Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Framework Team Page Needs Updating

[Andreas Zeidler]

On Aug 21, 2008, at 12:40 AM, Steve McMahon wrote:
SteveM chiming in to say that I still hope that we can get together  
a face-to-face framework team meeting in DC. I'll be happy to act as  
scribe and record the discussion.


+1


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Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Framework Team Page Needs Updating

[Steve McMahon]

SteveM chiming in to say that I still hope that we can get together a
face-to-face framework team meeting in DC. I'll be happy to act as scribe
and record the discussion.

On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 3:12 PM, Andreas Zeidler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Aug 19, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:
>
>> Alexander Limi wrote:
>>
>>> Are there only 5 members? I thought there were more. If not, ignore me.
>>> :)
>>>
>>
> *ignore* :)
>
>  They have been lots of members who served on former teams, though.
>>
>
> imho there should be pages telling about the previous teams.
>
>  I think the general consensus is to keep the 3.0 team for Plone 3.3 (for
>>>
>>
> to be nit-picky:  the 3.0 team is different from the 3.1 team, except for
> raphael. :)
>
>  continuity), and elect a new FWT for 4.0 — and some overlap would be
>>> good, to make sure the lessons learned from the 3.x releases will be
>>> carried over.
>>>
>>
>> I think the consensus has indeed been to keep the same team for the 3.x
>> releases, unless someone wants to step down for any reason.
>>
>
> hmm, i guess i must have somehow missed the discussion that lead to that
> consensus (this is not meant to sound cynical or anything, btw).  there was
> some talk right after 3.1, and of course there were plans to write things
> down in order to improve the process for the future.  i might very well have
> missed parts of any more recent discussion, but as a member of the
> (currently still active) 3.1 team, i'm wondering why i don't really seem to
> know about this consensus.  or was it just an "effective" one, i.e. one that
> sort of came up because the discussion was never really finished?
>
> please don't get me wrong, but i'm not aware of any conclusions or
> decisions the current team — or the community for that matter — has made
>  about staying the same or not, making changes to the process, having
> external reviewers and/or some sort of a project lead who is responsible for
> communication and timely reviews and probably many more ideas that were
> brought up...  i'd like to have some, or let's rather say most of these
> questions discussed and settled before the 3.3 framework team starts
> working.
>
>  For 4.0 we do indeed need a new team. I for one would be happy to serve
>> on that team again :)
>>
>
> +1
>
> cheers,
>
>
> andi
>
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Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Framework Team Page Needs Updating

[Andreas Zeidler]

On Aug 19, 2008, at 7:06 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote:

Alexander Limi wrote:
Are there only 5 members? I thought there were more. If not, ignore  
me. :)


*ignore* :)


They have been lots of members who served on former teams, though.


imho there should be pages telling about the previous teams.

I think the general consensus is to keep the 3.0 team for Plone 3.3  
(for


to be nit-picky:  the 3.0 team is different from the 3.1 team, except  
for raphael. :)



continuity), and elect a new FWT for 4.0 — and some overlap would be
good, to make sure the lessons learned from the 3.x releases will be
carried over.


I think the consensus has indeed been to keep the same team for the  
3.x

releases, unless someone wants to step down for any reason.


hmm, i guess i must have somehow missed the discussion that lead to  
that consensus (this is not meant to sound cynical or anything, btw).   
there was some talk right after 3.1, and of course there were plans to  
write things down in order to improve the process for the future.  i  
might very well have missed parts of any more recent discussion, but  
as a member of the (currently still active) 3.1 team, i'm wondering  
why i don't really seem to know about this consensus.  or was it just  
an "effective" one, i.e. one that sort of came up because the  
discussion was never really finished?


please don't get me wrong, but i'm not aware of any conclusions or  
decisions the current team — or the community for that matter — has  
made  about staying the same or not, making changes to the process,  
having external reviewers and/or some sort of a project lead who is  
responsible for communication and timely reviews and probably many  
more ideas that were brought up...  i'd like to have some, or let's  
rather say most of these questions discussed and settled before the  
3.3 framework team starts working.


For 4.0 we do indeed need a new team. I for one would be happy to  
serve

on that team again :)


+1

cheers,


andi

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Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Framework Team Page Needs Updating

[Jon Stahl]

Hanno Schlichting wrote:

Alexander Limi wrote:
  

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Raphael Ritz
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> wrote:

To me, this looks just fine.

Are there only 5 members? I thought there were more. If not, ignore me. :)



They are only five members in the current active team. It is only those
five who have done an incredbible job at getting Plone 3.1 reviewed ;)

They have been lots of members who served on former teams, though.

  

PS: maybe it's about time to think about a
new team for Plone 4 (or Plone 3.3 even) though.

I think the general consensus is to keep the 3.0 team for Plone 3.3 (for
continuity), and elect a new FWT for 4.0 — and some overlap would be
good, to make sure the lessons learned from the 3.x releases will be
carried over.



I think the consensus has indeed been to keep the same team for the 3.x
releases, unless someone wants to step down for any reason.

For 4.0 we do indeed need a new team. I for one would be happy to serve
on that team again :)
  


I think we should set a goal of retaining at least 3 people from the 
current team and recruiting 2-4 new (or returning) superstars.  

Just to put a specific goal out there. ;-)Not sure when the new team 
should be in place, though... conference?  Before?



best,
jon

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Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Framework Team Page Needs Updating

[Alexander Limi]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 12:49 AM, Raphael Ritz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:

> To me, this looks just fine.
>

Are there only 5 members? I thought there were more. If not, ignore me. :)


> PS: maybe it's about time to think about a
> new team for Plone 4 (or Plone 3.3 even) though.
>

I think the general consensus is to keep the 3.0 team for Plone 3.3 (for
continuity), and elect a new FWT for 4.0 — and some overlap would be good,
to make sure the lessons learned from the 3.x releases will be carried over.

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Re: [Framework-Team] Re: Framework Team Page Needs Updating

[Raphael Ritz]

Alexander Limi wrote:
On Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:35:35 -0700, Martijn Pieters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:


In your specific case, that'd be for Plone 3.3. Current Plone trunk 
will be version 4.0. I'd keep it on the list and not canvas us 
directly though.


His point still stands — the team list is outdated.


Why do you think so?
To me, this looks just fine.

Raphael

PS: maybe it's about time to think about a
new team for Plone 4 (or Plone 3.3 even) though.

If you send me a list of the missing members, I'm happy to update the 
group.





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