Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Nov 1, 2008, at 11:48 PM, David Glick wrote: Nomination doesn't have to be formalized. If you have people in mind, why not contact them directly and encourage them to submit a self-nomination? Then a shy person would know that they are welcome, but would still have to demonstrate some initiative. so david, please feel very welcome and demonstrate that initiative! ;) andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.6 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Nov 2, 2008, at 12:14 AM, Martijn Pieters wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 23:48, David Glick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Nomination doesn't have to be formalized. If you have people in mind, why not contact them directly and encourage them to submit a self- nomination? Then a shy person would know that they are welcome, but would still have to demonstrate some initiative. I am speaking from personal experience here; Geir Bækholt nominated me; I would not have come forward myself, I don't think. Perhaps if encouraged, but that's a toss-up, I think. just for the record: same here. andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.6 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Nov 4, 2008, at 5:16 PM, Steve McMahon wrote: It's off. I've posted to Plone.Org news plus the developers, product-developers, users and doc-team lists. i'm catching up with fwt mail a bit too late, but big thanks again, steve! the final version does sound very smooth indeed... nice work! :) andi -- zeidler it consulting - http://zitc.de/ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] friedelstraße 31 - 12047 berlin - telefon +49 30 25563779 pgp key at http://zitc.de/pgp - http://wwwkeys.de.pgp.net/ plone 3.1.6 released! -- http://plone.org/products/plone/ PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
It's off. I've posted to Plone.Org news plus the developers, product-developers, users and doc-team lists. On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 12:32 PM, Tom Lazar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 02.11.2008, at 12:17, Martijn Pieters wrote: > >> On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 00:31, Steve McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> Got it. How's this? >> >> +1 from me :-) > > me, too. the new version does sound a bit more inviting than the old one, > good feedback, martijn! > > cheers, > > tom > >> >> >> -- >> Martijn Pieters >> >> ___ >> Framework-Team mailing list >> Framework-Team@lists.plone.org >> http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team >> > > -- Steve McMahon Reid-McMahon, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On 02.11.2008, at 12:17, Martijn Pieters wrote: On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 00:31, Steve McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Got it. How's this? +1 from me :-) me, too. the new version does sound a bit more inviting than the old one, good feedback, martijn! cheers, tom -- Martijn Pieters ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Sun, Nov 2, 2008 at 00:31, Steve McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Got it. How's this? +1 from me :-) -- Martijn Pieters ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
Got it. How's this? DRAFT Call for Plone 4.x Framework Team Members Would you like to help choose what goes into Plone 4? The Plone Framework team is now receiving applications and nominations for membership in the Plone 4 Framework Team. The Framework Team will be responsible for evaluating PLone Improvement Proposals (PLIPS) and implementations for Plone 4.x. The team also nominates the release manager to the Plone Foundation Board, which does the hiring. PLIP evaluation consists of considering the benefits and risks associated with a PLIP and casting a reasoned and explained +/- 1 vote on each proposal. Framework Team members also follow PLIP implementation, and make acceptance recommendations to the Release Manager. Qualifications include: * An awareness of community strategic discussions about Plone's development; * Ability to make a long-term committment. Plone 4 will take some time, and the team will stay together to work on the entire 4.x series. * A good understanding of Plone's architecture and UI: enough to weigh risks and benefits; * Time to keep up with discussions on the Framework Team mailing lists; * The ability to occasionally budget a significant amount of time for evaluating PLIPs or implementations in detail as deadlines approach; * The ability to work with SVN well enough to test PLIP integration and implementation for final evaluation; * The personality to get along well in a flexible, give-and-take group process and to accept and support group decisions. New Framework Team members will be chosen by existing Framework Team members and involved FWT alumni. Considerations will include many criteria beyond the simply technical. The new team must be balanced in skills and likely to work well together. Please note something new: the Plone 3.x Framework Team will continue to work on enhancing Plone 3.x during the development of Plone 4 and possibly afterwards. If you're interested or would like to nominate someone, please send an introductory note, explaining you or your nominee's interest and qualifications, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Postings from non-subscribers are rejected, so if you're not a subscriber, send your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a request for forwarding. On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Martijn Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 23:48, David Glick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Nomination doesn't have to be formalized. If you have people in mind, why >> not contact them directly and encourage them to submit a self-nomination? >> Then a shy person would know that they are welcome, but would still have to >> demonstrate some initiative. > > I am speaking from personal experience here; Geir Bækholt nominated > me; I would not have come forward myself, I don't think. Perhaps if > encouraged, but that's a toss-up, I think. > > I am not asking for a formal nomination process, I am asking for some > reworking the text a little to also encouraging informal nominations. > I agree that to require someone to officially second or endorse you is > too much overhead. > > -- > Martijn Pieters > > ___ > Framework-Team mailing list > Framework-Team@lists.plone.org > http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team > > -- Steve McMahon Reid-McMahon, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 23:48, David Glick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nomination doesn't have to be formalized. If you have people in mind, why > not contact them directly and encourage them to submit a self-nomination? > Then a shy person would know that they are welcome, but would still have to > demonstrate some initiative. I am speaking from personal experience here; Geir Bækholt nominated me; I would not have come forward myself, I don't think. Perhaps if encouraged, but that's a toss-up, I think. I am not asking for a formal nomination process, I am asking for some reworking the text a little to also encouraging informal nominations. I agree that to require someone to officially second or endorse you is too much overhead. -- Martijn Pieters ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Nov 1, 2008, at 3:29 PM, Martijn Pieters wrote: On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 22:37, Steve McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Martijn Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I'd like to see people nominated as well; perhaps candidates need to have someone second them? Not sure what standing we'd expect from the nominator. Do you think you'll get a lot of candidates? If not, I'd say keep the process low-overhead and just take self-nominations. Okay; I guess we review the candidates anyway. I am just concerned that suitable candidates may be shy to step up themselves; it can take some guts to step up to the plate and say "I want to help decide what the future of Plone is going to be like". Nominating should be an option too, something like "if you know someone you think is perfect for the job, let us know". Nomination doesn't have to be formalized. If you have people in mind, why not contact them directly and encourage them to submit a self- nomination? Then a shy person would know that they are welcome, but would still have to demonstrate some initiative. David Glick Web Developer ONE/Northwest New tools and strategies for engaging people in protecting the environment http://www.onenw.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] work: (206) 286-1235 x32 mobile: (206) 679-3833 Subscribe to ONEList, our email newsletter! Practical advice for effective online engagement http://www.onenw.org/full_signup ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 22:37, Steve McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Martijn Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'd like to see people nominated as well; perhaps candidates need to >> have someone second them? Not sure what standing we'd expect from the >> nominator. > > Do you think you'll get a lot of candidates? If not, I'd say keep the > process low-overhead and just take self-nominations. Okay; I guess we review the candidates anyway. I am just concerned that suitable candidates may be shy to step up themselves; it can take some guts to step up to the plate and say "I want to help decide what the future of Plone is going to be like". Nominating should be an option too, something like "if you know someone you think is perfect for the job, let us know". -- Martijn Pieters ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
Do you think you'll get a lot of candidates? If not, I'd say keep the process low-overhead and just take self-nominations. Steve On Fri, Oct 31, 2008 at 4:09 PM, Martijn Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 17:10, Steve McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Would you like to help choose what goes into Plone 4? >> >> The Plone Framework team is now receiving applications for membership in the >> Plone 4 Framework Team. > ... > >> If you're interested, please send an introductory note, explaining your >> interest and qualifications, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Postings >> from non-subscribers are rejected, so if you're not a subscriber, send your >> message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a request for forwarding. > > I'd like to see people nominated as well; perhaps candidates need to > have someone second them? Not sure what standing we'd expect from the > nominator. > > -- > Martijn Pieters > -- Steve McMahon Reid-McMahon, LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
On Tue, Oct 28, 2008 at 17:10, Steve McMahon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Would you like to help choose what goes into Plone 4? > > The Plone Framework team is now receiving applications for membership in the > Plone 4 Framework Team. ... > If you're interested, please send an introductory note, explaining your > interest and qualifications, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Postings > from non-subscribers are rejected, so if you're not a subscriber, send your > message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a request for forwarding. I'd like to see people nominated as well; perhaps candidates need to have someone second them? Not sure what standing we'd expect from the nominator. -- Martijn Pieters ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
Re: [Framework-Team] Draft Call for Team Membership Applications
thanks for the draft, steve! i wouldn't change anything, but unless my cold is still clogging up my brain too much, it doesn't seem to state the number of members the team will have, which might be worth mentioning to applicants. so perhaps we could stick that in there somewhere? cheers, tom On Oct 28, 2008, at 5:10 PM, Steve McMahon wrote: DRAFT Call for Plone 4.x Framework Team Members Would you like to help choose what goes into Plone 4? The Plone Framework team is now receiving applications for membership in the Plone 4 Framework Team. The Framework Team will be responsible for evaluating the PLone Improvement Proposals (PLIPS) for Plone 4.x. The team also nominates the release manager to the Plone Foundation Board, which does the hiring. PLIP evaluation consists of considering the benefits and risks associated with a PLIP and casting a reasoned and explained +/- 1 vote on each proposal. Framework Team members also follow PLIP implementation, and make recommendations to the Release Manager. Qualifications include: • An awareness of community strategic discussions about Plone's development; • Ability to make a long-term committment. Plone 4 will take some time, and the team will stay together to work on the entire 4.x series. • A good understanding of Plone's architecture and UI: enough to weigh risks and benefits; • Time to keep up with discussions on the Framework Team mailing lists; • The ability to occasionally budget a significant amount of time for evaluating PLIPs in detail as feature-lock deadlines approach; • The ability to work with SVN well enough to test PLIP integration and implementation for final evaluation; • The personality to get along well in a flexible, give-and-take group process and to accept and support group decisions. New Framework Team members will be chosen by existing Framework Team members and involved FWT alumni. Considerations will include many criteria beyond the simply technical. The new team must be balanced in skills and likely to work well together. Please note something new: the Plone 3.x Framework Team will continue to work on enhancing Plone 3.x during the development of Plone 4 and possibly afterwards. If you're interested, please send an introductory note, explaining your interest and qualifications, to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Postings from non-subscribers are rejected, so if you're not a subscriber, send your message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a request for forwarding. ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team ___ Framework-Team mailing list Framework-Team@lists.plone.org http://lists.plone.org/mailman/listinfo/framework-team
