Re: [Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-21 Thread Jonathan Walley
Thanks to everyone who posted in response to my question about film and digital (I hope the responses continue). Lots to think about, and I will respond in greater detail to some of the posts within a few days. Though I am a digital skeptic and a film luddite, I didn't mean to pose the question

Re: [Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-16 Thread David Tetzlaff
Thanks, James, for the link to that piece on LCD sets in stores. Great stuff. When I say 'digital is not one thing' I am not engaging in any kind of generic 'pro digital' advocacy, because many of the things digital can be are pretty sucky, and it takes effort to find those that are not. In

Re: [Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-15 Thread Fred Camper
While formerly a strong opponent of seeing films on video (an opposition that arose in the days of VHS tapes and CRT displays; see my 1985 article on this at http://www.fredcamper.com/Film/Video.html , which I think still makes relevant points about film), I now agree with Aaron and others that

Re: [Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-15 Thread James Kreul
I've been enjoying the thread. Kudos to Jonathan for knowing how to get a summertime Frameworks thread going. I offer these two links not in response to specific points in the discussion so far, but because the discussion came to mind as I came across these in the past few days. First, via Bad

Re: [Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-14 Thread Pip Chodorov
Hi Jonathan, One technical difference people don't often mention is sensitivity curves. Film has a logarythmic, S-shaped curve, to capture information across 12 f-stops. For example, on film, a sunny scene on a bridge with action in the sun and also in the shadows under the bridge, all will

Re: [Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-14 Thread Bernd Luetzeler
Hi Jonathan, one important aspect is that in film, the smallest unit one can modify is the frame, while in digital video the smallest unit is the pixel. cheers Bernd Am 13.07.2012 um 22:42 schrieb Jonathan Walley: Hello everyone, This question isn't about experimental cinema

[Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-13 Thread Jonathan Walley
Hello everyone, This question isn't about experimental cinema specifically, but it's certainly an important question for our world, and I think experimental filmmakers (and scholars, critics, etc.) are among those best equipped to answer it. So here goes. There is some preamble meant to set the

Re: [Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-13 Thread Bryan McManus
Hi Jonathan, Great question, thanks for teaching cinema! There are, for sure, appreciable differences between the media - and I know that's what you were asking for - but I think it may be valuable to mention to your students the similarities of the media in terms of motivation. Each, in its

Re: [Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-13 Thread Aaron F. Ross
Wow, what a dangerous topic. ;) Digital is not a monolith. The difference between consumer equipment and professional equipment is HUGE. For example, richer black is eminently do-able in the digital domain, you just need an expensive projector, and the files must be encoded properly. Anyway,

Re: [Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-13 Thread David Tetzlaff
Jonathan: Aaron's right. Digital is not one thing. Neither is film. Coincidentally, just this morning I was at the archivist seesion at the Silent Film Festival in SF, and it was all about digital restoration. The guy who restored Dr. Strangelove showed the 4K digital restoration flipping back

Re: [Frameworks] Film and Digital for beginners

2012-07-13 Thread Alistair Stray
From: David Tetzlaff djte...@gmail.com The typical student today doesn't get that some things just shouldn't be watched on an iPhone, or even a 48 flat-panel because they need a much bigger canvas and the viewer's undivided attention. Beat THAT difference into their head, get them to