but it paginated my TOC in Numeric format (not Roman 
Numerals).

Alison


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From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:13 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Alison Craig
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Problems

Allison,
Did you make the pagination change in the Appendix itself, or at the Book level?

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
Subject: Page Numbering Problems
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:11 PM
Version: FM9 (9.0p250)
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 11 months
Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template. Normally, the 
Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only) and Appendix (1 only). 
Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is number in Roam Numerals, Chapter 
starts at page 1 with an even number of pages and Appendix starts at the next 
page number - ie, if Chapter ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items originally 
scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this week. Therefore I have 
had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1 (numeric) but 
every time I update the book I get a pagination error message and it renumbers 
the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman Numerals (picking up from the TOC - 
which shouldn't have any affect on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my Scriptorium 
manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the Book) but it also 
means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.

Help,

Alison


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RE: Page Numbering Problems

[David Spreadbury]

Allison,
You can set different numbering types at the book level. Set you TOC to Roman 
and your chapters to Arabic. You can start numbering your front matter at the 
Cover (set to Roman) and body at Chapter 1 (Arabic).

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From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
Subject: RE: Page Numbering Problems
To: David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:18 PM








I tried both (using Format  Document  Numbering  Page).
 
First I changed it at the Appendix file level then updated. That made all my 
page numbers work off the TOC page numbering (Roman Numerals, etc).
 
Then I selected all files in the book and made the change again. That worked 
for the Appendix file but it paginated my TOC in Numeric format (not Roman 
Numerals).
 
Alison
 
 





Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
 
 




From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:13 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Alison Craig
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Problems
 





Allison,

Did you make the pagination change in the Appendix itself, or at the Book level?

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:


From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
Subject: Page Numbering Problems
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:11 PM

Version: FM9 (9.0p250)
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 11 months
Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template. Normally, the 
Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only) and Appendix (1 only). 
Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is number in Roam Numerals, Chapter 
starts at page 1 with an even number of pages and Appendix starts at the next 
page number - ie, if Chapter ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items originally 
scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this week. Therefore I have 
had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1 (numeric) but 
every time I update the book I get a pagination error message and it renumbers 
the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman Numerals (picking up from the TOC - 
which shouldn't have any affect on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my Scriptorium 
manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the Book) but it also 
means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.

Help,

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
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Re: Page Numbering Problems

[Stuart Rogers]

On 31/05/2010 5:18 PM, Alison Craig wrote:

I tried both (using Format  Document  Numbering  Page).

First I changed it at the Appendix file level then updated. That made
all my page numbers work off the TOC page numbering (Roman Numerals,
etc).


The change at the Appendix file level was ignored; your Book file must 
have contained instructions for each file to continue from previous file 
in book.




Then I selected all files in the book and made the change again. That
worked for the Appendix file but it paginated my TOC in Numeric
format (not Roman Numerals).


This was the right place but not quite the right action -- FM did 
exactly what you told it to, which was not what you wanted.


In the Book window:
Select your TOC and give it Roman numerals, start at i.
Select your Appendix and give it Arabic numerals and start at 1.
Then update the book.  Ignore any warnings about settings not matching.

When you get around to adding the Chapter(s), select the first chapter 
(in the book window) and set it to Arabic numerals, start at 1. Select 
the remaining chapters  appendices (by shift-clicking) and set them to 
Arabic, continue from previous.  Then update.


HTH,

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RESOLVED - RE: Page Numbering Problems

[Alison Craig]

Thanks David.

I knew it was something simple (but crucial).

I wasn't selecting the file in the Book Window.

Alison

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From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:35 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Alison Craig
Subject: RE: Page Numbering Problems

Allison,
You can set different numbering types at the book level. Set you TOC to Roman 
and your chapters to Arabic. You can start numbering your front matter at the 
Cover (set to Roman) and body at Chapter 1 (Arabic).

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
Subject: RE: Page Numbering Problems
To: David Spreadbury dspre...@yahoo.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com 
framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:18 PM
I tried both (using Format  Document  Numbering  Page).

First I changed it at the Appendix file level then updated. That made all my 
page numbers work off the TOC page numbering (Roman Numerals, etc).

Then I selected all files in the book and made the change again. That worked 
for the Appendix file but it paginated my TOC in Numeric format (not Roman 
Numerals).

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: 
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From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:13 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com; Alison Craig
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Problems

Allison,
Did you make the pagination change in the Appendix itself, or at the Book level?

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com wrote:

From: Alison Craig alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com
Subject: Page Numbering Problems
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:11 PM
Version: FM9 (9.0p250)
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 11 months
Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template. Normally, the 
Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only) and Appendix (1 only). 
Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is number in Roam Numerals, Chapter 
starts at page 1 with an even number of pages and Appendix starts at the next 
page number - ie, if Chapter ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items originally 
scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this week. Therefore I have 
had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1 (numeric) but 
every time I update the book I get a pagination error message and it renumbers 
the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman Numerals (picking up from the TOC - 
which shouldn't have any affect on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my Scriptorium 
manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the Book) but it also 
means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.

Help,

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: 
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Re: Page Numbering Problems

[Stuart Rogers]

On 31/05/2010 2:11 PM, Alison Craig wrote:

Version: FM9 (9.0p250) Unstructured OS: XP Pro with SP3 FM
Experience: 11 months Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template.
Normally, the Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only)
and Appendix (1 only). Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is
number in Roam Numerals, Chapter starts at page 1 with an even number
of pages and Appendix starts at the next page number - ie, if Chapter
ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items
originally scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this
week. Therefore I have had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1
(numeric) but every time I update the book I get a pagination error
message and it renumbers the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman
Numerals (picking up from the TOC - which shouldn't have any affect
on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my
Scriptorium manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the
Book) but it also means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman
Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.



Alison,

Make all your numbering settings in the Book window, *not* in the 
individual files.  Book settings override file settings (that's why you 
get the warning message).


The reason to work in the book window is this: Files can be used and 
printed individually, or they can be assembled in any order into any 
number of different books.  Only the Book window knows the order of 
the files in that particular book and therefore how the pages should be 
numbered in relation to each other.


best,

--
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com
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Page Numbering Problems

[Alison Craig]

Version: FM9 (9.0p250)
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 11 months
Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template. Normally, the 
Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only) and Appendix (1 only). 
Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is number in Roam Numerals, Chapter 
starts at page 1 with an even number of pages and Appendix starts at the next 
page number - ie, if Chapter ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items originally 
scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this week. Therefore I have 
had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1 (numeric) but 
every time I update the book I get a pagination error message and it renumbers 
the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman Numerals (picking up from the TOC - 
which shouldn't have any affect on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my Scriptorium 
manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the Book) but it also 
means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.

Help,

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com

Page Numbering Problems

[David Spreadbury]

Allison,
Did you make the pagination change in the Appendix itself, or at the Book level?

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Alison Craig  wrote:


From: Alison Craig <alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>
Subject: Page Numbering Problems
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:11 PM


Version: FM9 (9.0p250)
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 11 months
Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template. Normally, the 
Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only) and Appendix (1 only). 
Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is number in Roam Numerals, Chapter 
starts at page 1 with an even number of pages and Appendix starts at the next 
page number - ie, if Chapter ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items originally 
scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this week. Therefore I have 
had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1 (numeric) but 
every time I update the book I get a pagination error message and it renumbers 
the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman Numerals (picking up from the TOC - 
which shouldn't have any affect on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my Scriptorium 
manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the Book) but it also 
means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.

Help,

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.commailto:alison.craig at ultrasonix.com

Page Numbering Problems

[Alison Craig]

I tried both (using Format > Document > Numbering > Page).

First I changed it at the Appendix file level then updated. That made all my 
page numbers work off the TOC page numbering (Roman Numerals, etc).

Then I selected all files in the book and made the change again. That worked 
for the Appendix file but it paginated my TOC in Numeric format (not Roman 
Numerals).

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com<mailto:alison.craig at ultrasonix.com>




From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:13 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Alison Craig
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Problems

Allison,
Did you make the pagination change in the Appendix itself, or at the Book level?

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Alison Craig  wrote:

From: Alison Craig <alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>
Subject: Page Numbering Problems
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:11 PM
Version: FM9 (9.0p250)
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 11 months
Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template. Normally, the 
Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only) and Appendix (1 only). 
Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is number in Roam Numerals, Chapter 
starts at page 1 with an even number of pages and Appendix starts at the next 
page number - ie, if Chapter ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items originally 
scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this week. Therefore I have 
had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1 (numeric) but 
every time I update the book I get a pagination error message and it renumbers 
the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman Numerals (picking up from the TOC - 
which shouldn't have any affect on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my Scriptorium 
manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the Book) but it also 
means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.

Help,

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at 
ultrasonix.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alison.craig at 
ultrasonix.com>mailto:<mailto:alison.craig at ultrasonix.com>alison.craig at 
ultrasonix.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alison.craig at 
ultrasonix.com>

Page Numbering Problems

[David Spreadbury]

Allison,
You can set different numbering types at the book level. Set you TOC to Roman 
and your chapters to Arabic. You can start numbering your front matter at the 
Cover (set to Roman)?and body at Chapter 1 (Arabic).

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Alison Craig  wrote:


From: Alison Craig <alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>
Subject: RE: Page Numbering Problems
To: "David Spreadbury" , "framers at 
lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:18 PM








I tried both (using Format > Document > Numbering > Page).
?
First I changed it at the Appendix file level then updated. That made all my 
page numbers work off the TOC page numbering (Roman Numerals, etc).
?
Then I selected all files in the book and made the change again. That worked 
for the Appendix file but it paginated my TOC in Numeric format (not Roman 
Numerals).
?
Alison
?
?





Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com
?
?




From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:13 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Alison Craig
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Problems
?





Allison,

Did you make the pagination change in the Appendix itself, or at the Book level?

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Alison Craig  wrote:


From: Alison Craig <alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>
Subject: Page Numbering Problems
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:11 PM

Version: FM9 (9.0p250)
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 11 months
Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template. Normally, the 
Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only) and Appendix (1 only). 
Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is number in Roam Numerals, Chapter 
starts at page 1 with an even number of pages and Appendix starts at the next 
page number - ie, if Chapter ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items originally 
scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this week. Therefore I have 
had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1 (numeric) but 
every time I update the book I get a pagination error message and it renumbers 
the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman Numerals (picking up from the TOC - 
which shouldn't have any affect on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my Scriptorium 
manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the Book) but it also 
means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.

Help,

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.commailto:alison.craig at ultrasonix.com

Page Numbering Problems

[Stuart Rogers]

On 31/05/2010 5:18 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
> I tried both (using Format>  Document>  Numbering>  Page).
>
> First I changed it at the Appendix file level then updated. That made
> all my page numbers work off the TOC page numbering (Roman Numerals,
> etc).

The change at the Appendix file level was ignored; your Book file must 
have contained instructions for each file to continue from previous file 
in book.

>
> Then I selected all files in the book and made the change again. That
> worked for the Appendix file but it paginated my TOC in Numeric
> format (not Roman Numerals).

This was the right place but not quite the right action -- FM did 
exactly what you told it to, which was not what you wanted.

In the Book window:
Select your TOC and give it Roman numerals, start at i.
Select your Appendix and give it Arabic numerals and start at 1.
Then update the book.  Ignore any warnings about settings not matching.

When you get around to adding the Chapter(s), select the first chapter 
(in the book window) and set it to Arabic numerals, start at 1. Select 
the remaining chapters & appendices (by shift-clicking) and set them to 
Arabic, continue from previous.  Then update.

HTH,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

RESOLVED - RE: Page Numbering Problems

[Alison Craig]

Thanks David.

I knew it was something simple (but crucial).

I wasn't selecting the file in the Book Window.

Alison

Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at ultrasonix.com<mailto:alison.craig at ultrasonix.com>




From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:35 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Alison Craig
Subject: RE: Page Numbering Problems

Allison,
You can set different numbering types at the book level. Set you TOC to Roman 
and your chapters to Arabic. You can start numbering your front matter at the 
Cover (set to Roman) and body at Chapter 1 (Arabic).

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Alison Craig  wrote:

From: Alison Craig <alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>
Subject: RE: Page Numbering Problems
To: "David Spreadbury" , "framers at 
lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 4:18 PM
I tried both (using Format > Document > Numbering > Page).

First I changed it at the Appendix file level then updated. That made all my 
page numbers work off the TOC page numbering (Roman Numerals, etc).

Then I selected all files in the book and made the change again. That worked 
for the Appendix file but it paginated my TOC in Numeric format (not Roman 
Numerals).

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at 
ultrasonix.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alison.craig at 
ultrasonix.com>




From: David Spreadbury [mailto:dspre...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, May 31, 2010 2:13 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com; Alison Craig
Subject: Re: Page Numbering Problems

Allison,
Did you make the pagination change in the Appendix itself, or at the Book level?

--- On Mon, 5/31/10, Alison Craig  wrote:

From: Alison Craig <alison.cr...@ultrasonix.com>
Subject: Page Numbering Problems
To: "framers at lists.frameusers.com" 
Date: Monday, May 31, 2010, 1:11 PM
Version: FM9 (9.0p250)
Unstructured
OS: XP Pro with SP3
FM Experience: 11 months
Writing Team: 1 (me)

I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...

I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template. Normally, the 
Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only) and Appendix (1 only). 
Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is number in Roam Numerals, Chapter 
starts at page 1 with an even number of pages and Appendix starts at the next 
page number - ie, if Chapter ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).

However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items originally 
scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this week. Therefore I have 
had to remove Chapter from the Book.

I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1 (numeric) but 
every time I update the book I get a pagination error message and it renumbers 
the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman Numerals (picking up from the TOC - 
which shouldn't have any affect on the Appendix file).

Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my Scriptorium 
manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the Book) but it also 
means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman Numerals.

I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.

Help,

Alison


Alison Craig, Technical Writer
Ultrasonix Medical Corporation
Tel: (604) 279-8550, ext 127
E-mail: alison.craig at 
ultrasonix.com<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alison.craig at 
ultrasonix.com>mailto:<http://us.mc527.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=alison.craig
 at ultrasonix.com>alison.craig at 
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Page Numbering Problems

[Stuart Rogers]

On 31/05/2010 2:11 PM, Alison Craig wrote:
> Version: FM9 (9.0p250) Unstructured OS: XP Pro with SP3 FM
> Experience: 11 months Writing Team: 1 (me)
>
> I'm sure I'm missing something simple, but...
>
> I have pared down my standard Book to create an Addenda template.
> Normally, the Addenda contains the TitlePage, TOC, Chapter (1 only)
> and Appendix (1 only). Pagination works fine in this version (TOC is
> number in Roam Numerals, Chapter starts at page 1 with an even number
> of pages and Appendix starts at the next page number - ie, if Chapter
> ends on 4, Appendix begins on 5).
>
> However, I've been thrown a curveball and not all the items
> originally scheduled for inclusion will be ready for release this
> week. Therefore I have had to remove Chapter from the Book.
>
> I went in and changed the pagination in Appendix to start at 1
> (numeric) but every time I update the book I get a pagination error
> message and it renumbers the Appendix starting at 3, but in Roman
> Numerals (picking up from the TOC - which shouldn't have any affect
> on the Appendix file).
>
> Changing the pagination with all files selected works (if I read my
> Scriptorium manual correctly, this should set the pagination for the
> Book) but it also means the TOC is no longer paginated in Roman
> Numerals.
>
> I'm sure I've missed a simple setting, but I can't figure out what.


Alison,

Make all your numbering settings in the Book window, *not* in the 
individual files.  Book settings override file settings (that's why you 
get the warning message).

The reason to work in the book window is this: Files can be used and 
printed individually, or they can be assembled in any order into any 
number of different books.  Only the Book window "knows" the order of 
the files in that particular book and therefore how the pages should be 
numbered in relation to each other.

best,

-- 
Stuart Rogers
Technical Communicator
Phoenix Geophysics Limited
3781 Victoria Park Avenue, Unit 3
Toronto, ON, Canada  M1W 3K5
+1 (416) 491-7340 x 325

http://www.phoenix-geophysics.com

RE: Customizing page numbering

[Adam Schweitzer]

It just needs to appear on the page.

Adam 

-Original Message-
From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:40 AM
To: Adam Schweitzer; framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Customizing page numbering

Hi Adam,

Do you need to be able to use this numbering in generated files (TOC,
IX,
etc.) and/or cross-references? Or does it just need to appear this way
on the page? Thanks.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
r...@frameexpert.com

*** Frame Automation blog at http://frameautomation.com



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[mailto:framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com] On Behalf Of Adam
Schweitzer
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:23 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Customizing page numbering

Hi All,
 
We have some documents which need to have pages numbered in the
following way:
n / (n + 1)
where n is the page number.  (IE. on page 33, it needs to say 33/34).
 
Inserting a variable defined as $curpagenum gives page n - but I
cannot figure out a way to insert n + 1 (ie. $curpagenum + 1 does not
give the result I hoped for..)
 
How would I go about doing this?
 
Regards,
Adam Schweitzer
Orenda Aerospace
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Customizing page numbering

[Adam Schweitzer]

It just needs to appear on the page.

Adam 

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From: Rick Quatro [mailto:r...@rickquatro.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:40 AM
To: Adam Schweitzer; framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Customizing page numbering

Hi Adam,

Do you need to be able to use this numbering in generated files (TOC,
IX,
etc.) and/or cross-references? Or does it just need to appear this way
on the page? Thanks.

Rick

Rick Quatro
Carmen Publishing Inc.
585-659-8267
rick at frameexpert.com

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Schweitzer
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:23 AM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Customizing page numbering

Hi All,

We have some documents which need to have pages numbered in the
following way:
n / (n + 1)
where n is the page number.  (IE. on page 33, it needs to say 33/34).

Inserting a variable defined as <$curpagenum> gives page n - but I
cannot figure out a way to insert n + 1 (ie. <$curpagenum + 1> does not
give the result I hoped for..)

How would I go about doing this?

Regards,
Adam Schweitzer
Orenda Aerospace
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Customizing page numbering

[Adam Schweitzer]

Hi All,
 
We have some documents which need to have pages numbered in the
following way:
n / (n + 1)
where n is the page number.  (IE. on page 33, it needs to say 33/34).
 
Inserting a variable defined as $curpagenum gives page n - but I
cannot figure out a way to insert n + 1 (ie. $curpagenum + 1 does not
give the result I hoped for..)
 
How would I go about doing this?
 
Regards,
Adam Schweitzer
Orenda Aerospace
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Re: Customizing page numbering

[Rene Stephenson]

Adam, logically if there's a 10 page document and the n / (n+1) formula were 
implemented, page 2 would say 2 / 3 ... page 3 would say 3 / 4 ... page 8 
would say 8 / 9 ...up to page 10, which would say 10 / 11 Is what you 
intend? I find that confusing. Or are you wanting page number of a total count 
of pages within a chapter, in which case the aforementioned 10 pager would be 
marked 2 /10...3 / 10... 8 / 10... 10 / 10...?

 
Rene



- Original Message 
From: Adam Schweitzer adam.schweit...@magellan.aero
[deletia]

We have some documents which need to have pages numbered in the
following way:
n / (n + 1)
where n is the page number.  (IE. on page 33, it needs to say 33/34).

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Re: Customizing page numbering

[Art Campbell]

OK, you didn't provide many details on your setup, but if you're doing
something where the back of the numbered page is actually 34, but in
the book it's blank... you could do this:

Start with the current page number variable for the visible page, as
you have it.

On the blank page, put a paragraph tag that you set up so the font is
white, so it won't be visible. Then insert the current page number
variable as the tag's content. Note that it needs to be in a body text
flow, but you can create a small text frame for a B text flow to hide
it, and so that it won't move with pagination changes.

Back on the visible page, put in a cross-reference to the hidden
paragraph tag, and specify $paranumonly as the contents of the
cross-ref format.


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On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Adam Schweitzer
adam.schweit...@magellan.aero wrote:
 Hi All,

 We have some documents which need to have pages numbered in the
 following way:
 n / (n + 1)
 where n is the page number.  (IE. on page 33, it needs to say 33/34).

 Inserting a variable defined as $curpagenum gives page n - but I
 cannot figure out a way to insert n + 1 (ie. $curpagenum + 1 does not
 give the result I hoped for..)

 How would I go about doing this?

 Regards,
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 Orenda Aerospace
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RE: Customizing page numbering

[Rick Quatro]

Hi Adam,

Do you need to be able to use this numbering in generated files (TOC, IX,
etc.) and/or cross-references? Or does it just need to appear this way on
the page? Thanks.

Rick

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Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:23 AM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Customizing page numbering

Hi All,
 
We have some documents which need to have pages numbered in the
following way:
n / (n + 1)
where n is the page number.  (IE. on page 33, it needs to say 33/34).
 
Inserting a variable defined as $curpagenum gives page n - but I
cannot figure out a way to insert n + 1 (ie. $curpagenum + 1 does not
give the result I hoped for..)
 
How would I go about doing this?
 
Regards,
Adam Schweitzer
Orenda Aerospace
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Customizing page numbering

[Rene Stephenson]

Adam, logically if there's a 10 page document and the "n / (n+1)" formula were 
implemented, page 2 would say "2 / 3" ... page 3 would say "3 / 4" ... page 8 
would say "8 / 9" ...up to page 10, which would say "10 / 11" Is what you 
intend? I find that confusing. Or are you wanting page number of a total count 
of pages within a chapter, in which case the aforementioned 10 pager would be 
marked "2 /10"..."3 / 10"... "8 / 10"... "10 / 10"...?


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- Original Message 
From: Adam Schweitzer 
[deletia]

We have some documents which need to have pages numbered in the
following way:
n / (n + 1)
where n is the page number.  (IE. on page 33, it needs to say 33/34).

[deletia]

Customizing page numbering

[Art Campbell]

OK, you didn't provide many details on your setup, but if you're doing
something where the back of the numbered page is actually 34, but in
the book it's blank... you could do this:

Start with the current page number variable for the visible page, as
you have it.

On the blank page, put a paragraph tag that you set up so the font is
white, so it won't be visible. Then insert the current page number
variable as the tag's content. Note that it needs to be in a body text
flow, but you can create a small text frame for a B text flow to hide
it, and so that it won't move with pagination changes.

Back on the "visible" page, put in a cross-reference to the hidden
paragraph tag, and specify <$paranumonly> as the contents of the
cross-ref format.


Art Campbell
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Vincent and a redheaded girl." -- Richard Thompson
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On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 8:22 AM, Adam Schweitzer
 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> We have some documents which need to have pages numbered in the
> following way:
> n / (n + 1)
> where n is the page number. ?(IE. on page 33, it needs to say 33/34).
>
> Inserting a variable defined as <$curpagenum> gives page n - but I
> cannot figure out a way to insert n + 1 (ie. <$curpagenum + 1> does not
> give the result I hoped for..)
>
> How would I go about doing this?
>
> Regards,
> Adam Schweitzer
> Orenda Aerospace
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[Rick Quatro]

Hi Adam,

Do you need to be able to use this numbering in generated files (TOC, IX,
etc.) and/or cross-references? Or does it just need to appear this way on
the page? Thanks.

Rick

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To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: Customizing page numbering

Hi All,

We have some documents which need to have pages numbered in the
following way:
n / (n + 1)
where n is the page number.  (IE. on page 33, it needs to say 33/34).

Inserting a variable defined as <$curpagenum> gives page n - but I
cannot figure out a way to insert n + 1 (ie. <$curpagenum + 1> does not
give the result I hoped for..)

How would I go about doing this?

Regards,
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Orenda Aerospace
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RE: Page Numbering Problem

[Combs, Richard]

Howard Rauch wrote:
 
 Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
 - Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
 - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
 - Delete Empty Pages
 
 Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
 - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
 
 This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a
 blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to Make Page Count Odd.
 
 The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream
 and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

Just thought of something else: Check the pagination settings of the first 
paragraph in the file following the problem file and make sure Start isn't set 
to Top of Right Page. 


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Polycom, Inc.
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Page Numbering Problem

[Alan T Litchfield]

If you delete the blank pages do they reappear after an update?

Alan

On 19/02/2010, at 12:52 PM, Howard Rauch wrote:

> FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
> Windows XP Pro
>
> What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am  
> having is that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I  
> use and I can't figure out why. The only change from the previous  
> version is that the chapter now has two pages instead of one, but FM  
> insists on adding a third page. I compared this version's settings  
> with the previous version. They are the same. I also compared the  
> settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. They are also the  
> same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The book  
> settings are as follows:
>
> Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
> - Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
> - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
> - Delete Empty Pages
>
> Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
> - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
>
> This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame  
> adds a blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to "Make Page Count  
> Odd."
>
> The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the  
> upstream and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.
>
> Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)
>
>

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Page Numbering Problem

[Combs, Richard]

Howard Rauch wrote:

> Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
> - Double Sided (I have?left and right master pages)
> - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
> - Delete Empty Pages
> 
> Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
> - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
> 
> This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a
> blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to "Make Page Count Odd."
> 
> The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream
> and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

Just thought of something else: Check the pagination settings of the first 
paragraph in the file following the problem file and make sure Start isn't set 
to Top of Right Page. 


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Page Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
Windows XP Pro

What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am having is that 
FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't figure out 
why. The only change from the previous version is that the chapter now has two 
pages instead of one, but FM insists on adding a third page. I compared this 
version's settings with the previous version. They are the same. I also 
compared the settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. They are also 
the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The book settings 
are as follows:

Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
- Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
- Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
- Delete Empty Pages

Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
- Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book

This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to Make Page Count Odd.

The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream and 
downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)

Howard

Technology Transfer, Inc.
Linking Creators and Users of Technology
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
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Re: Page Numbering Problem

[Alan T Litchfield]

If you delete the blank pages do they reappear after an update?

Alan

On 19/02/2010, at 12:52 PM, Howard Rauch wrote:

 FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
 Windows XP Pro

 What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am  
 having is that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I  
 use and I can't figure out why. The only change from the previous  
 version is that the chapter now has two pages instead of one, but FM  
 insists on adding a third page. I compared this version's settings  
 with the previous version. They are the same. I also compared the  
 settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. They are also the  
 same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The book  
 settings are as follows:

 Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
 - Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
 - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
 - Delete Empty Pages

 Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
 - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book

 This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame  
 adds a blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to Make Page Count  
 Odd.

 The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the  
 upstream and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

 Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)



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New Zealand
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Re: Page Numbering Problem

[Huntley Eshenroder]

You are likely to get better answers from others on the list but one
thing to check is that there aren't extra paragraph markers after the
last paragraph that are causing Frame to generate an extra page.

-Huntley



On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Howard Rauch
techtrans...@sbcglobal.net wrote:
 FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
 Windows XP Pro

 What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am having is 
 that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't 
 figure out why. The only change from the previous version is that the 
 chapter now has two pages instead of one, but FM insists on adding a third 
 page. I compared this version's settings with the previous version. They are 
 the same. I also compared the settings for the upstream and downstream 
 chapters. They are also the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- 
 Ditto. The book settings are as follows:

 Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
 - Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
 - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
 - Delete Empty Pages

 Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
 - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book

 This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
 blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to Make Page Count Odd.

 The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream 
 and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

 Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)

 Howard

 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
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RE: Page Numbering Problem

[Fred Ridder]

The key to making this work is to set the pagination properties from the book 
file rather than from the individual file and do *not* specify the starting 
page side except for the first file in the book (which will presumably start on 
a right page). What you need to use is the Next Available option for the 
starting page, and that option is only availabe from the book file. (An 
individual file has no knowledge of what precedes it so next available is a 
meanigless concept for an isolated file.) Keep the Delete Empty Pages option 
as-is and you should be all set after doing an Update Book. Note that you can 
set Next Available for multiple files by selecting all files that will have 
the same properties in the book window, right-clicking on the selection, and 
choosing Pagination from the context menu.

-Fred Ridder

 
 Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:52:52 -0800
 From: techtrans...@sbcglobal.net
 Subject: Page Numbering Problem
 To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
 
 FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
 Windows XP Pro
 
 What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am having is 
 that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't 
 figure out why. The only change from the previous version is that the chapter 
 now has two pages instead of one, but FM insists on adding a third page. I 
 compared this version's settings with the previous version. They are the 
 same. I also compared the settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. 
 They are also the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The 
 book settings are as follows:
 
 Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
 - Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
 - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
 - Delete Empty Pages
 
 Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
 - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
 
 This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
 blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to Make Page Count Odd.
 
 The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream 
 and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.
 
 Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)
 
 Howard
 
 Technology Transfer, Inc.
 Linking Creators and Users of Technology
 933 North 18th Street
 Manitowoc WI 54220
 Office: 920-682-1528
 Cell: 920-629-1782
 920-629-0080
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Page Numbering Problem

[Howard Rauch]

FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
Windows XP Pro

What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do??The problem I am?having is that 
FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't figure out 
why. The only change from the previous version is that the chapter?now has?two 
pages instead of?one, but FM insists on adding a third page. I compared this 
version's settings with?the previous version. They are the same. I also 
compared the?settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. They are also 
the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The book settings 
are as follows:

Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
- Double Sided (I have?left and right master pages)
- Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
- Delete Empty Pages

Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
- Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book

This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to "Make Page Count Odd."

The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream and 
downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)

Howard

Technology Transfer, Inc.
"Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
933 North 18th Street
Manitowoc WI 54220
Office: 920-682-1528
Cell: 920-629-1782
920-629-0080

Page Numbering Problem

[Huntley Eshenroder]

You are likely to get better answers from others on the list but one
thing to check is that there aren't extra paragraph markers after the
last paragraph that are causing Frame to generate an extra page.

-Huntley



On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 5:52 PM, Howard Rauch
 wrote:
> FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
> Windows XP Pro
>
> What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do??The problem I am?having is 
> that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't 
> figure out why. The only change from the previous version is that the 
> chapter?now has?two pages instead of?one, but FM insists on adding a third 
> page. I compared this version's settings with?the previous version. They are 
> the same. I also compared the?settings for the upstream and downstream 
> chapters. They are also the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- 
> Ditto. The book settings are as follows:
>
> Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
> - Double Sided (I have?left and right master pages)
> - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
> - Delete Empty Pages
>
> Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
> - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
>
> This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
> blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to "Make Page Count Odd."
>
> The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream 
> and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.
>
> Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)
>
> Howard
>
> Technology Transfer, Inc.
> "Linking Creators and Users of Technology"
> 933 North 18th Street
> Manitowoc WI 54220
> Office: 920-682-1528
> Cell: 920-629-1782
> 920-629-0080
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Page Numbering Problem

[Fred Ridder]

The key to making this work is to set the pagination properties from the book 
file rather than from the individual file and do *not* specify the starting 
page side except for the first file in the book (which will presumably start on 
a right page). What you need to use is the "Next Available" option for the 
starting page, and that option is only availabe from the book file. (An 
individual file has no knowledge of what precedes it so "next available" is a 
meanigless concept for an isolated file.) Keep the "Delete Empty Pages" option 
as-is and you should be all set after doing an Update Book. Note that you can 
set "Next Available for multiple files by selecting all files that will have 
the same properties in the book window, right-clicking on the selection, and 
choosing Pagination from the context menu.

-Fred Ridder


> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 15:52:52 -0800
> From: techtransfer at sbcglobal.net
> Subject: Page Numbering Problem
> To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
> 
> FrameMaker 7.0 (there are still some of us)
> Windows XP Pro
> 
> What am is doing wrong or what do I need to do? The problem I am having is 
> that FM now adds a blank page no matter what settings I use and I can't 
> figure out why. The only change from the previous version is that the chapter 
> now has two pages instead of one, but FM insists on adding a third page. I 
> compared this version's settings with the previous version. They are the 
> same. I also compared the settings for the upstream and downstream chapters. 
> They are also the same. I've also compared the books' settings -- Ditto. The 
> book settings are as follows:
> 
> Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
> - Double Sided (I have left and right master pages)
> - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
> - Delete Empty Pages
> 
> Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
> - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
> 
> This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a 
> blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to "Make Page Count Odd."
> 
> The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream 
> and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.
> 
> Any thoughts? (I am nearly to my wit's end with this problem.)
> 
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Page Numbering Problem

[Combs, Richard]

Howard Rauch wrote: 

> Under Format/Page Layout/Pagination
> - Double Sided (I have?left and right master pages)
> - Left Side (the chapter should begin on the left page)
> - Delete Empty Pages
> 
> Under Format/Document/Numbering/Page
> - Continue Numbering from Previous Page in Book
> 
> This chapter should be pages 18-19. When I renumber the book, Frame adds a
> blank page 20 and changes the Pagination to "Make Page Count Odd."
> 
> The settings are the identical for the chapter. I also checked the upstream
> and downstream chapters. They are set up the same way.

As Fred said, be sure to set the pagination in the book window (selecting all 
the files that should have the same settings), not in each file. But the first 
file doesn't just "presumably start on a right page, " it _must_. (Forgive the 
pedantry, Fred. :-) ) So some file before the first chapter has to have an odd 
number of pages. 

Fred's suggestion of using Next Available and Delete Empty pages makes sense if 
you don't care which side a chapter starts on, but since you say that not only 
this chapter, but the upstream and downstream ones have 1st Page Side set to 
Left, I'm assuming you want all chapters to start on the left side.  

For the chapter files, set Before Saving & Printing to Make Page Count Even. If 
all the chapters have 1st Page Side set to Left, setting it to Delete Empty 
Pages should give you the same result -- FM will still insert an empty page 
when necessary to start the next chapter on a left page. But making it explicit 
might help reveal the problem.

If you set Before Saving & Printing to Make Page Count Even, then updating the 
book should make the problem chapter either two pages or four. If it's four 
(18-21), then something is preventing FM from deleting the "empty" page 20, so 
it adds page 21 to make the count even. The only two things I can think of that 
will do that are content that you can't see or a custom master page.

You could have empty paragraphs at the end, as Huntley suggested (you should 
routinely work with View > Text Symbols turned on). But if that's the case, 
page 20 should be there even before you update the book. I'm getting ahead of 
myself -- I'm assuming there's a text frame on page 20 (you should have View > 
Borders turned on, too).

When you update the book, do you have Apply Master Pages selected? Check your 
reference pages for a master page mapping table. On page 20, go to Format > 
Page Layout > Master Page Usage. Is it set to a Custom master page? 

Zoom out on page 20, click in the margin, and press Ctrl+A (Edit > Select All 
On Page). If your page layout consists of the standard single text frame per 
page, that should be the only thing selected (header/footer and other master 
page "background" elements aren't part of the body page). Maybe there's 
something else on the page? 

That's all I can think of right now, and ought to give you some things to 
explore. HTH!


Richard G. Combs
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RE: single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

[Ken Poshedly]

Ouch, not so hard!!!

I'd heard from a few others about the Master Pages issue and will 
check into that when I get to the office this morning. (It's coming 
up on 6:30 a.m. here and I leave by 7 to get there by 8:30 a.m. -- a 
53-mile jaunt).

-- Kenpo in metro Atlanta


At 02:58 AM 2/16/2010, Combs, Richard wrote:
Ken, if you were here right now, I'd put on my chrome Patton helmet, 
slap you upside the head, and bark, Snap out of it, soldier! But 
that's probably just the adult beverages talking.

Stop looking at Format This and Format That, and actually 
_look_at_the_footers_ on your master pages. I'm guessing they 
contain either  -# or $chapnum-# (sans quotes, of course). 
Delete the - (or $chapnum-), and you're good to go.

But remind yourself not to import page layouts from a chapter file 
to your frontmatter files. If you're going to use folio numbering 
(chapter#-page#) for your chapters and traditional roman numbering 
(i, ii, etc.) for your frontmatter, then you have to use different 
master pages for the frontmatter files.

Richard


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From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Mon 2/15/2010 7:14 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

FM8.0 on a Windows Vista platform

I'm sure there's a simple answer for this, but I've really tried all
I can think of and can't seem to find a way to get rid of the
preceding hyphen for a page number within a footer.

Like it or not, I'm trying to place just a single, lower-case Roman
numeral in the footer of my TOC. So with the file open and Master
Pages view selected, I choose Format  Headers  Footers  Insert Page #

What I get is a hyphen preceding the pound-sign variable or
placeholder or whatever it is.

I've checked Format  Document  Numbering and tried to make sure
there is nothing in the Chapter box.

I've checked Format  Paragraph Designer  Numbering (just to see if
a hyphen is included in the numbering equation) but there is no
numbering scheme to found there at all.

I've checked Special  Variable  Edit Definition and deleted the
unnecessary building blocks for Current Page # (leaving only
$curpagenum with no preceding hyphen) and, for whatever reason,
that didn't work.

Note that in the rest of the book, I do use a chapter number with
hyphen with page number combo. But I don't want it that way in the
TOC and I don't want to designate the TOC as section 0. No comments,
please, on my choice of document or numbering decisions.

So short of actually typing in an i and an ii and so on, what else to do?

-- Kenpo in Atlanta


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single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

[Combs, Richard]

Ken, if you were here right now, I'd put on my chrome Patton helmet, slap you 
upside the head, and bark, "Snap out of it, soldier!" But that's probably just 
the adult beverages talking. 

Stop looking at Format This and Format That, and actually _look_at_the_footers_ 
on your master pages. I'm guessing they contain either " -#" or "<$chapnum>-#" 
(sans quotes, of course). Delete the "-" (or "<$chapnum>-"), and you're good to 
go. 

But remind yourself not to import page layouts from a chapter file to your 
frontmatter files. If you're going to use folio numbering (chapter#-page#) for 
your chapters and traditional roman numbering (i, ii, etc.) for your 
frontmatter, then you have to use different master pages for the frontmatter 
files. 

Richard



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Mon 2/15/2010 7:14 PM
To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
Subject: single character page numbering (with no hyphen)



FM8.0 on a Windows Vista platform

I'm sure there's a simple answer for this, but I've really tried all
I can think of and can't seem to find a way to get rid of the
preceding hyphen for a page number within a footer.

Like it or not, I'm trying to place just a single, lower-case Roman
numeral in the footer of my TOC. So with the file open and Master
Pages view selected, I choose Format > Headers & Footers > Insert Page #

What I get is a hyphen preceding the pound-sign variable or
placeholder or whatever it is.

I've checked Format > Document > Numbering and tried to make sure
there is nothing in the Chapter box.

I've checked Format > Paragraph Designer > Numbering (just to see if
a hyphen is included in the numbering equation) but there is no
numbering scheme to found there at all.

I've checked Special > Variable > Edit Definition and deleted the
unnecessary building blocks for Current Page # (leaving only
<$curpagenum> with no preceding hyphen) and, for whatever reason,
that didn't work.

Note that in the rest of the book, I do use a chapter number with
hyphen with page number combo. But I don't want it that way in the
TOC and I don't want to designate the TOC as section 0. No comments,
please, on my choice of document or numbering decisions.

So short of actually typing in an i and an ii and so on, what else to do?

-- Kenpo in Atlanta


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single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

[Ken Poshedly]

Ouch, not so hard!!!

I'd heard from a few others about the Master Pages issue and will 
check into that when I get to the office this morning. (It's coming 
up on 6:30 a.m. here and I leave by 7 to get there by 8:30 a.m. -- a 
53-mile jaunt).

-- Kenpo in metro Atlanta


At 02:58 AM 2/16/2010, Combs, Richard wrote:
>Ken, if you were here right now, I'd put on my chrome Patton helmet, 
>slap you upside the head, and bark, "Snap out of it, soldier!" But 
>that's probably just the adult beverages talking.
>
>Stop looking at Format This and Format That, and actually 
>_look_at_the_footers_ on your master pages. I'm guessing they 
>contain either " -#" or "<$chapnum>-#" (sans quotes, of course). 
>Delete the "-" (or "<$chapnum>-"), and you're good to go.
>
>But remind yourself not to import page layouts from a chapter file 
>to your frontmatter files. If you're going to use folio numbering 
>(chapter#-page#) for your chapters and traditional roman numbering 
>(i, ii, etc.) for your frontmatter, then you have to use different 
>master pages for the frontmatter files.
>
>Richard
>
>
>--
>From: framers-bounces at lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Ken Poshedly
>Sent: Mon 2/15/2010 7:14 PM
>To: framers at lists.frameusers.com
>Subject: single character page numbering (with no hyphen)
>
>FM8.0 on a Windows Vista platform
>
>I'm sure there's a simple answer for this, but I've really tried all
>I can think of and can't seem to find a way to get rid of the
>preceding hyphen for a page number within a footer.
>
>Like it or not, I'm trying to place just a single, lower-case Roman
>numeral in the footer of my TOC. So with the file open and Master
>Pages view selected, I choose Format > Headers & Footers > Insert Page #
>
>What I get is a hyphen preceding the pound-sign variable or
>placeholder or whatever it is.
>
>I've checked Format > Document > Numbering and tried to make sure
>there is nothing in the Chapter box.
>
>I've checked Format > Paragraph Designer > Numbering (just to see if
>a hyphen is included in the numbering equation) but there is no
>numbering scheme to found there at all.
>
>I've checked Special > Variable > Edit Definition and deleted the
>unnecessary building blocks for Current Page # (leaving only
><$curpagenum> with no preceding hyphen) and, for whatever reason,
>that didn't work.
>
>Note that in the rest of the book, I do use a chapter number with
>hyphen with page number combo. But I don't want it that way in the
>TOC and I don't want to designate the TOC as section 0. No comments,
>please, on my choice of document or numbering decisions.
>
>So short of actually typing in an i and an ii and so on, what else to do?
>
>-- Kenpo in Atlanta
>
>
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single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

[Ken Poshedly]

FM8.0 on a Windows Vista platform

I'm sure there's a simple answer for this, but I've really tried all 
I can think of and can't seem to find a way to get rid of the 
preceding hyphen for a page number within a footer.

Like it or not, I'm trying to place just a single, lower-case Roman 
numeral in the footer of my TOC. So with the file open and Master 
Pages view selected, I choose Format  Headers  Footers  Insert Page #

What I get is a hyphen preceding the pound-sign variable or 
placeholder or whatever it is.

I've checked Format  Document  Numbering and tried to make sure 
there is nothing in the Chapter box.

I've checked Format  Paragraph Designer  Numbering (just to see if 
a hyphen is included in the numbering equation) but there is no 
numbering scheme to found there at all.

I've checked Special  Variable  Edit Definition and deleted the 
unnecessary building blocks for Current Page # (leaving only 
$curpagenum with no preceding hyphen) and, for whatever reason, 
that didn't work.

Note that in the rest of the book, I do use a chapter number with 
hyphen with page number combo. But I don't want it that way in the 
TOC and I don't want to designate the TOC as section 0. No comments, 
please, on my choice of document or numbering decisions.

So short of actually typing in an i and an ii and so on, what else to do?

-- Kenpo in Atlanta


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Re: single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

[Writer]

Are you applying the same right/left master pages to the TOC as you're 
applying to the body chapters, or did you create a different template 
for the TOC? When you update the book, is the Apply Master Pages option 
cleared?

Nadine

On 15/02/2010 9:14 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote:
 FM8.0 on a Windows Vista platform

 I'm sure there's a simple answer for this, but I've really tried all
 I can think of and can't seem to find a way to get rid of the
 preceding hyphen for a page number within a footer.

 Like it or not, I'm trying to place just a single, lower-case Roman
 numeral in the footer of my TOC. So with the file open and Master
 Pages view selected, I choose Format  Headers  Footers  Insert Page #

 What I get is a hyphen preceding the pound-sign variable or
 placeholder or whatever it is.

 I've checked Format  Document  Numbering and tried to make sure
 there is nothing in the Chapter box.

 I've checked Format  Paragraph Designer  Numbering (just to see if
 a hyphen is included in the numbering equation) but there is no
 numbering scheme to found there at all.

 I've checked Special  Variable  Edit Definition and deleted the
 unnecessary building blocks for Current Page # (leaving only
 $curpagenum  with no preceding hyphen) and, for whatever reason,
 that didn't work.

 Note that in the rest of the book, I do use a chapter number with
 hyphen with page number combo. But I don't want it that way in the
 TOC and I don't want to designate the TOC as section 0. No comments,
 please, on my choice of document or numbering decisions.

 So short of actually typing in an i and an ii and so on, what else to do?

 -- Kenpo in Atlanta


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Re: single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

[Steve Johnson]

I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but hopefully this will help...
Our TOCs are set up this way and first, go to the master page and find
the page number. We define ours as a variable with this value:

$curpagenum

You should define the page numbering format at the book level, so from
the book, right-click the TOC, click Numbering, click the Page tab,
and make sure it's set for roman numerals.

Although this sounds like what you're doing, something is not right or
it would be working for you.

Finally, it doesn't make any difference if, in the Numbering dialog
box, you have something entered in the Chapter tag. That won't
automatically insert a hyphen in your TOC.

Save the changes to the book and regenerate.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Ken Poshedly poshe...@bellsouth.net wrote:
 FM8.0 on a Windows Vista platform

 I'm sure there's a simple answer for this, but I've really tried all
 I can think of and can't seem to find a way to get rid of the
 preceding hyphen for a page number within a footer.

 Like it or not, I'm trying to place just a single, lower-case Roman
 numeral in the footer of my TOC. So with the file open and Master
 Pages view selected, I choose Format  Headers  Footers  Insert Page #

 What I get is a hyphen preceding the pound-sign variable or
 placeholder or whatever it is.

 I've checked Format  Document  Numbering and tried to make sure
 there is nothing in the Chapter box.

 I've checked Format  Paragraph Designer  Numbering (just to see if
 a hyphen is included in the numbering equation) but there is no
 numbering scheme to found there at all.

 I've checked Special  Variable  Edit Definition and deleted the
 unnecessary building blocks for Current Page # (leaving only
 $curpagenum with no preceding hyphen) and, for whatever reason,
 that didn't work.

 Note that in the rest of the book, I do use a chapter number with
 hyphen with page number combo. But I don't want it that way in the
 TOC and I don't want to designate the TOC as section 0. No comments,
 please, on my choice of document or numbering decisions.

 So short of actually typing in an i and an ii and so on, what else to do?

 -- Kenpo in Atlanta


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RE: single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

[Combs, Richard]

Ken, if you were here right now, I'd put on my chrome Patton helmet, slap you 
upside the head, and bark, Snap out of it, soldier! But that's probably just 
the adult beverages talking. 
 
Stop looking at Format This and Format That, and actually _look_at_the_footers_ 
on your master pages. I'm guessing they contain either  -# or $chapnum-# 
(sans quotes, of course). Delete the - (or $chapnum-), and you're good to 
go. 
 
But remind yourself not to import page layouts from a chapter file to your 
frontmatter files. If you're going to use folio numbering (chapter#-page#) for 
your chapters and traditional roman numbering (i, ii, etc.) for your 
frontmatter, then you have to use different master pages for the frontmatter 
files. 
 
Richard



From: framers-boun...@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Ken Poshedly
Sent: Mon 2/15/2010 7:14 PM
To: framers@lists.frameusers.com
Subject: single character page numbering (with no hyphen)



FM8.0 on a Windows Vista platform

I'm sure there's a simple answer for this, but I've really tried all
I can think of and can't seem to find a way to get rid of the
preceding hyphen for a page number within a footer.

Like it or not, I'm trying to place just a single, lower-case Roman
numeral in the footer of my TOC. So with the file open and Master
Pages view selected, I choose Format  Headers  Footers  Insert Page #

What I get is a hyphen preceding the pound-sign variable or
placeholder or whatever it is.

I've checked Format  Document  Numbering and tried to make sure
there is nothing in the Chapter box.

I've checked Format  Paragraph Designer  Numbering (just to see if
a hyphen is included in the numbering equation) but there is no
numbering scheme to found there at all.

I've checked Special  Variable  Edit Definition and deleted the
unnecessary building blocks for Current Page # (leaving only
$curpagenum with no preceding hyphen) and, for whatever reason,
that didn't work.

Note that in the rest of the book, I do use a chapter number with
hyphen with page number combo. But I don't want it that way in the
TOC and I don't want to designate the TOC as section 0. No comments,
please, on my choice of document or numbering decisions.

So short of actually typing in an i and an ii and so on, what else to do?

-- Kenpo in Atlanta


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single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

[Ken Poshedly]

FM8.0 on a Windows Vista platform

I'm sure there's a simple answer for this, but I've really tried all 
I can think of and can't seem to find a way to get rid of the 
preceding hyphen for a page number within a footer.

Like it or not, I'm trying to place just a single, lower-case Roman 
numeral in the footer of my TOC. So with the file open and Master 
Pages view selected, I choose Format > Headers & Footers > Insert Page #

What I get is a hyphen preceding the pound-sign variable or 
placeholder or whatever it is.

I've checked Format > Document > Numbering and tried to make sure 
there is nothing in the Chapter box.

I've checked Format > Paragraph Designer > Numbering (just to see if 
a hyphen is included in the numbering equation) but there is no 
numbering scheme to found there at all.

I've checked Special > Variable > Edit Definition and deleted the 
unnecessary building blocks for Current Page # (leaving only 
<$curpagenum> with no preceding hyphen) and, for whatever reason, 
that didn't work.

Note that in the rest of the book, I do use a chapter number with 
hyphen with page number combo. But I don't want it that way in the 
TOC and I don't want to designate the TOC as section 0. No comments, 
please, on my choice of document or numbering decisions.

So short of actually typing in an i and an ii and so on, what else to do?

-- Kenpo in Atlanta

single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

[Writer]

Are you applying the same right/left master pages to the TOC as you're 
applying to the body chapters, or did you create a different template 
for the TOC? When you update the book, is the Apply Master Pages option 
cleared?

Nadine

On 15/02/2010 9:14 PM, Ken Poshedly wrote:
> FM8.0 on a Windows Vista platform
>
> I'm sure there's a simple answer for this, but I've really tried all
> I can think of and can't seem to find a way to get rid of the
> preceding hyphen for a page number within a footer.
>
> Like it or not, I'm trying to place just a single, lower-case Roman
> numeral in the footer of my TOC. So with the file open and Master
> Pages view selected, I choose Format>  Headers&  Footers>  Insert Page #
>
> What I get is a hyphen preceding the pound-sign variable or
> placeholder or whatever it is.
>
> I've checked Format>  Document>  Numbering and tried to make sure
> there is nothing in the Chapter box.
>
> I've checked Format>  Paragraph Designer>  Numbering (just to see if
> a hyphen is included in the numbering equation) but there is no
> numbering scheme to found there at all.
>
> I've checked Special>  Variable>  Edit Definition and deleted the
> unnecessary building blocks for Current Page # (leaving only
> <$curpagenum>  with no preceding hyphen) and, for whatever reason,
> that didn't work.
>
> Note that in the rest of the book, I do use a chapter number with
> hyphen with page number combo. But I don't want it that way in the
> TOC and I don't want to designate the TOC as section 0. No comments,
> please, on my choice of document or numbering decisions.
>
> So short of actually typing in an i and an ii and so on, what else to do?
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single character page numbering (with no hyphen)

[Steve Johnson]

I'm not sure what you're doing wrong but hopefully this will help...
Our TOCs are set up this way and first, go to the master page and find
the page number. We define ours as a variable with this value:

<$curpagenum>

You should define the page numbering format at the book level, so from
the book, right-click the TOC, click Numbering, click the Page tab,
and make sure it's set for roman numerals.

Although this sounds like what you're doing, something is not right or
it would be working for you.

Finally, it doesn't make any difference if, in the Numbering dialog
box, you have something entered in the Chapter tag. That won't
automatically insert a hyphen in your TOC.

Save the changes to the book and regenerate.

On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 8:14 PM, Ken Poshedly  wrote:
> FM8.0 on a Windows Vista platform
>
> I'm sure there's a simple answer for this, but I've really tried all
> I can think of and can't seem to find a way to get rid of the
> preceding hyphen for a page number within a footer.
>
> Like it or not, I'm trying to place just a single, lower-case Roman
> numeral in the footer of my TOC. So with the file open and Master
> Pages view selected, I choose Format > Headers & Footers > Insert Page #
>
> What I get is a hyphen preceding the pound-sign variable or
> placeholder or whatever it is.
>
> I've checked Format > Document > Numbering and tried to make sure
> there is nothing in the Chapter box.
>
> I've checked Format > Paragraph Designer > Numbering (just to see if
> a hyphen is included in the numbering equation) but there is no
> numbering scheme to found there at all.
>
> I've checked Special > Variable > Edit Definition and deleted the
> unnecessary building blocks for Current Page # (leaving only
> <$curpagenum> with no preceding hyphen) and, for whatever reason,
> that didn't work.
>
> Note that in the rest of the book, I do use a chapter number with
> hyphen with page number combo. But I don't want it that way in the
> TOC and I don't want to designate the TOC as section 0. No comments,
> please, on my choice of document or numbering decisions.
>
> So short of actually typing in an i and an ii and so on, what else to do?
>
> -- Kenpo in Atlanta
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RE: Dual page numbering

[Combs, Richard]

John Sgammato wrote:

 The bottom line: the customer asked for absolute page numbers, not an
 appraisal of his cognitive development  ;-)

Well, that settles it, doesn't it? :-) 

I didn't realize this was your customer. I assumed that this was a
request from a peer or another dept. 

insert Emily Litella quote here 

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Re: Dual page numbering

[Art Campbell]

To get back to the original topic

It sounds to me as if the solution would be a FrameScript that would
do the absolute page counting outside the document and insert a text
value based on the script's page count. And it would need a loop to
remove existing numbers when you ran it to update. Any of you
Scripters care to comment on whether that would work or not?

The other tier, Chapter-PG numbering, is easy to set up inside FM.

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Combs, Richard
richard.co...@polycom.com wrote:
 John Sgammato wrote:

 The bottom line: the customer asked for absolute page numbers, not an
 appraisal of his cognitive development  ;-)

 Well, that settles it, doesn't it? :-)

 I didn't realize this was your customer. I assumed that this was a
 request from a peer or another dept.

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[Combs, Richard]

John Sgammato wrote:

> The bottom line: the customer asked for absolute page numbers, not an
> appraisal of his cognitive development  ;-)

Well, that settles it, doesn't it? :-) 

I didn't realize this was your customer. I assumed that this was a
request from a peer or another dept. 

 

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Dual page numbering

[Art Campbell]

To get back to the original topic

It sounds to me as if the solution would be a FrameScript that would
do the absolute page counting outside the document and insert a text
value based on the script's page count. And it would need a loop to
remove existing numbers when you ran it to update. Any of you
Scripters care to comment on whether that would work or not?

The other tier, Chapter-PG numbering, is easy to set up inside FM.

Art

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On Thu, Mar 12, 2009 at 10:07 AM, Combs, Richard
 wrote:
> John Sgammato wrote:
>
>> The bottom line: the customer asked for absolute page numbers, not an
>> appraisal of his cognitive development ?;-)
>
> Well, that settles it, doesn't it? :-)
>
> I didn't realize this was your customer. I assumed that this was a
> request from a peer or another dept.
>
> 
>
> Richard
>
>
> Richard G. Combs
> Senior Technical Writer
> Polycom, Inc.
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Dual page numbering

[John Sgammato]

Our trainer wants to include both chapter-oriented numbering AND
absolute page numbering in training materials derived from my manuals. 
It looks like in FM8 (unstructured) I can set page numbering to be one
or the other. 
Is there a way to have it both ways? Some sort of user variable that I
can set to restart with each chapter while the page numbering continues
from previous? Or is it just a limitation of FrameMaker 8 that I can one
or the other but not both?

John Sgammato
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Imprivata, Inc.
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Re: Dual page numbering

[Art Campbell]

John,

You have two options, plus a few corner case methods.

The easiest would be:

In the master page, either insert a $chapnum variable before the
Current Page # (that contains $curpagenum) variable, or you can
modify the Current Page # definition to include both:
$chapnum-$curpagenum.

Then propagate the modified file changes to your other files with
Import Formats.

In the Book file, set the Chapter numbering property to increase in
all but the first file, which you hard wire to 1. The Page numbering
property for each file in the book should probably stay as you have
it, to continue incrementing, assuming that  you're using sequential
pages.

Art

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.com wrote:
 Our trainer wants to include both chapter-oriented numbering AND
 absolute page numbering in training materials derived from my manuals.
 It looks like in FM8 (unstructured) I can set page numbering to be one
 or the other.
 Is there a way to have it both ways? Some sort of user variable that I
 can set to restart with each chapter while the page numbering continues
 from previous? Or is it just a limitation of FrameMaker 8 that I can one
 or the other but not both?

 John Sgammato
 Principal Technical Writer
 Imprivata, Inc.
 [v] (781) 674-2441

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RE: Dual page numbering

[Fred Ridder]

John Sgammato wrote:

 Our trainer wants to include both chapter-oriented numbering AND
 absolute page numbering in training materials derived from my manuals. 
 It looks like in FM8 (unstructured) I can set page numbering to be one
 or the other. 
 Is there a way to have it both ways? Some sort of user variable that I
 can set to restart with each chapter while the page numbering continues
 from previous? Or is it just a limitation of FrameMaker 8 that I can one
 or the other but not both?


If your deliverable is a PDF, you can use Acrobat to add a header or footer 
that includes a page numbering sequence that is independent from the one 
produced by FrameMaker. I'm not sure what versions/editions of Acrobat include 
this feature, but it's there and working in my installation of 9.0 
Professional. I seem to recall that the feature was introduced in 7.0, but 
don't know if it was limited to only Pro (vs. Standard) as some of the other 
advanced features were. 

Acrobat 9.0 Professional also has the capability to add Bates numbering 
(commonly used for legal documents) to PDF documents, and that looks like it 
should work as another route to the same goal (maybe you need a *third* 
different page numbering scheme, too???).

-Fred Ridder

 
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Re: Dual page numbering

[Milan Davidovic]

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.com wrote:
 Our trainer wants to include both chapter-oriented numbering AND
 absolute page numbering in training materials derived from my manuals.

A bit OT, but did your trainer say why?

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RE: Dual page numbering

[John Sgammato]

He did. He uses the chapter numbering within a unit to reassure the user
that none of the parts is really big and scary. He feels that if he
takes a break on page 62, students may be dismayed and the endless
boring class. But if no unit has more than 16 to 20 pages, then he
expects a sense of moving right along, making progress with an easy
subject. Most classroom references would use the chapter-oriented
numbering.
OTOH the absolute numbering helps us work together and helps him work
with other trainers when they need to reference a specific page. They
were having trouble getting on the same page with 24 different page
3s...

Thanks everyone for the input. For now I will run with Fred's Acrobat
trick to get this thing to print tomorrow. I will then look into
tweaking master pages for a more long-term solution. I am still not sure
I understand the solutions I have seen; I will delve into them more
tomorrow.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 4:07 PM
To: John Sgammato
Cc: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: Re: Dual page numbering

On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM, John Sgammato jsgamm...@imprivata.com
wrote:
 Our trainer wants to include both chapter-oriented numbering AND 
 absolute page numbering in training materials derived from my manuals.

A bit OT, but did your trainer say why?

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RE: Dual page numbering

[Combs, Richard]

John Sgammato wrote: 
 
 He did. He uses the chapter numbering within a unit to reassure the
user
 that none of the parts is really big and scary. He feels that if he
 takes a break on page 62, students may be dismayed and the endless
 boring class. But if no unit has more than 16 to 20 pages, then he
 expects a sense of moving right along, making progress with an easy
 subject. Most classroom references would use the chapter-oriented
 numbering.
 OTOH the absolute numbering helps us work together and helps him work
 with other trainers when they need to reference a specific page. They
 were having trouble getting on the same page with 24 different page
 3s...

But there shouldn't be 24 different page 3s. If you're going to restart
numbering for each chapter, you need to use what's called folio (or
chapter-page) numbering: 

1-1, 1-2, 1-3, ..., 2-1, 2-2, ..., 3-1, 3-2, ...

It should be clear even to a trainer (that's a joke) that page 3-17 and
page 6-17 aren't the same page. In Acrobat, you can set the numbering to
match -- or save a lot of time by getting Rick Quatro's PageLabeler
plugin, which transfers FM's page numbering to the PDF. 

Setting up folio numbering in FM is a bit of work. You really should
create a new set of templates (not from scratch, of course, but starting
from your existing templates) for folio-numbered books. 

-- On the master pages, you have to insert the Chapter Number variable
and a dash or hyphen (I use an N dash) in front of the page numbers. 

-- In the generated list specs (ref pages), you have to insert the
$chapnum building block and dash/hyphen in front of the page numbers. 

-- All your cross-reference formats that include a page number need to
be modified to include the $chapnum and dash/hyphen (non-breaking). 

-- If you want to create xrefs to front-matter pages (like a
preface/intro) that use roman page numbering (i, ii, iii, ...), you'll
need special xref formats without the $chapnum just for those. 

-- If you want to index front-matter, you'll need a dedicated marker --
say, IndexFront. In the ref page index spec (IX flow), you'll need an
IndexIX pgf that includes the $chapnum and an IndexFrontIX pgf that
has only $pagenum.

-- You'll also need front-matter-specific versions of headings you want
included in the TOC. For instance, you might need a Head1Intro pgf
that's identical to your Head1 pgf. But in the ref page TOC spec,
Head1TOC includes the $chapnum and Head1IntroTOC doesn't. 

-- If you have table and/or figure captions, you'll have to decide
whether you want to restart their numbering with each chapter, too, and
if so, modify their autonumbering to include $chapnum also. And modify
the ref page specs for the LOF and LOT accordingly.  

-- For the numbering properties, set Chapter as follows: 

Front-matter files: Chapter # doesn't matter
1st chapter: Chapter # = 1, Format = Numeric 
1st appendix: Chapter # = 1, Format = ALPHABETIC 
Subsequent chapters/appendices: Continue Numbering From Previous File 
Index: Chapter # = Index, Format = Text

-- For every file except front-matter, set Page to First Page # = 1,
Format = Numeric 

-- For front-matter files, set Page Format = roman, with Page # = 1 for
the title page file and Continue Numbering for any subsequent
front-matter files.

I may be forgetting something, but that should get you started. Or
dissuade you ... ;-)

Richard


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RE: Dual page numbering

[John Sgammato]

I already use the chapter-page numbering. The existing pages list the
unit name followed by a hyphen and the page number. So there are not 24
naked page 3s, there's a Intro-3 and a Something-3 and a Something
Else-3. 
The chapter names (vs numbers) make it possible for trainers to re-order
or abandon units as needed without having chapter numbers end up out of
order. 
The absolute page numbers would naturally end up out of order, but they
are gray and out of the way,intended to be used by me and the trainers
between classes while the more obvious chapter name-page numbers
intended to be used in class are much more visible at the bottom-center
of the page.  

Another solution would be to include the absolute page numbers only on a
teacher's edition but I don't want to get into that discussion just
yet.

john

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 5:47 PM
To: John Sgammato; Milan Davidovic
Cc: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Dual page numbering

John Sgammato wrote: 
 
 He did. He uses the chapter numbering within a unit to reassure the
user
 that none of the parts is really big and scary. He feels that if he 
 takes a break on page 62, students may be dismayed and the endless 
 boring class. But if no unit has more than 16 to 20 pages, then he 
 expects a sense of moving right along, making progress with an easy 
 subject. Most classroom references would use the chapter-oriented 
 numbering.
 OTOH the absolute numbering helps us work together and helps him work 
 with other trainers when they need to reference a specific page. They 
 were having trouble getting on the same page with 24 different page 
 3s...

But there shouldn't be 24 different page 3s. If you're going to restart
numbering for each chapter, you need to use what's called folio (or
chapter-page) numbering: 

1-1, 1-2, 1-3, ..., 2-1, 2-2, ..., 3-1, 3-2, ...

It should be clear even to a trainer (that's a joke) that page 3-17 and
page 6-17 aren't the same page. In Acrobat, you can set the numbering to
match -- or save a lot of time by getting Rick Quatro's PageLabeler
plugin, which transfers FM's page numbering to the PDF. 

Setting up folio numbering in FM is a bit of work. You really should
create a new set of templates (not from scratch, of course, but starting
from your existing templates) for folio-numbered books. 

-- On the master pages, you have to insert the Chapter Number variable
and a dash or hyphen (I use an N dash) in front of the page numbers. 

-- In the generated list specs (ref pages), you have to insert the
$chapnum building block and dash/hyphen in front of the page numbers. 

-- All your cross-reference formats that include a page number need to
be modified to include the $chapnum and dash/hyphen (non-breaking). 

-- If you want to create xrefs to front-matter pages (like a
preface/intro) that use roman page numbering (i, ii, iii, ...), you'll
need special xref formats without the $chapnum just for those. 

-- If you want to index front-matter, you'll need a dedicated marker --
say, IndexFront. In the ref page index spec (IX flow), you'll need an
IndexIX pgf that includes the $chapnum and an IndexFrontIX pgf that
has only $pagenum.

-- You'll also need front-matter-specific versions of headings you want
included in the TOC. For instance, you might need a Head1Intro pgf
that's identical to your Head1 pgf. But in the ref page TOC spec,
Head1TOC includes the $chapnum and Head1IntroTOC doesn't. 

-- If you have table and/or figure captions, you'll have to decide
whether you want to restart their numbering with each chapter, too, and
if so, modify their autonumbering to include $chapnum also. And modify
the ref page specs for the LOF and LOT accordingly.  

-- For the numbering properties, set Chapter as follows: 

Front-matter files: Chapter # doesn't matter 1st chapter: Chapter # = 1,
Format = Numeric 1st appendix: Chapter # = 1, Format = ALPHABETIC
Subsequent chapters/appendices: Continue Numbering From Previous File
Index: Chapter # = Index, Format = Text

-- For every file except front-matter, set Page to First Page # = 1,
Format = Numeric 

-- For front-matter files, set Page Format = roman, with Page # = 1 for
the title page file and Continue Numbering for any subsequent
front-matter files.

I may be forgetting something, but that should get you started. Or
dissuade you ... ;-)

Richard


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RE: Dual page numbering

[Matt Sullivan]

I score it this way:

Richard: 1 point each for 3 consistent and logic observations

John: 3 points for snapping us back into reality 

What's the applicable quote here? Something like: 
The reasonable man adjusts to reality, the unreasonable man demands that
reality adjust to him. 
All progress depends on the unreasonable man.

-Matt

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Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 3:11 PM
To: Combs, Richard
Cc: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Dual page numbering

Even those who are not cognitively impaired can get frustrated when a unit
has come out of order and it replaced in the wrong spot. In order to keep
the flexibility of removing or re-ordering units, there is no ToC in the
deliverable. I could give one to each teacher for the purpose of getting
things back in order, but absolute page numbers would be quicker and easier.

The bottom line: the customer asked for absolute page numbers, not an
appraisal of his cognitive development  ;-)
  

-Original Message-
From: Combs, Richard [mailto:richard.co...@polycom.com]
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 6:04 PM
To: John Sgammato
Cc: fram...@frameusers.com
Subject: RE: Dual page numbering

John Sgammato wrote:
 
 I already use the chapter-page numbering. The existing pages list the 
 unit name followed by a hyphen and the page number. So there are not
24
 naked page 3s, there's a Intro-3 and a Something-3 and a Something 
 Else-3.

But if you already have a Something-3 and a Something Else-3, then the
trainers shouldn't _be_ having trouble getting on the same page with 24
different page 3s... -- unless they're cognitively impaired. 

You're being asked to kludge up a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
I'd politely decline. But that's just me... 

Richard 


Richard G. Combs
Senior Technical Writer
Polycom, Inc.
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Dual page numbering

[John Sgammato]

Our trainer wants to include both chapter-oriented numbering AND
absolute page numbering in training materials derived from my manuals. 
It looks like in FM8 (unstructured) I can set page numbering to be one
or the other. 
Is there a way to have it both ways? Some sort of user variable that I
can set to restart with each chapter while the page numbering continues
from previous? Or is it just a limitation of FrameMaker 8 that I can one
or the other but not both?

John Sgammato
Principal Technical Writer
Imprivata, Inc.
[v] (781) 674-2441

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Dual page numbering

[Art Campbell]

John,

You have two options, plus a few corner case methods.

The easiest would be:

In the master page, either insert a <$chapnum> variable before the
Current Page # (that contains <$curpagenum>) variable, or you can
modify the Current Page # definition to include both:
<$chapnum>-<$curpagenum>.

Then propagate the modified file changes to your other files with
Import Formats.

In the Book file, set the Chapter numbering property to increase in
all but the first file, which you hard wire to 1. The Page numbering
property for each file in the book should probably stay as you have
it, to continue incrementing, assuming that  you're using sequential
pages.

Art

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On Wed, Mar 11, 2009 at 2:35 PM, John Sgammato  
wrote:
> Our trainer wants to include both chapter-oriented numbering AND
> absolute page numbering in training materials derived from my manuals.
> It looks like in FM8 (unstructured) I can set page numbering to be one
> or the other.
> Is there a way to have it both ways? Some sort of user variable that I
> can set to restart with each chapter while the page numbering continues
> from previous? Or is it just a limitation of FrameMaker 8 that I can one
> or the other but not both?
>
> John Sgammato
> Principal Technical Writer
> Imprivata, Inc.
> [v] (781) 674-2441
>
> www.imprivata.com
> Explore the Imprivata OneSign Solutions Site
> <http://www.imprivata.com/demosite/> ?- see product demos and learn how
> OneSign has made organizations successful.
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