Re: [Frameworks] The Hand-Processing Chemistry Scheme.
Also was wondering what the avail abilities of the bolex were in the coming weeks? Thanks again matilda Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2014, at 05:35, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Generally I've always found 400ft of 16mm per 2 litres of developer is a good ballpark number that hasn't let me down. On Monday, July 21, 2014 8:20:59 PM, ben russell b...@dimeshow.com wrote: Frameworkers, Hello hello from New Hampshire! I'm putting together a short-term darkroom set-up and wanted to make use of your hive mind to double-check my somewhat creaky hand-processing techniques, with particular regard to B/W reversal and negative chemistry. I'm planning (along with a few other humans) to process around 3,000' (1,500' of which would be reversal) of Hi-Con and Orwo UN54 and need some chemistry recommendations. Could you recommend a mix of materials for this quantity? I'm talking D-19, Rapid Fixer, Hypo, Wetting Agent, Bleach... It seems like the main options are Photographer's Formulary, which is fine by me, but I'm unclear as to how much chemistry I need for what will effectively be 30 rolls. Any thoughts? Thanks! BR ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] The Hand-Processing Chemistry Scheme.
Please don’t put chemistry inside a Bolex – even the clockwind ones aren’t that robust. Peter (Perth) From: Matilda Thomas matilda.lily.tho...@gmail.commailto:matilda.lily.tho...@gmail.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 23 July 2014 10:00 pm To: John Woods jawood...@yahoo.camailto:jawood...@yahoo.ca, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] The Hand-Processing Chemistry Scheme. Also was wondering what the avail abilities of the bolex were in the coming weeks? Thanks again matilda Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2014, at 05:35, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.camailto:jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Generally I've always found 400ft of 16mm per 2 litres of developer is a good ballpark number that hasn't let me down. On Monday, July 21, 2014 8:20:59 PM, ben russell b...@dimeshow.commailto:b...@dimeshow.com wrote: Frameworkers, Hello hello from New Hampshire! I'm putting together a short-term darkroom set-up and wanted to make use of your hive mind to double-check my somewhat creaky hand-processing techniques, with particular regard to B/W reversal and negative chemistry. I'm planning (along with a few other humans) to process around 3,000' (1,500' of which would be reversal) of Hi-Con and Orwo UN54 and need some chemistry recommendations. Could you recommend a mix of materials for this quantity? I'm talking D-19, Rapid Fixer, Hypo, Wetting Agent, Bleach... It seems like the main options are Photographer's Formulary, which is fine by me, but I'm unclear as to how much chemistry I need for what will effectively be 30 rolls. Any thoughts? Thanks! BR ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] The Hand-Processing Chemistry Scheme.
I'll be shooting some Orwo 35mm UN54 as reversal and am currently looking for the Kodak/Ilford equivalents to the chemistry required in Instruction 4185. I'm hoping I don't have to mix it all from scratch. I assume any strong developer like D-19 would work for the 2nd developer but does anyone know from experience what the best 1st and 2nd developers are for this? Any other special considerations for UN54 as reversal? Thanks Lindsay On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Peter Mudie peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au wrote: Please don’t put chemistry inside a Bolex – even the clockwind ones aren’t that robust. Peter (Perth) From: Matilda Thomas matilda.lily.tho...@gmail.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 23 July 2014 10:00 pm To: John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] The Hand-Processing Chemistry Scheme. Also was wondering what the avail abilities of the bolex were in the coming weeks? Thanks again matilda Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2014, at 05:35, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Generally I've always found 400ft of 16mm per 2 litres of developer is a good ballpark number that hasn't let me down. On Monday, July 21, 2014 8:20:59 PM, ben russell b...@dimeshow.com wrote: Frameworkers, Hello hello from New Hampshire! I'm putting together a short-term darkroom set-up and wanted to make use of your hive mind to double-check my somewhat creaky hand-processing techniques, with particular regard to B/W reversal and negative chemistry. I'm planning (along with a few other humans) to process around 3,000' (1,500' of which would be reversal) of Hi-Con and Orwo UN54 and need some chemistry recommendations. Could you recommend a mix of materials for this quantity? I'm talking D-19, Rapid Fixer, Hypo, Wetting Agent, Bleach... It seems like the main options are Photographer's Formulary, which is fine by me, but I'm unclear as to how much chemistry I need for what will effectively be 30 rolls. Any thoughts? Thanks! BR ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] The Hand-Processing Chemistry Scheme.
Hey Ben, My two cents: I usually use Recipes for Disaster (p. 53-55) as a basic guide for processing times and procedure. Unless you have access to a G3 processing tank (or equivalent) I find that I can do 60ft at a time in 5gal buckets--if i am careful. Unless you are pushing the film in the first developer, 2 gallons of D19 should get you through 400+ feet of film. So for 3,000ft you'll need around 15gal of D19. Since it sounds like you'll be in a newly setup darkroom and you can use a safe light for the Hi-Con footage, I might suggest starting with that to get a good system down. The bleach for reversal (R9 bleach) is not sold premixed anymore to my knowledge, so you'll have to get some sulfuric acid and potassium dichromate (see Recipes for Disaster or online search recipe and safety…). This stuff will go a long way though; it expires about half as fast as D19 in my experience. I would say about 4-5 gallons for 1500ft of reversal, but its not recommended to keep/store for very long (---it's most dangerous in its evaporated state as airborne potassium dichromate dust = cancer:( so when i'm done with a processing session i dump it. Fix also last longer; I would get 4-5 gallons. Unless you are going to tint the film, make sure it is a hardening fix solution. Photographer's Formulary is good for premixed chemicals, also BnH has D19. For ordering individual chemicals on the east coast, Artcraft Chemicals has good prices, and product, but a weird website; they are in Albany and Mike Jacobson is the person there that can answer any questions you have. I buy all raw chems there to mix D19/D67, bleach, etc. Hoping you are well and that this may have been helpful, Colin -- Colin Brant Video and Animation Technician Bennington College On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:58 AM, lindsay mcintyre email.li...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be shooting some Orwo 35mm UN54 as reversal and am currently looking for the Kodak/Ilford equivalents to the chemistry required in Instruction 4185. I'm hoping I don't have to mix it all from scratch. I assume any strong developer like D-19 would work for the 2nd developer but does anyone know from experience what the best 1st and 2nd developers are for this? Any other special considerations for UN54 as reversal? Thanks Lindsay On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 8:05 AM, Peter Mudie peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au wrote: Please don’t put chemistry inside a Bolex – even the clockwind ones aren’t that robust. Peter (Perth) From: Matilda Thomas matilda.lily.tho...@gmail.com Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Wednesday, 23 July 2014 10:00 pm To: John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca, Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] The Hand-Processing Chemistry Scheme. Also was wondering what the avail abilities of the bolex were in the coming weeks? Thanks again matilda Sent from my iPhone On 23 Jul 2014, at 05:35, John Woods jawood...@yahoo.ca wrote: Generally I've always found 400ft of 16mm per 2 litres of developer is a good ballpark number that hasn't let me down. On Monday, July 21, 2014 8:20:59 PM, ben russell b...@dimeshow.com wrote: Frameworkers, Hello hello from New Hampshire! I'm putting together a short-term darkroom set-up and wanted to make use of your hive mind to double-check my somewhat creaky hand-processing techniques, with particular regard to B/W reversal and negative chemistry. I'm planning (along with a few other humans) to process around 3,000' (1,500' of which would be reversal) of Hi-Con and Orwo UN54 and need some chemistry recommendations. Could you recommend a mix of materials for this quantity? I'm talking D-19, Rapid Fixer, Hypo, Wetting Agent, Bleach... It seems like the main options are Photographer's Formulary, which is fine by me, but I'm unclear as to how much chemistry I need for what will effectively be 30 rolls. Any thoughts? Thanks! BR ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] The Hand-Processing Chemistry Scheme.
Lindsay, I've not worked with Orwo (but have two rolls sitting before me) and I would just use D-19 for the first developer if thats what you have available, if you want to do a custom mix then D-94A is what Kodak officially recommends for BW reversal 1st developer. But maybe there are some Europeans on the list who have more direct experience with Orwo and their mysterious Instruction 4185! On Wednesday, July 23, 2014 8:59:38 AM, lindsay mcintyre email.li...@gmail.com wrote: I'll be shooting some Orwo 35mm UN54 as reversal and am currently looking for the Kodak/Ilford equivalents to the chemistry required in Instruction 4185. I'm hoping I don't have to mix it all from scratch. I assume any strong developer like D-19 would work for the 2nd developer but does anyone know from experience what the best 1st and 2nd developers are for this? Any other special considerations for UN54 as reversal? Thanks Lindsay___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] The Hand-Processing Chemistry Scheme.
Generally I've always found 400ft of 16mm per 2 litres of developer is a good ballpark number that hasn't let me down. On Monday, July 21, 2014 8:20:59 PM, ben russell b...@dimeshow.com wrote: Frameworkers, Hello hello from New Hampshire! I'm putting together a short-term darkroom set-up and wanted to make use of your hive mind to double-check my somewhat creaky hand-processing techniques, with particular regard to B/W reversal and negative chemistry. I'm planning (along with a few other humans) to process around 3,000' (1,500' of which would be reversal) of Hi-Con and Orwo UN54 and need some chemistry recommendations. Could you recommend a mix of materials for this quantity? I'm talking D-19, Rapid Fixer, Hypo, Wetting Agent, Bleach... It seems like the main options are Photographer's Formulary, which is fine by me, but I'm unclear as to how much chemistry I need for what will effectively be 30 rolls. Any thoughts? Thanks! BR ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
