Re: table anchors - best practices?
Karen Mardahl wrote: I am starting to pick up on this negative number trick. For my table anchor, I had settled on a font at 7pt (I like seeing that tag!), and the para catalog defaulted to line space 8 pt. No space above or below. My tables are set to 0 pt above. The white space between a text block and a table is then just from the table anchor (plus a bit from the regular body tag, I think.) I had thought it looked a wee bit too tiny, so I will experiment some more, based on the numbers discussed here. I am doing pioneer work here, so the nice people who kindly responded here have now provided me with some sales arguments for adding a table anchor to our catalogs. Thank you very much!! The main advantage of the negative number trick is that if a table happens to flow to the top of a page, there will be no white space above it. Without the trick, you'll get white space between your top margin and your table -- not a good thing. s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness. John Kenneth Galbraith, 1908-2006 The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States. Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5 ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table anchors - best practices?
Thanks to everyone - there has been a lot of useful information in this thread. On 6/28/06, Stuart Rogers wrote: > Rick Quatro wrote: > > > > Set the Space Above setting for the table to -2 and set the Space Below > > setting for the Anchor paragraph to -2. > > > > I use an anchor pgf the same size as my body text (10 pt type, 12 pt > line spacing) with Space Below of -12 for the pgf and Space Above on the > table of -12. This has the advantage of making the anchor's pilcrow > easier to see/select than a 2-pt sized pilcrow. > > (The Space Above/Below settings have to have an absolute value the same > as, or larger than, your anchor's line spacing.) I am starting to pick up on this negative number trick. For my table anchor, I had settled on a font at 7pt (I like seeing that tag!), and the para catalog defaulted to line space 8 pt. No space above or below. My tables are set to 0 pt above. The white space between a text block and a table is then just from the table anchor (plus a bit from the regular body tag, I think.) I had thought it looked a wee bit too tiny, so I will experiment some more, based on the numbers discussed here. I am doing pioneer work here, so the nice people who kindly responded here have now provided me with some sales arguments for adding a table anchor to our catalogs. Thank you very much!! regards, Karen Mardahl
table anchors - best practices?
Karen Mardahl wrote: > I am starting to pick up on this negative number trick. For my table > anchor, I had settled on a font at 7pt (I like seeing that tag!), and > the para catalog defaulted to line space 8 pt. No space above or > below. My tables are set to 0 pt above. The white space between a text > block and a table is then just from the table anchor (plus a bit from > the regular body tag, I think.) I had thought it looked a wee bit too > tiny, so I will experiment some more, based on the numbers discussed > here. I am doing pioneer work here, so the nice people who kindly > responded here have now provided me with some sales arguments for > adding a table anchor to our catalogs. Thank you very much!! The main advantage of the "negative number trick" is that if a table happens to flow to the top of a page, there will be no white space above it. Without the trick, you'll get white space between your top margin and your table -- not a good thing. s. -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith, 1908-2006 "The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States." Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5
RE: table anchors - best practices?
I use a skinny little paragraph style called figure, 2pts, no space above or below, centered. I always put my table and figure anchors in a figure paragraph. I like the control I get, especially since I like to keep para text together and not have a whole paragraph pulled to another page just so the table fits. It is sometimes a pain in the neck selecting the invisible skinny little figure para, but when you gets used to it, it becomes easier. I thought for awhile of putting useful note text in the para in white, but then never had a need for it. I work alone. YMMV. john From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of Karen Mardahl Sent: Wed 6/28/2006 8:03 AM To: framers@frameusers.com Subject: table anchors - best practices? Richard Combs had a comment in the thread Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure: NOTE: There's a good case to be made for anchoring tables in their own empty pgf, not at the end of the preceding text pgf, but I don't want to complicate this any further. :-) This made me curious! I searched the archives, and I found 2 relevant threads, which provided more food for thought: small paragraphs for adding tables from Sept. 1, 2005 RE: start a table at top of column? from Sept 18, 2005 My take on this - and I am looking for support, comments, or modifications - is that you should have a unique table anchor paragraph tag for anchoring all tables. I believe this gives you best overall control. Two reasons so far: 1. A unique tag always gives good control over material. 2. Wise formatting of this tag gives consistent spacing. And because the formatting is built into a tag, you do not have to resort to any manual formatting, which you might need to do, if you just attach/anchor the table to the preceding block of text or whatever. Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are many situations where you have table after table with no text inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. Thanks! regards, Karen Mardahl PS Just FYI: Unstructured Frame 7.1p116 WinXP ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
RE: table anchors - best practices?
I always anchor tables and figures in their own paragraph with a style called Anchorline. Anchor line is set to 2pt text. Peter Original Message Richard Combs had a comment in the thread Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure: NOTE: There's a good case to be made for anchoring tables in their own empty pgf, not at the end of the preceding text pgf, but I don't want to complicate this any further. :-) This made me curious! I searched the archives, and I found 2 relevant threads, which provided more food for thought: small paragraphs for adding tables from Sept. 1, 2005 RE: start a table at top of column? from Sept 18, 2005 My take on this - and I am looking for support, comments, or modifications - is that you should have a unique table anchor paragraph tag for anchoring all tables. I believe this gives you best overall control. Two reasons so far: 1. A unique tag always gives good control over material. 2. Wise formatting of this tag gives consistent spacing. And because the formatting is built into a tag, you do not have to resort to any manual formatting, which you might need to do, if you just attach/anchor the table to the preceding block of text or whatever. Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are many situations where you have table after table with no text inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. Thanks! regards, Karen Mardahl PS Just FYI: Unstructured Frame 7.1p116 WinXP ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/peter%40galley.ie Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table anchors - best practices?
The only time I have issues is when the table starts at the top of a page. Doesn't line up evenly because of the Anchor paragraph, but I can live with it...unless other people have other suggestions. Set the Space Above setting for the table to -2 and set the Space Below setting for the Anchor paragraph to -2. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
AW: table anchors - best practices?
Hi, Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are many situations where you have table after table with no text inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. I have also a document with several 100 tables one after the other. Previously they were anchored in a single paragraph (anchor). But it was impossible to change the order manually or insert anything. Therefore I changed that so that each table is now anchored in its own paragraph (with the help of FrameScript). The paragraph has a regular size (font 10 pt, line spacing 12 pt). Space below is -12 pt. The table anchored in this paragraph has set space above to -12 pt. Thus I don´t have to fiddle around to select an anchor paragraph. Best regards Winfried ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: AW: table anchors - best practices?
At 3:35 PM +0200 6/28/06, Reng, Winfried wrote: Hi, Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are many situations where you have table after table with no text inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. I have also a document with several 100 tables one after the other. Previously they were anchored in a single paragraph (anchor). But it was impossible to change the order manually or insert anything. Therefore I changed that so that each table is now anchored in its own paragraph (with the help of FrameScript). If you're hanging many table anchors in a single paragraph tag then I've always found it useful to put an em space between the anchors. Then you can select table anchors individually with ease, if necessary. - web ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table anchors - best practices?
At 14:03 +0200 28/6/06, Karen Mardahl wrote: I want to propose that we do have a unique tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. lots of good ideas... And for structured documents? Are any refinements necessary or desirable? -- Steve ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
Re: table anchors - best practices?
Thanks to everyone - there has been a lot of useful information in this thread. On 6/28/06, Stuart Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Rick Quatro wrote: Set the Space Above setting for the table to -2 and set the Space Below setting for the Anchor paragraph to -2. I use an anchor pgf the same size as my body text (10 pt type, 12 pt line spacing) with Space Below of -12 for the pgf and Space Above on the table of -12. This has the advantage of making the anchor's pilcrow easier to see/select than a 2-pt sized pilcrow. (The Space Above/Below settings have to have an absolute value the same as, or larger than, your anchor's line spacing.) I am starting to pick up on this negative number trick. For my table anchor, I had settled on a font at 7pt (I like seeing that tag!), and the para catalog defaulted to line space 8 pt. No space above or below. My tables are set to 0 pt above. The white space between a text block and a table is then just from the table anchor (plus a bit from the regular body tag, I think.) I had thought it looked a wee bit too tiny, so I will experiment some more, based on the numbers discussed here. I am doing pioneer work here, so the nice people who kindly responded here have now provided me with some sales arguments for adding a table anchor to our catalogs. Thank you very much!! regards, Karen Mardahl ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send list messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send a blank email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/archive%40mail-archive.com Send administrative questions to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table anchors - best practices?
I use a skinny little paragraph style called figure, 2pts, no space above or below, centered. I always put my table and figure anchors in a figure paragraph. I like the control I get, especially since I like to keep para text together and not have a whole paragraph pulled to another page just so the table fits. It is sometimes a pain in the neck selecting the invisible skinny little figure para, but when you gets used to it, it becomes easier. I thought for awhile of putting useful note text in the para in white, but then never had a need for it. I work alone. YMMV. john From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata@lists.frameusers.com on behalf of Karen Mardahl Sent: Wed 6/28/2006 8:03 AM To: framers at frameusers.com Subject: table anchors - best practices? Richard Combs had a comment in the thread "Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure": "NOTE: There's a good case to be made for anchoring tables in their own empty pgf, not at the end of the preceding text pgf, but I don't want to complicate this any further. :-)" This made me curious! I searched the archives, and I found 2 relevant threads, which provided more food for thought: "small paragraphs for adding tables" from Sept. 1, 2005 "RE: start a table at top of column?" from Sept 18, 2005 My take on this - and I am looking for support, comments, or modifications - is that you should have a unique table anchor paragraph tag for anchoring all tables. I believe this gives you best overall control. Two reasons so far: 1. A unique tag always gives good control over material. 2. Wise formatting of this tag gives consistent spacing. And because the formatting is built into a tag, you do not have to resort to any manual formatting, which you might need to do, if you just attach/anchor the table to the preceding block of text or whatever. Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are many situations where you have table after table with no text inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. Thanks! regards, Karen Mardahl PS Just FYI: Unstructured Frame 7.1p116 WinXP ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table anchors - best practices?
I always anchor tables and figures in their own paragraph with a style called Anchorline. Anchor line is set to 2pt text. Peter Original Message Richard Combs had a comment in the thread "Question about the hyperlink from the LOF to the figure": "NOTE: There's a good case to be made for anchoring tables in their own empty pgf, not at the end of the preceding text pgf, but I don't want to complicate this any further. :-)" This made me curious! I searched the archives, and I found 2 relevant threads, which provided more food for thought: "small paragraphs for adding tables" from Sept. 1, 2005 "RE: start a table at top of column?" from Sept 18, 2005 My take on this - and I am looking for support, comments, or modifications - is that you should have a unique table anchor paragraph tag for anchoring all tables. I believe this gives you best overall control. Two reasons so far: 1. A unique tag always gives good control over material. 2. Wise formatting of this tag gives consistent spacing. And because the formatting is built into a tag, you do not have to resort to any manual formatting, which you might need to do, if you just attach/anchor the table to the preceding block of text or whatever. Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are many situations where you have table after table with no text inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. Thanks! regards, Karen Mardahl PS Just FYI: Unstructured Frame 7.1p116 WinXP ___ You are currently subscribed to Framers as peter at galley.ie. Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. To unsubscribe send a blank email to framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/peter%40galley.ie Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table anchors - best practices?
I also use a 2pt para with white text called "frame". I hang frames in it and put tables in it. Sometimes the text is used as well because one can cross ref to it. - web At 8:12 AM -0400 6/28/06, John Sgammato wrote: >I use a skinny little paragraph style called figure, 2pts, no space above or >below, centered. I always put my table and figure anchors in a figure >paragraph. I like the control I get, especially since I like to keep para text >together and not have a whole paragraph pulled to another page just so the >table fits. >It is sometimes a pain in the neck selecting the invisible skinny little >figure para, but when you gets used to it, it becomes easier. I thought for >awhile of putting useful note text in the para in white, but then never had a >need for it. I work alone. YMMV. >john > > > >From: framers-bounces+jsgammato=imprivata.com at lists.frameusers.com on >behalf of Karen Mardahl >Sent: Wed 6/28/2006 8:03 AM >To: framers at frameusers.com >Subject: table anchors - best practices? > > > >Richard Combs had a comment in the thread "Question about the >hyperlink from the LOF to the figure": >"NOTE: There's a good case to be made for anchoring tables in their >own empty pgf, not at the end of the preceding text pgf, but I don't >want to complicate this any further. :-)" > >This made me curious! I searched the archives, and I found 2 relevant >threads, which provided more food for thought: >"small paragraphs for adding tables" from Sept. 1, 2005 >"RE: start a table at top of column?" from Sept 18, 2005 > >My take on this - and I am looking for support, comments, or >modifications - is that you should have a unique table anchor >paragraph tag for anchoring all tables. I believe this gives you best >overall control. Two reasons so far: > >1. A unique tag always gives good control over material. >2. Wise formatting of this tag gives consistent spacing. And because >the formatting is built into a tag, you do not have to resort to any >manual formatting, which you might need to do, if you just >attach/anchor the table to the preceding block of text or whatever. > >Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am >currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are >many situations where you have table after table with no text >inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique >tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so >now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants >to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. >Thanks! > >regards, Karen Mardahl > >PS Just FYI: Unstructured Frame 7.1p116 WinXP >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as jsgammato at imprivata.com. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit >http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/jsgammato%40imprivata.com > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info. > > >___ > > >You are currently subscribed to Framers as web at nbnet.nb.ca. > >Send list messages to framers at lists.frameusers.com. > >To unsubscribe send a blank email to >framers-unsubscribe at lists.frameusers.com >or visit http://lists.frameusers.com/mailman/options/framers/web%40nbnet.nb.ca > >Send administrative questions to lisa at frameusers.com. Visit >http://www.frameusers.com/ for more resources and info.
table anchors - best practices?
I always use a separate paragraph for tables, anchored frames, and text insets. (I call it anchor.) I use it because: 1. The company I worked for before that I stole template ideas from always used it. 2. I use WebWorks, and if I don't anchor the table to a separate paragraph, the conversion process doesn't work. (I don't know if that's a WebWorks 7/2003 limitation or just a gremlin that follows me around.) The only time I have issues is when the table starts at the top of a page. Doesn't line up evenly because of the Anchor paragraph, but I can live with it...unless other people have other suggestions. HTH, Zoe
table anchors - best practices?
> The only time I have issues is when the table starts at the top of a page. > Doesn't line up evenly because of the Anchor paragraph, but I can live > with > it...unless other people have other suggestions. Set the Space Above setting for the table to -2 and set the Space Below setting for the Anchor paragraph to -2. Rick Quatro Carmen Publishing 585-659-8267 www.frameexpert.com
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Hi, > Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am > currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are > many situations where you have table after table with no text > inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique > tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so > now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants > to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. I have also a document with several 100 tables one after the other. Previously they were anchored in a single paragraph (anchor). But it was impossible to change the order manually or insert anything. Therefore I changed that so that each table is now anchored in its own paragraph (with the help of FrameScript). The paragraph has a regular size (font 10 pt, line spacing 12 pt). Space below is -12 pt. The table anchored in this paragraph has set space above to -12 pt. Thus I don?t have to fiddle around to select an anchor paragraph. Best regards Winfried
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At 3:35 PM +0200 6/28/06, Reng, Winfried wrote: >Hi, > >> Right now, our policy is no separate paragraph tags for tables. I am >> currently working on a monster manual with over 600 tables. There are >> many situations where you have table after table with no text >> inbetween. Based on this, I want to propose that we do have a unique >> tag for anchoring tables. Richard's comment came at a perfect time, so >> now I am asking what the rest of you think - or whether Richard wants >> to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people have to say. > >I have also a document with several 100 tables one after the >other. Previously they were anchored in a single paragraph >(anchor). But it was impossible to change the order manually >or insert anything. Therefore I changed that so that each table >is now anchored in its own paragraph (with the help of >FrameScript). If you're hanging many table anchors in a single paragraph tag then I've always found it useful to put an em space between the anchors. Then you can select table anchors individually with ease, if necessary. - web
table anchors - best practices?
At 14:03 +0200 28/6/06, Karen Mardahl wrote: >I want to propose that we do have a unique tag for anchoring tables. Richard's >comment came at a perfect time, so now I am asking what the rest of you think >- or whether Richard wants to reveal his reasons? I'd like to hear what people >have to say. And for structured documents? Are any refinements necessary or desirable? -- Steve
table anchors - best practices?
Karen Mardahl wrote: > My take on this - and I am looking for support, comments, or > modifications - is that you should have a unique table anchor > paragraph tag for anchoring all tables. I believe this gives > you best overall control. Two reasons so far: > > 1. A unique tag always gives good control over material. > 2. Wise formatting of this tag gives consistent spacing. And > because the formatting is built into a tag, you do not have > to resort to any manual formatting, which you might need to > do, if you just attach/anchor the table to the preceding > block of text or whatever. Well, others have about covered this, but for the record, I agree with both these reasons. I never let tables float, and I never anchor more than one in each anchor pgf. They're always set to Start Anywhere, which means they're always immediately after the anchor pgf. Our table titles are above the tables (so jumps to them in the PDF take you to the top of the table, not the bottom). Thus, the anchor pgf controls the space above the table title and determines absolutely where in the flow the table appears. I use a pgf tag called TableAnchor that's 7 pt red text with 5 pt space above. Why 7 pt red? It's the smallest text size for which the pilcrow (pgf symbol) remains visible at 100% on my monitor, and the red color just makes it easier to spot. I also use red for the other tags that are intended to be used only as empty pgfs -- FigAnchor and PageBreak. I don't mind the extra white space when a table starts at the top of the page, but as others have noted, you can eliminate that completely by using negative space below on the anchor pgf and the same negative space above on the table. Assuming you don't mind having your anchor pgf completely hidden by the table -- I suppose I could get used to that, but I'm not sure I like the idea. :-) Richard -- Richard G. Combs Senior Technical Writer Polycom, Inc. richardDOTcombs AT polycomDOTcom 303-223-5111 -- rgcombs AT gmailDOTcom 303-777-0436 --
table anchors - best practices?
Rick Quatro wrote: > > Set the Space Above setting for the table to -2 and set the Space Below > setting for the Anchor paragraph to -2. > I use an anchor pgf the same size as my body text (10 pt type, 12 pt line spacing) with Space Below of -12 for the pgf and Space Above on the table of -12. This has the advantage of making the anchor's pilcrow easier to see/select than a 2-pt sized pilcrow. (The Space Above/Below settings have to have an absolute value the same as, or larger than, your anchor's line spacing.) -- Stuart Rogers Technical Communicator Phoenix Geophysics Limited Toronto, ON, Canada +1 (416) 491-7340 x 325 srogers phoenix-geophysics com "The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." John Kenneth Galbraith, 1908-2006 "The smartest export Canada ever sent to the United States." Get Firefox! http://tinyurl.com/8q9c5
