Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-07 Thread Chuck Kleinhans
This reminds me of SOP in the filmmaking department of the School of the Art Institute of Chicago c. 1980. The department's own screening room was closed at the start of a screening event, and you couldn't enter or leave until an official break. Late arrivals had to wait outside. No so much

Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-06 Thread Chuck Kleinhans
Two oblique tangents to this interesting discussion: Conceptual art in the 1960s was an attempt to interrupt the museum/gallery artworld's expectation of a physical object or performance event. What the conceptual artists discovered after a while was that their reputation (suitably

Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-05 Thread Myron Ort
Right, I see that point. btw, One only has to read Stan's chapter on Bruce to get an idea of the price he paid for that art world notoriety and the consequences on his health! In any case, the L.A. museum for that retrospective had special darkened rooms built in the gallery where you

Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-05 Thread Steve Polta
in the door, you know? Steve Polta --- On Sun, 3/4/12, marilyn brakhage v...@shaw.ca wrote: From: marilyn brakhage v...@shaw.ca Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Sunday, March 4, 2012, 11:30 PM

Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-05 Thread Adam Hyman
the issue, but I get the sense that to many it's generally just enough to get in the door, you know? Steve Polta --- On Sun, 3/4/12, marilyn brakhage v...@shaw.ca wrote: From: marilyn brakhage v...@shaw.ca Subject: Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world To: Experimental

Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-05 Thread marilyn brakhage
I don't know how many museums have dedicated theatres with well maintained projection equipment. That would be good to try to find out. But for gallery inclusion, it sounds as if this Conner exhibition sets a good standard that at least gives others some reference then, as to how it

Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-05 Thread C Keefer
Myron asked, "how many major museums in the country have such theaters with well maintained projection equipment?"A number still exist. We present programs at museum auditoria, both in 35mm and 16mm (Fischinger and Belson, among other programs). Just in the last 2 months, at SF MoMA and at The

Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-04 Thread Chuck Kleinhans
I thought Marilyn Brakhage's response to the Erika Balsom essay was outstanding, and I hope it will be reprinted in Moving Image Arts Journal so it circulates more directly where historians and scholars might find it in the future. Greybeards like me on the Frameworks listserv can easily add

Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-04 Thread marilyn brakhage
Thanks for the feedback. It would be interesting to hear more on the subject from people around at the time -- as well as the latest experiences other people are having. Marilyn On 4-Mar-12, at 2:45 PM, Chuck Kleinhans wrote: I thought Marilyn Brakhage's response to the Erika Balsom essay

Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-04 Thread Myron Ort
all I know is how impressed I was with the Bruce Conner retrospective in Los Angeles at MOCA a many few years ago. All of his modes of working were well presented. Bruce Conner! Myron Ort On Mar 4, 2012, at 6:19 PM, marilyn brakhage wrote: Thanks for the feedback. It would be

Re: [Frameworks] experimental film in the art world

2012-03-04 Thread marilyn brakhage
I didn't see that exhibition, unfortunately. But Bruce Conner also had a gallery/art world history and connections for his work in other media, aside from film. It's the people who are only filmmakers who sometimes have more of a struggle with getting their work shown as it should be.