Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

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Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-12 Thread Colinet André
I agree with George. Analog means a direct, analog, value (optical, electro-acoustic, ... ) translation from reality Colinet André From: George, Sherman Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 1:34 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel

[Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Matt Whitman
Hello Frameworks, Just wanted to invite those of you in the NYC area to screening program that I have curated of work by emerging artists and filmmakers who work with specifically with analog motion picture film as a part of their practice. The event takes place this Thursday, November 13th

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Pip Chodorov
Dear Matt, Just wanted you to know that film is not analog. Analog describes a signal, such as an audio or video signal; it is the opposite of a digital signal. Film is a discrete frame by frame medium, not a signal, so it is neither analog nor digital. It is just film. Thanks, Pip Chodorov

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Matt Whitman
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photography http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photography shall we have this discussion? On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: Dear Matt, Just wanted you to know that film is not analog. Analog describes a signal,

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Pip Chodorov
The term was used widely throughout the 20th century to describe continuous recording processes on physical or magnetic medium (audio tape, video tape, vinyl disk) and especially in relation to digital processes when they became popular (remastered recordings, CDs, laserdiscs and DVDs) when

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Matt Whitman
Right. But couldn’t this be a very specific reading of the term ‘analog’? In reference only to signal? I think our language around media has evolved enough at this point where we don’t have to necessarily exclude other forms from this analog vs. digital binary which has been set up. Looking

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread George, Sherman
Analog has other meanings unrelated to a signal. On Nov 11, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Matt Whitman i...@mawhitman.commailto:i...@mawhitman.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analog_photography shall we have this discussion? On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Pip Chodorov

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Jeff Kreines
On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:34 PM, George, Sherman sgeo...@ucsd.edu wrote: Analog has other meanings unrelated to a signal. Which are analogous to what, Sherman? ;-) Jeff Kreines Kinetta j...@kinetta.com kinetta.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Pip Chodorov
Yes, most people who use the term have adopted it in exactly this way. And this view of language is widely accepted as well, as never fixed in time. However there is also the traditionalist view of language and respecting etymology, and it can be instructive to educate the critical mass,

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Jeff Kreines
On Nov 11, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Pip Chodorov framewo...@re-voir.com wrote: This also evades a stickier neologism as film as come to mean any moving picture production on any medium. Any film student working digitally claims to make film. I believe they are making digital but I am very alone

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Matt Whitman
If you feel that you are alone in this strict use, Pip, you should come to the event if you are able to do so. Particularly for the panel/QA afterwards. It would indeed be instructive for other members of the public who are not privy to this list to be aware of the distinction that you make and

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Jeff Kreines
On Nov 11, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Matt Whitman i...@mawhitman.com wrote: Provided that all of the artists showing work and participating in the discussion consent, an audio recording of this will likely be posted online. Will let you know. An analog recording, on real tape, I hope... Jeff

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Matt Whitman
I think I do have a few cassette mailers somewhere in my apartment…. Matt Whitman www.mawhitman.com i...@mawhitman.com On Nov 11, 2014, at 8:17 PM, Jeff Kreines j...@kinetta.com wrote: On Nov 11, 2014, at 7:13 PM, Matt Whitman i...@mawhitman.com mailto:i...@mawhitman.com wrote:

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Pip Chodorov
Thank you for the invitation but I am currently teaching three film courses at Dongguk University in Seoul! Please do raise the point that films being made on film today are as much about their material as about their content (true obviously for many avant-garde filmmakers such as Brakhage,

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Dave Tetzlaff
Cherry-picking a definition from Google will not do for prescriptive lexicopraphy: of, relating to, or being a mechanism in which data is represented by continuously variable physical quantities http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/analog A photochemical film frame is an analog

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Pip Chodorov
Actually silver halide crystals can either turn into metallic silver or they don't. They can only be black or white. In that sense, they are digital! At 18:10 -0800 11/11/14, Dave Tetzlaff wrote: A photochemical film frame is an analog reproduction. The density of silver halide particles is

Re: [Frameworks] 16mm/Super8 Screening Panel Discussion @ NYPL Jefferson Market Library

2014-11-11 Thread Lady Snowblood
Matt, this is a fantastic document . . . This is thought to simultaneously relax the brain and increase active engagement as the mind “fills the gaps” between each shutter interruption. In this way, the brain constructs perception of movement from distinct still frames. Its interesting to me