Re: [Frameworks] Film Projectors + University Rules
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 9:25 AM, Tom Whiteside tom.whites...@duke.eduwrote: Over the years I have heard many people say they cannot recommend autoloaders, yes I know I know, but I think this is a matter of personal preference. I've been using Bell Howell autoloaders for many years and generally do not have any trouble with them. Many of them have silent and sound speed (important to me), and a variety of lenses are readily available. I agree, it is a matter of preference. I know a number of film collectors in town and elsewhere who use daily their 2592 projectors. If maintained, these machines run very well. My aversion to the auto-loaders, even the manual threading BH 1574/1579 and modified manual-threading 1568, is that it can be difficult to free film from the threading path. Very difficult with BH auto-loaders. I'm one who believes that film should be simple to thread *and* remove from a projector's film path. That's why I've advocated for Eiki SL and SSL, and Hokushin SC-210 and Apollo QL-100 projectors. The Eiki SSL has a built-in line and common 42.5 lens barrel. Kodak Pageants are great in that they're easy on film, have a low-contact silent threading path when there is no sound, and have the sound focus and 18/24 fps operation, but one is stuck with a very poor lens and hardly any options for lenses, and servicing them can be a pain. Slot loaders are not without their quirks, but if regularly service, these machines can run very well, and removing film mid reel is simple. If you are fortunate enough to have a stock of the Marc 300 lamps (beware - they are no longer made) a 1568 or similar model projects a very bright image. Most of the classroom projectors use bulbs that are not as bright, but are easy to find and relatively inexpensive (BHB, EMM/EKS, ELC.) MARC 300 and 350 machines are very usefully, and generally can be found for much less than a xenon and if not running frequently are worth considering for purchase. Xenon has the advantage with $/minute cost, but unless one is running on some kind of daily/weekly theatrical schedule with 16mm, which I don't imagine anyone is, then MARC projectors are worth considering. ANY projector 30+ years old should be overhauled by a competent technician at this point, so go ahead and pay for the new worm gear on a BH autoload and you will have -IMHO - a nice workable projector for many years to come. I'm glad you mention this Tom, as I'm afraid this gets ignored. If donated or found real cheap, a projector should be overhauled before subjecting prints to it. Eikis, Bell Howells, etc where designed to run a million feet of film between service, but they must be serviced and anyone overlooking this is places prints at risk for damage. While (serviced) projectors costing $400-500 might seem expensive, particularly when compared to a projector sitting on eBay for $150, these projectors cost $1500-2000 when new in the 70s-80s. The cost of a fully service projector today is still a bargain. Alain -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 North Williams Avenue Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Film Projectors + University Rules
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:10 PM, 40 Frames i...@40frames.org wrote: I'm one who believes that film should be simple to thread *and* remove from a projector's film path. That's why I've advocated for Eiki SL and SSL, and Hokushin SC-210 and Apollo QL-100 projectors. The Eiki SSL has a built-in line and common 42.5 lens barrel. meat to say... built-in line out. Alain -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 North Williams Avenue Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Film Projectors + University Rules
Over the years I have heard many people say they cannot recommend autoloaders, yes I know I know, but I think this is a matter of personal preference. I've been using Bell Howell autoloaders for many years and generally do not have any trouble with them. Many of them have silent and sound speed (important to me), and a variety of lenses are readily available. If you are fortunate enough to have a stock of the Marc 300 lamps (beware - they are no longer made) a 1568 or similar model projects a very bright image. Most of the classroom projectors use bulbs that are not as bright, but are easy to find and relatively inexpensive (BHB, EMM/EKS, ELC.) ANY projector 30+ years old should be overhauled by a competent technician at this point, so go ahead and pay for the new worm gear on a BH autoload and you will have -IMHO - a nice workable projector for many years to come. - Tom Durham Cinematheque -Original Message- From: frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Scott Dorsey Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 9:49 AM To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Cc: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Film Projectors + University Rules My personal recommendation would be for the very old BH 300-series projectors, because they are manually threaded, they are incredibly light on film (and the only classroom projectors I would EVER recommend running a camera original on), and the models with magnetic sound can be easily modified into double-system interlock projectors. The problem is that they are very old, and I would want one to be thoroughly gone over before I put film in it. But in general, I would suggest just avoiding autoloaders, and avoiding slotloaders. Some places that sell theatrical projection gear will have some classroom projectors around. Cardinal Sound and Motion Picture in Baltimore, ICECO in Miami Jay Gemski in the DC area. If you get desperate I can probably sell you a couple rebuilt Pageants... they aren't anything to write home about but they have been cleaned up nicely. The Pageants don't have a lower sprocket between the lower loop and the sound head, resulting in higher sound flutter than you want, and they don't take standard lenses, but they are not too hard on film and they are easy to work on. I think all of mine have modern electronics with line level out only. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
[Frameworks] Film Projectors + University Rules
Hello Frameworkers, Looking for a little advice from those of you who are familiar with navigating public university equipment purchasing debacles. I'm in the privileged position to be teaching a partially film-based class in the context of a new media art program. We were able to acquire a few old Bell and Howell cameras from the film department at the same university, but projectors are hard to come by since they only finish on video. We might be able to purchase some projectors, but I'm not sure that Ebay (where I've bought several of my own) is on the list of places the art department is willing/able to buy equipment from, plus finding adequate stuff is always a crap shoot. I've done some preliminary digging online, but the usual places I order things from don't include projection. Any recommendations? Feel free to e-mail me off-list: m_alex_mor...@yahoo.com Thanks! Mike MorrisDallas, Texas___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Film Projectors + University Rules
Mike, If you go to the following link and click on the projector make of your choosing, you will find individuals who repair and in some cases sell 16mm projectors. For example, Larry Urbanski has a Bell Howell 1574 listed on his site, and last I spoke with Richard Patchetts he had a Kodak Pageant 250S. Both would sell machines serviced and warranted. If you contact others listed, you will likely find some projectors for sale. I recommend the Eiki SSL, over a Bell Howell, mostly for the easy of threading and removing film from the machine mid reel. http://www.16mmdirectory.org/projectors Alain On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Mike Morris m_alex_mor...@yahoo.comwrote: Hello Frameworkers, Looking for a little advice from those of you who are familiar with navigating public university equipment purchasing debacles. I'm in the privileged position to be teaching a partially film-based class in the context of a new media art program. We were able to acquire a few old Bell and Howell cameras from the film department at the same university, but projectors are hard to come by since they only finish on video. We might be able to purchase some projectors, but I'm not sure that Ebay (where I've bought several of my own) is on the list of places the art department is willing/able to buy equipment from, plus finding adequate stuff is always a crap shoot. I've done some preliminary digging online, but the usual places I order things from don't include projection. Any recommendations? Feel free to e-mail me off-list: m_alex_mor...@yahoo.com Thanks! Mike Morris Dallas, Texas ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 North Williams Avenue Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Film Projectors + University Rules
Another thought... The Texas Theatre has a Pageant 250A (Marc). Maybe arrange to do class screening there? Not to discourage you however from buying projectors for the school and your class. http://www.16mmdirectory.org/search?q=texas+theatre Alain On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:49 PM, 40 Frames i...@40frames.org wrote: Mike, If you go to the following link and click on the projector make of your choosing, you will find individuals who repair and in some cases sell 16mm projectors. For example, Larry Urbanski has a Bell Howell 1574 listed on his site, and last I spoke with Richard Patchetts he had a Kodak Pageant 250S. Both would sell machines serviced and warranted. If you contact others listed, you will likely find some projectors for sale. I recommend the Eiki SSL, over a Bell Howell, mostly for the easy of threading and removing film from the machine mid reel. http://www.16mmdirectory.org/projectors Alain On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Mike Morris m_alex_mor...@yahoo.comwrote: Hello Frameworkers, Looking for a little advice from those of you who are familiar with navigating public university equipment purchasing debacles. I'm in the privileged position to be teaching a partially film-based class in the context of a new media art program. We were able to acquire a few old Bell and Howell cameras from the film department at the same university, but projectors are hard to come by since they only finish on video. We might be able to purchase some projectors, but I'm not sure that Ebay (where I've bought several of my own) is on the list of places the art department is willing/able to buy equipment from, plus finding adequate stuff is always a crap shoot. I've done some preliminary digging online, but the usual places I order things from don't include projection. Any recommendations? Feel free to e-mail me off-list: m_alex_mor...@yahoo.com Thanks! Mike Morris Dallas, Texas ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 North Williams Avenue Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.org -- 40 FRAMES Alain LeTourneau Pam Minty 40 FRAMES 5232 North Williams Avenue Portland, Oregon 97217 USA +1 503 231 6548 www.40frames.org www.16mmdirectory.org www.emptyquarterfilm.org ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
