Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries-diaries-essays or video/film installations that play with truth or cinema theory

[Dana Duff]

On the smaller scale, I love the approach of young Chinese director by 
Liu Jiayin in her "Oxhide II." She made a film about her family life 
with her mother, father, and herself by highly structured means: in the 
camera, the shots, and the characters. They wrote their parts and 
rehearsed being themselves for months. Liu Jianyan said in a Q & A that 
the results were much more the "truth" of her family life than any 
verité shooting she'd tried.

https://vimeo.com/22679791

Dana Berman Duff
www.danaduff.com

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Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries-diaries-essays or video/film installations that play with truth or cinema theory

[Hardin, Ted]

‘Public Hearing’ by James Kienitz Wilkins re-performs a court transcript with 
actors only in close-ups, shot in black and white. It may trouble the waters 
nicely.

Ted Hardin

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On Jun 8, 2019, at 9:07 AM, Jonathan Kiefer 
mailto:jonathan.kie...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I'm sure a rummage through the archives of the True/False Film Festival will 
turn up some recent work of interest on this front: 
truefalse.org.
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Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries-diaries-essays or video/film installations that play with truth or cinema theory

[Jonathan Kiefer]

I'm sure a rummage through the archives of the True/False Film Festival
will turn up some recent work of interest on this front: truefalse.org.
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Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries-diaries-essays or video/film installations that play with truth or cinema theory

[Bernard Roddy]

Hi Dave:

I was thinking about the way in which I tend to experience a personal work,
which could be closer to identifying with the maker or with someone who
wants to make such a work. And the sense of truth that would bear on such
work might better be compared to the significance of an explosion, the
blossoming of a field, or the rainbow at dawn: truth as a manifestation,
rather than as a mirror that gets it right, an image that is indiscernible
from the reality. I have long felt a scholar's hand in the insistence on
truth conceived as representation, and perhaps of equal significance to
this question would be the history of the lie. We are thus moving away from
a conception of language and the sign that is founded on representation, a
conception that has long been identified with the image of God as something
with a design for man and man as either living up to it or failing to do
so, truth as a plan that is fulfilled or subverted. That is a truth that
one can consider without cost, without anything at stake, a question for
the professional academic. It's all introductory documentary, however. The
books I am aware of include a couple that take up works the writers prefer
to think about for what is unsaid in them or otherwise unsayable.

Bernie

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 5:35 PM Dave Tetzlaff  wrote:

> Fake docs like 'No Lies' and 'Daughter Rite' don’t really question the
> concept of truth in any profound way. They are also genre specific to
> Cinema Verite. If anything, the problem with Daubghter Rite is that the
> gimmick of the fakery subverts the theme more than it deepens it.
>
> So you can stage sequences with the same shooting and editing codes used
> in verite. So what?
>
> The famous short sequence on the bridge repeated three times in Letter
> from Siberia probably does more to "question the concept of 'truth in
> documentary’" than all the clever fakes and fauxs put together.
>
> Bernie mentioned Nichols’ ‘Intro to Documentary’ as touching on the topic,
> but I think his “Blurred Boundaries” is probably more relevant, though as
> usual the prose is hardly user-friendly.
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Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries-diaries-essays or video/film installations that play with truth or cinema theory

[Dave Tetzlaff]

Fake docs like 'No Lies' and 'Daughter Rite' don’t really question the concept 
of truth in any profound way. They are also genre specific to Cinema Verite. If 
anything, the problem with Daubghter Rite is that the gimmick of the fakery 
subverts the theme more than it deepens it. 

So you can stage sequences with the same shooting and editing codes used in 
verite. So what?

The famous short sequence on the bridge repeated three times in Letter from 
Siberia probably does more to "question the concept of 'truth in documentary’" 
than all the clever fakes and fauxs put together.

Bernie mentioned Nichols’ ‘Intro to Documentary’ as touching on the topic, but 
I think his “Blurred Boundaries” is probably more relevant, though as usual the 
prose is hardly user-friendly.

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Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries-diaries-essays or video/film installations that play with truth or cinema theory

[Bernard Roddy]

I remember considering Nichols' introduction to documentary and getting
only as far as the way he conceived the material. I think he draws
attention to the word "representation."

Once you have framed everything under an analysis of that term, I think
it's going to be hard to drop the camera or leave the cinema. And truth?
Shall we conceive of it as an accurate representation to begin with?

Bernie

On Fri, Jun 7, 2019 at 9:50 AM Samirah Alkassim  wrote:

> There are a plethora of doc films that engage strategies that do this, but
> the writings of Bill Nichols and Stella Bruzzi on performative doc are
> really important for this discussion.
>
> Check out New Documentary (latest edition) by Stella Bruzzi.
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 6:13 PM Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
> wrote:
>
>> Hello all.
>>
>> I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout
>> for films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So
>> far, I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David
>> Hotlzman's Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley.
>> And yes, I've watched F for Fake more than enough ;)
>>
>> I've also been getting into dissecting film and theater down to, for lack
>> of better terms, compound elements. I've been looking into the works of
>> Bazin, Kracauer and Metz and how they have explored the concept of
>> spectatorship and illusion within the realm of photography, film and
>> sometimes theater.
>>
>> So anything that would focus on deconstructing truth or incorperate
>> cinema theory. In addition to diaries and essays, I'd also be open to
>> film/video installations/performances that share the same focus.
>>
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Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries-diaries-essays or video/film installations that play with truth or cinema theory

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O? Zoo! (The Making of a Fiction Film)  by Philip Hoffman

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>>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello all.
>>> 
>>> I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout for 
>>> films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So 
>>> far, I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David 
>>> Hotlzman's Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley. 
>>> And yes, I've watched F for Fake more than enough ;)

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Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries-diaries-essays or video/film installations that play with truth or cinema theory

[Gail Silva]

1981 - Peter Adair - “Some of These Stories Are True”

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 8:29 AM, Adam Hyman  wrote:
> 
> Check out the book F Is for Phony: Fake Documentary and Truth’s Undoing, ed. 
> By Alex Juhasz and Jesse Lerner
> https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/f-is-for-phony
> And then all the films discussed in there…
> We did a screening once in conjunction with it that included No Lies, Land 
> Without Bread, and Marlon Fuentes’ Bontoc Eulogy (1995).
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Adam Hyman
> Los Angeles Filmforum
> 
> 
> On 6/6/19, 11:02 PM, "FrameWorks on behalf of Tim Halloran" 
>  
> wrote:
> 
> ...No Lies, (1973); Mitchell Block.
> 
> Most documentaries “play with truth,” in some manner.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs  wrote:
> Hello all.
> I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout for 
> films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So far, 
> I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David Hotlzman's 
> Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley. And yes, 
> I've watched F for Fake more than enough ;)
> I've also been getting into dissecting film and theater down to, for lack of 
> better terms, compound elements. I've been looking into the works of Bazin, 
> Kracauer and Metz and how they have explored the concept of spectatorship and 
> illusion within the realm of photography, film and sometimes theater.
> So anything that would focus on deconstructing truth or incorperate cinema 
> theory. In addition to diaries and essays, I'd also be open to film/video 
> installations/performances that share the same focus.
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Re: [Frameworks] Documentaries-diaries-essays or video/film installations that play with truth or cinema theory

[Adam Hyman]

Check out the book F Is for Phony: Fake Documentary and Truth¹s Undoing, ed.
By Alex Juhasz and Jesse Lerner
https://www.upress.umn.edu/book-division/books/f-is-for-phony
And then all the films discussed in thereŠ
We did a screening once in conjunction with it that included No Lies, Land
Without Bread, and Marlon Fuentes¹ Bontoc Eulogy (1995).

Best regards,

Adam Hyman
Los Angeles Filmforum


On 6/6/19, 11:02 PM, "FrameWorks on behalf of Tim Halloran"

wrote:

> ...No Lies, (1973); Mitchell Block.
> 
> Most documentaries ³play with truth,² in some manner.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>>  On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
>> wrote:
>>  
>>  Hello all.
>>  
>>  I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout for
>> films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So far,
>> I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David Hotlzman's
>> Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley. And yes,
>> I've watched F for Fake more than enough ;)
>>  
>>  I've also been getting into dissecting film and theater down to, for lack of
>> better terms, compound elements. I've been looking into the works of Bazin,
>> Kracauer and Metz and how they have explored the concept of spectatorship and
>> illusion within the realm of photography, film and sometimes theater.
>>  
>>  So anything that would focus on deconstructing truth or incorperate cinema
>> theory. In addition to diaries and essays, I'd also be open to film/video
>> installations/performances that share the same focus.
>>  
>>  M
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[Santiago Fernandez]

“Agarrando Pueblo” by Ospina & Mayolo. 

"My head is made of the same matter of the sun"

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 1:02 AM, Tim Halloran  wrote:
> 
> ...No Lies, (1973); Mitchell Block.
> 
> Most documentaries “play with truth,” in some manner.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout for 
>> films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So far, 
>> I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David Hotlzman's 
>> Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley. And yes, 
>> I've watched F for Fake more than enough ;)
>> 
>> I've also been getting into dissecting film and theater down to, for lack of 
>> better terms, compound elements. I've been looking into the works of Bazin, 
>> Kracauer and Metz and how they have explored the concept of spectatorship 
>> and illusion within the realm of photography, film and sometimes theater. 
>> 
>> So anything that would focus on deconstructing truth or incorperate cinema 
>> theory. In addition to diaries and essays, I'd also be open to film/video 
>> installations/performances that share the same focus. 
>> 
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[kate lain]

Trinh T. Minh-ha’s *Surname Viet Given Name Nam*
and it's been ages since I saw it, but I recall Michelle Citron's *Daughter
Rite* as fitting with what you're looking at

Kate


On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 3:13 PM Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout
> for films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So
> far, I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David
> Hotlzman's Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley.
> And yes, I've watched F for Fake more than enough ;)
>
> I've also been getting into dissecting film and theater down to, for lack
> of better terms, compound elements. I've been looking into the works of
> Bazin, Kracauer and Metz and how they have explored the concept of
> spectatorship and illusion within the realm of photography, film and
> sometimes theater.
>
> So anything that would focus on deconstructing truth or incorperate cinema
> theory. In addition to diaries and essays, I'd also be open to film/video
> installations/performances that share the same focus.
>
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[Samirah Alkassim]

There are a plethora of doc films that engage strategies that do this, but
the writings of Bill Nichols and Stella Bruzzi on performative doc are
really important for this discussion.

Check out New Documentary (latest edition) by Stella Bruzzi.

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 6:13 PM Morgan Hoyle-Combs 
wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout
> for films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So
> far, I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David
> Hotlzman's Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley.
> And yes, I've watched F for Fake more than enough ;)
>
> I've also been getting into dissecting film and theater down to, for lack
> of better terms, compound elements. I've been looking into the works of
> Bazin, Kracauer and Metz and how they have explored the concept of
> spectatorship and illusion within the realm of photography, film and
> sometimes theater.
>
> So anything that would focus on deconstructing truth or incorperate cinema
> theory. In addition to diaries and essays, I'd also be open to film/video
> installations/performances that share the same focus.
>
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> Am 07.06.2019 um 08:02 schrieb Tim Halloran :
> 
> ...No Lies, (1973); Mitchell Block.
> 
> Most documentaries “play with truth,” in some manner.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all.
>> 
>> I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout for 
>> films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So far, 
>> I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David Hotlzman's 
>> Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley. And yes, 
>> I've watched F for Fake more than enough ;)
>> 
>> I've also been getting into dissecting film and theater down to, for lack of 
>> better terms, compound elements. I've been looking into the works of Bazin, 
>> Kracauer and Metz and how they have explored the concept of spectatorship 
>> and illusion within the realm of photography, film and sometimes theater. 
>> 
>> So anything that would focus on deconstructing truth or incorperate cinema 
>> theory. In addition to diaries and essays, I'd also be open to film/video 
>> installations/performances that share the same focus. 
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[Tim Halloran]

...No Lies, (1973); Mitchell Block.

Most documentaries “play with truth,” in some manner.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 6, 2019, at 3:13 PM, Morgan Hoyle-Combs  wrote:
> 
> Hello all.
> 
> I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout for 
> films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So far, 
> I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David Hotlzman's 
> Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley. And yes, 
> I've watched F for Fake more than enough ;)
> 
> I've also been getting into dissecting film and theater down to, for lack of 
> better terms, compound elements. I've been looking into the works of Bazin, 
> Kracauer and Metz and how they have explored the concept of spectatorship and 
> illusion within the realm of photography, film and sometimes theater. 
> 
> So anything that would focus on deconstructing truth or incorperate cinema 
> theory. In addition to diaries and essays, I'd also be open to film/video 
> installations/performances that share the same focus. 
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[Morgan Hoyle-Combs]

Hello all.

I've asked this quite a few times already, but I'm still on the lookout for 
films that question the concept of truth in documentaries or cinema. So far, 
I've been able to favor "Megacities" by Michael Glawogger, "David Hotlzman's 
Diary" by Jim McBride and "The stories we tell" by Sarah Polley. And yes, I've 
watched F for Fake more than enough ;)

I've also been getting into dissecting film and theater down to, for lack of 
better terms, compound elements. I've been looking into the works of Bazin, 
Kracauer and Metz and how they have explored the concept of spectatorship and 
illusion within the realm of photography, film and sometimes theater. 

So anything that would focus on deconstructing truth or incorperate cinema 
theory. In addition to diaries and essays, I'd also be open to film/video 
installations/performances that share the same focus. 

M
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