Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markers
I've been following this thread with interest because I've got a similar problem. In my case, the books in the library are not in the same folder and I'd rather they weren't because of the structure in the CVS repository where they live. However, when we install the PDFs, they'll be in the same folder. So could I use a FrameMaker marker to create a hyperlink from one book to another, specifying a relative path? I realize it'll break if someone moves the PDF to another folder, but the displayed text should give point them in the right direction anyway. I'm also generating Eclipse Help and maintaining the link there is going to be trickier because I really don't know where the HTML files end up being installed. Not expecting an answer, but if anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them. I'm using FrameMaker 10 on Windows 7. Fei Min Lorente ON Semiconductor -- Message: 4 Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2015 15:51:52 -0400 From: John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com To: David Artman da...@davidartman.com Cc: framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com Subject: Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markers Message-ID: CAKwJh12wQ5wHojcxybBBnuekM=fhzrh6ebbaa6rbvce0puo...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 That's pretty much what we do now, but it's hard to have all the books open at once when four writers are hurtling toward a deadline... And we have found that customer-users often copy a doc to email to a colleague or to use elsewhere and then the links break. It's not a stopper for now, but I'd love to find a more robust solution. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 3:44 PM, David Artman da...@davidartman.com wrote: I concur with Robert, unless you're facing other issue that you didn't mention in your post. Have all the BOOK files open when you print to PDF; and esure that the resulting PDFs are located in the same relative file structure as the BOOK files. [If I were you, I'd put all BOOK files in one folder, for simplicity of access, regardless of where you let choose to locate your working FM-type and graphics files.] Barring that, you could do something with Named Desitnations I reckon... but that's just a major pain: as you noted, you won't know the base location to make aboslute/hyperlink references in the FM files. But if it's your company's system to setup and install, it should be trivial just to make a docs folder on it somewhere and plop all your PDFs in that (and a shortcut to the 'master' document, perhaps, on the All Users Desktop). Done deal. David Original Message Subject: Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markers From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com Date: Mon, March 23, 2015 12:05 pm To: John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com I've defined cross-references between FrameMaker files that worked across generated PDFs, provided the PDFs were in the same positions relative to each other in the directory structure (e.g. all in the same directory) as the FrameMaker books were. It used to be that all the files in all the books had to be open when generating the PDFs for that to work, but it has been a few years since I did that. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:58 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: I generate a library of PDFs that are delivered to the customer inside a server that we sell and install for them. Some of our customers are in secure facilities with no outside internet access, so I can't just point them to our knowledge base. I need a way to link from one PDF to another, when they are all served from that customer server. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as da...@davidartman.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/david%40davidartma n.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40ac tifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers
RE: post-processing a PDF with FM markers
I concur with Robert, unless you're facing other issue that you didn't mention in your post. Have all the BOOK files open when you print to PDF; and esure that the resulting PDFs are located in the same relative file structure as the BOOK files. [If I were you, I'd put all BOOK files in one folder, for simplicity of access, regardless of where you let choose to locate your working FM-type and graphics files.] Barring that, you could do something with Named Desitnations I reckon... but that's just a major pain: as you noted, you won't know the base location to make aboslute/hyperlink references in the FM files. But if it's your company's system to setup and install, it should be trivial just to make a docs folder on it somewhere and plop all your PDFs in that (and a shortcut to the 'master' document, perhaps, on the All Users Desktop). Done deal. David Original Message Subject: Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markersFrom: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.comDate: Mon, March 23, 2015 12:05 pmTo: John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com, "framers@lists.frameusers.com" framers@lists.frameusers.comI've defined cross-references between FrameMaker files that workedacross generated PDFs, provided the PDFs were in the same positionsrelative to each other in the directory structure (e.g. all in thesame directory) as the FrameMaker books were.It used to be that all the files in all the books had to be open whengenerating the PDFs for that to work, but it has been a few yearssince I did that.On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:58 AM, John Sgammatojohn.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: I generate a library of PDFs that are delivered to the customer inside a server that we sell and install for them. Some of our customers are in secure facilities with no outside internet access, so I can't just point them to our knowledge base. I need a way to link from one PDF to another, when they are all served from that customer server.___You are currently subscribed to framers as da...@davidartman.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/david%40davidartman.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markers
That's pretty much what we do now, but it's hard to have all the books open at once when four writers are hurtling toward a deadline... And we have found that customer-users often copy a doc to email to a colleague or to use elsewhere and then the links break. It's not a stopper for now, but I'd love to find a more robust solution. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 3:44 PM, David Artman da...@davidartman.com wrote: I concur with Robert, unless you're facing other issue that you didn't mention in your post. Have all the BOOK files open when you print to PDF; and esure that the resulting PDFs are located in the same relative file structure as the BOOK files. [If I were you, I'd put all BOOK files in one folder, for simplicity of access, regardless of where you let choose to locate your working FM-type and graphics files.] Barring that, you could do something with Named Desitnations I reckon... but that's just a major pain: as you noted, you won't know the base location to make aboslute/hyperlink references in the FM files. But if it's your company's system to setup and install, it should be trivial just to make a docs folder on it somewhere and plop all your PDFs in that (and a shortcut to the 'master' document, perhaps, on the All Users Desktop). Done deal. David Original Message Subject: Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markers From: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.com Date: Mon, March 23, 2015 12:05 pm To: John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com, framers@lists.frameusers.com framers@lists.frameusers.com I've defined cross-references between FrameMaker files that worked across generated PDFs, provided the PDFs were in the same positions relative to each other in the directory structure (e.g. all in the same directory) as the FrameMaker books were. It used to be that all the files in all the books had to be open when generating the PDFs for that to work, but it has been a few years since I did that. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:58 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: I generate a library of PDFs that are delivered to the customer inside a server that we sell and install for them. Some of our customers are in secure facilities with no outside internet access, so I can't just point them to our knowledge base. I need a way to link from one PDF to another, when they are all served from that customer server. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as da...@davidartman.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/david%40davidartman.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40actifio.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- http://www.actifio.com/*John Sgammato, Documentation Architect* *e* john.sgamm...@actifio.com *c* 508.927.2083 *t* @actifiodocs http://twitter.com/actifiodocs 333 Wyman Street, Waltham, MA 02451 http://twitter.com/actifiohttp://www.linkedin.com/company/399246 https://plus.google.com/102870897962348937868/posts http://www.youtube.com/user/actifiohttp://www.actifio.com/ *Radically simple copy data management * *.* ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: post-processing a PDF with FM markers
If you find a solution to maintining cross-document links when a user emails the file to another system... publish and patent it and wait for your Nobel in Physics! ;-) Shlomo's method will work, too, of course... but not if moved to where the satellite PDF can't resolve the host domain/IP (same Impossible Thing Beore Breakfast as above, just with path types: relative v absolute). But the draw back of that method is (a) you can't just use 'quick' FM xrefs but have to insert 'slow' hyperlink markers and (b) it adds yet-another implementation step when someone sets up the server--and in my experience, when the Doc Team asks for other to do work to implement their functionality, folks get irritable. :-) [I also suspect it might not future-proof well, should you begin to deliver to multiple output types and devices. But having never actually done doc cross-links that way in 20 years of FM use... I wold have to test thoroughly to be confident.] It's your boat to ffloa, but I've done 10-document sets with a team of 15 writers without the least hassle. You just gotta (a) do production in bluck, at the end or (b) use a CMS/VCS and risk not having the most-current updates when you generate a set for delivery. But that is an issue that's totally orthogonal to the method you choose--nothing about how you make FM cross links is going to help you if you do not have a coordinated publishing workflow. Bon chance... David Original Message Subject: Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markersFrom: John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.comDate: Tue, March 24, 2015 3:51 pmTo: David Artman da...@davidartman.comCc: "framers@lists.frameusers.com" framers@lists.frameusers.com That's pretty much what we do now, but it's hard to have all the books open at once when four writers are hurtling toward a deadline... And we have found that customer-users often copy a doc to email to a colleague or to use elsewhere and then the links break. It's not a stopper for now, but I'd love to find a more robust solution. On Tue, Mar 24, 2015 at 3:44 PM, David Artman da...@davidartman.com wrote: I concur with Robert, unless you're facing other issue that you didn't mention in your post. Have all the BOOK files open when you print to PDF; and esure that the resulting PDFs are located in the same relative file structure as the BOOK files. [If I were you, I'd put all BOOK files in one folder, for simplicity of access, regardless of where you let choose to locate your working FM-type and graphics files.] Barring that, you could do something with Named Desitnations I reckon... but that's just a major pain: as you noted, you won't know the base location to make aboslute/hyperlink references in the FM files. But if it's your company's system to setup and install, it should be trivial just to make a docs folder on it somewhere and plop all your PDFs in that (and a shortcut to the 'master' document, perhaps, on the All Users Desktop). Done deal. David Original Message Subject: Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markersFrom: Robert Lauriston rob...@lauriston.comDate: Mon, March 23, 2015 12:05 pmTo: John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com, "framers@lists.frameusers.com" framers@lists.frameusers.comI've defined cross-references between FrameMaker files that workedacross generated PDFs, provided the PDFs were in the same positionsrelative to each other in the directory structure (e.g. all in thesame directory) as the FrameMaker books were.It used to be that all the files in all the books had to be open whengenerating the PDFs for that to work, but it has been a few yearssince I did that.On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:58 AM, John Sgammatojohn.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: I generate a library of PDFs that are delivered to the customer inside a server that we sell and install for them. Some of our customers are in secure facilities with no outside internet access, so I can't just point them to our knowledge base. I need a way to link from one PDF to another, when they are all served from that customer server.___You are currently subscribed to framers as da...@davidartman.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/david%40davidartman.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.___You are currently subscribed to framers as john.sgamm...@actifio.com.Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com.To unsubscribe send a blank email toframers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.comor visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/john.sgammato%40actifio.comSend administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visithttp://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. -- John Sgammato, Documentation
Re: post-processing a PDF with FM markers
I've defined cross-references between FrameMaker files that worked across generated PDFs, provided the PDFs were in the same positions relative to each other in the directory structure (e.g. all in the same directory) as the FrameMaker books were. It used to be that all the files in all the books had to be open when generating the PDFs for that to work, but it has been a few years since I did that. On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:58 AM, John Sgammato john.sgamm...@actifio.com wrote: I generate a library of PDFs that are delivered to the customer inside a server that we sell and install for them. Some of our customers are in secure facilities with no outside internet access, so I can't just point them to our knowledge base. I need a way to link from one PDF to another, when they are all served from that customer server. ___ You are currently subscribed to framers as arch...@mail-archive.com. Send list messages to framers@lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscr...@lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to listad...@frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
