Re: [Frameworks] Looking to buy Bolex or similar

[hellbox]

Hi Lindsay,

Is the person with the EBM anyone I would know? I have a battery grip and 
battery box for an EBM if they're looking. Or the 7-pin connectors to make a 
power cable/adaptor.

Todd Eacrett 
(Victoria BC)


On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, at 1:35 AM, lindsay mcintyre wrote:
> I've got an extra SBM I could sell. It has a 13x viewfinder and the big 
> bayonet lens on it that they came with. Might be more trouble than it's worth 
> though as I'm in Vancouver. Let me know off-list if you are interested and I 
> will take some photos. I also know a guy out here who has a S16 EBM for sale 
> for a pretty good price. We tested it with power and it works but doesn't 
> come with so hopefully Chambless just had a website glitch because that would 
> be the place to get the bits to power it.
> 
> Lindsay
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:52 PM Jason Halprin  wrote:
>> Yes, I was able to purchase two Rex 5s & lenses from Dieter in Spring 2018. 
>> This was for an academic department, but I believe he's not picky about who 
>> wants a camera ;)
>> 
>> Jason Halprin
>> jihalp...@gmail.com
>> jasonhalprin.com 
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:56 PM Eric Theise  wrote:
>>> Jason Halprin, didn't you tell me a few years ago that Dieter (aka 
>>> http://www.bolexusa.com/) was selling reconditioned Rex 5s? Or was that 
>>> only for the academic market?
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Re: [Frameworks] Looking to buy Bolex or similar

[lindsay mcintyre]

I've got an extra SBM I could sell. It has a 13x viewfinder and the big
bayonet lens on it that they came with. Might be more trouble than it's
worth though as I'm in Vancouver. Let me know off-list if you are
interested and I will take some photos. I also know a guy out here who has
a S16 EBM for sale for a pretty good price.  We tested it with power and it
works but doesn't come with so hopefully Chambless just had a website
glitch because that would be the place to get the bits to power it.

Lindsay



On Wed, Apr 15, 2020 at 8:52 PM Jason Halprin  wrote:

> Yes, I was able to purchase two Rex 5s & lenses from Dieter in Spring
> 2018. This was for an academic department, but I believe he's not picky
> about who wants a camera ;)
>
> Jason Halprin
> jihalp...@gmail.com
> jasonhalprin.com 
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:56 PM Eric Theise  wrote:
>
>> Jason Halprin, didn't you tell me a few years ago that Dieter (aka
>> http://www.bolexusa.com/) was selling reconditioned Rex 5s? Or was that
>> only for the academic market?
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Re: [Frameworks] Looking to buy Bolex or similar

[Jason Halprin]

Yes, I was able to purchase two Rex 5s & lenses from Dieter in Spring 2018.
This was for an academic department, but I believe he's not picky about who
wants a camera ;)

Jason Halprin
jihalp...@gmail.com
jasonhalprin.com 


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 10:56 PM Eric Theise  wrote:

> Jason Halprin, didn't you tell me a few years ago that Dieter (aka
> http://www.bolexusa.com/) was selling reconditioned Rex 5s? Or was that
> only for the academic market?
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Re: [Frameworks] Looking to buy Bolex or similar

[Jeff Kreines]

Filmos and K100s are excellent cameras. No reflex finder, but with a 10mm 
Switar who needs one. The problem with the K100 VF objectives is that 15mm is 
the widest, IIRC. 

The one Beaulieu I kind of like is the spring wind R16G. Yeah, still has that 
aerial image finder that’s bright but hard to focus with. But it isn’t trying 
to be something it isn’t. Famed TV news cameraman Laurens Pierce used that 
camera for MOS. 

Best of luck to you. 



Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
j...@kinetta.com
kinetta.com

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> On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:55 AM, Dave Tetzlaff  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> The problem is that there aren't many people who can service the things any 
>> longer…
> 
> This has been a huge issue in the 16mm world for decades now. Since there 
> does seem to be continuing interest in the medium among ongoing generations 
> of artists, I wonder what we can do to keep the technology alive? Or maybe 
> the question is what kind of organization exists or would have to be formed 
> to keep 16mm going? Assuming, that is, that some sort of film stock will 
> continue to be available, the next question become what happens when the 
> remaining folks like Dieter and Jean-Louis who can fix Bolexes finally 
> retire? If 16mm camera repair/maintenance is no longer a viable business, do 
> we not need some sort of non-profit to collect resources like service manuals 
> and specialized tools and train and employ young people as camera techs, as a 
> subsidy to cinematic arts? 
> 
> Imagining such an arrangement, I would like to put in a word for some of the 
> "less feature-rich MOS camera alternatives to the Bolex” as potential tools 
> for extending the life of the medium, for the very reason that they MUCH 
> easier to service than a Bolex or (FSM forbid) a Beaulieu. I refer 
> specifically to Filmos and Kodak K100s, both of which I personally have taken 
> apart, fiddled with, revived and put back together successfully with just 
> some basic mechanical skills and no specialized training. I mean, when was 
> the last time, if ever, you heard about someone shooting with a K100 or 
> servicing a K100? It’s all Bolex, Bolex, Bolex. Every camera has it’s 
> drawbacks that accelerate as the years go by, with K100s it’s a pain to 
> acquire finder objectives that match the prime lenses you might want to use. 
> But I’m just observing that if we want the medium of personal photochemical 
> motion picture productiion to endure, we ought to value simplicity and ease 
> of service in choosing an limited arsenal of tech we aim to keep in 
> operation. E.g. Filmos forever, but trying to keep Krasno K3s going strikes 
> me as a waste of effort...
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Re: [Frameworks] Looking to buy Bolex or similar

[Dominic Angerame]

I had one of these cameras that I already sold. The wind ups, from my
research, were not meant for export outside of France. They are interesting
cameras many features like a true 1/50th shutter at 24fps. I sold mine
fairly cheap since I already own an Arri S, Rex 4 and a Bolex El. I sold it
for $200-250. It was a while ago.

I am search for a cable for the EL or someone in the states who can repair
the several pin cable going from the power supply to the camera.

Thanks.

Dominic

On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 7:22 AM Dave Tetzlaff 
wrote:

> Hi George:
>
> I have a fairly rare bird I’m willing to sell: a spring drive Beaulieu
> R16.
>
> I’m posting this to the list to give Jeff a chance to crap on it’s French
> idiosyncracies. ;-) Perhaps he will go easy on me/it as we are brothers in
> the Church of the 10mm Switar?? Cheers to Scott for joining the fold, and
> may you too George hear the Word.
>
> The Beaulieu hasn’t been used since it was serviced by Jean Louis Seguin
> several years back… assuming Jean-Louis is still in business, then there’s
> at least one source for service.
>
> I don’t have a price in mind now, as I have no idea what’s fair, haven’t
> researched the market or anything. (Any thoughts, or interest from other
> Frameworkers welcome). If there’s any curiosity, I can go into my thoughts
> on the relative features and virtues/drawbacks vs. a Bolex. Simple version:
> love rhe mechanical reliability of the Bolex, don’t like the RX system at
> all vs. Bealieu moving mirror finder and standard C-mount.
>
> __
>
> > is the Rex 1 possible to refit with a Rex 5 finder?
>
> The very thought evokes a Dr. Moreau of 16mm cameras. The horror! The
> horror! (You know they changed the mechanism in between there, too, right?)
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Looking to buy Bolex or similar

[Dave Tetzlaff]

> The problem is that there aren't many people who can service the things any 
> longer…

This has been a huge issue in the 16mm world for decades now. Since there does 
seem to be continuing interest in the medium among ongoing generations of 
artists, I wonder what we can do to keep the technology alive? Or maybe the 
question is what kind of organization exists or would have to be formed to keep 
16mm going? Assuming, that is, that some sort of film stock will continue to be 
available, the next question become what happens when the remaining folks like 
Dieter and Jean-Louis who can fix Bolexes finally retire? If 16mm camera 
repair/maintenance is no longer a viable business, do we not need some sort of 
non-profit to collect resources like service manuals and specialized tools and 
train and employ young people as camera techs, as a subsidy to cinematic arts? 

Imagining such an arrangement, I would like to put in a word for some of the 
"less feature-rich MOS camera alternatives to the Bolex” as potential tools for 
extending the life of the medium, for the very reason that they MUCH easier to 
service than a Bolex or (FSM forbid) a Beaulieu. I refer specifically to Filmos 
and Kodak K100s, both of which I personally have taken apart, fiddled with, 
revived and put back together successfully with just some basic mechanical 
skills and no specialized training. I mean, when was the last time, if ever, 
you heard about someone shooting with a K100 or servicing a K100? It’s all 
Bolex, Bolex, Bolex. Every camera has it’s drawbacks that accelerate as the 
years go by, with K100s it’s a pain to acquire finder objectives that match the 
prime lenses you might want to use. But I’m just observing that if we want the 
medium of personal photochemical motion picture productiion to endure, we ought 
to value simplicity and ease of service in choosing an limited arsenal of tech 
we aim to keep in operation. E.g. Filmos forever, but trying to keep Krasno K3s 
going strikes me as a waste of effort...
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Re: [Frameworks] Looking to buy Bolex or similar

[Dave Tetzlaff]

Hi George:

I have a fairly rare bird I’m willing to sell: a spring drive Beaulieu R16. 

I’m posting this to the list to give Jeff a chance to crap on it’s French 
idiosyncracies. ;-) Perhaps he will go easy on me/it as we are brothers in the 
Church of the 10mm Switar?? Cheers to Scott for joining the fold, and may you 
too George hear the Word.

The Beaulieu hasn’t been used since it was serviced by Jean Louis Seguin 
several years back… assuming Jean-Louis is still in business, then there’s at 
least one source for service.

I don’t have a price in mind now, as I have no idea what’s fair, haven’t 
researched the market or anything. (Any thoughts, or interest from other 
Frameworkers welcome). If there’s any curiosity, I can go into my thoughts on 
the relative features and virtues/drawbacks vs. a Bolex. Simple version: love 
rhe mechanical reliability of the Bolex, don’t like the RX system at all vs. 
Bealieu moving mirror finder and standard C-mount. 

__

> is the Rex 1 possible to refit with a Rex 5 finder?

The very thought evokes a Dr. Moreau of 16mm cameras. The horror! The horror! 
(You know they changed the mechanism in between there, too, right?)


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Re: [Frameworks] Looking to buy Bolex or similar

[Philippe Leonard]

Jean-Louis Seguin in Montreal sells and repairs Bolex cameras.
Can be reached here: bolext...@gmail.com


Film | Photography | Cinematography | Performance | Visuals
www.philippe-leonard.com


On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 8:52 AM Scott Dorsey  wrote:

> The problem is that there aren't many people who can service the things
> any longer, whereas it used to be there were thousands of older guys who
> had been through Filmo and Eyemo school in the service who were doing
> camera service.  So what you save in lower prices due to reduced demand,
> you pay double for in higher prices for refurbishment and basic
> maintenance.
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Re: [Frameworks] Looking to buy Bolex or similar

[Scott Dorsey]

The problem is that there aren't many people who can service the things
any longer, whereas it used to be there were thousands of older guys who
had been through Filmo and Eyemo school in the service who were doing 
camera service.  So what you save in lower prices due to reduced demand,
you pay double for in higher prices for refurbishment and basic maintenance.
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[Scott Dorsey]

Yes, I mean Du-All.  

I noticed Chambless's website is down today.  Are they okay?
--scott
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Re: [Frameworks] Looking to buy Bolex or similar

[Isaac Brooks]

Dieter does sell Rex 5 cameras.

Some well known 16mm camera retailers have reduced their prices for sync
cameras and less feature-rich MOS camera alternatives to the Bolex.

The Bolex’s overall level of quality for the money and it’s spring drive
have made it seemingly less prone to the up/down of that market. And
generally, compared to the DSLR boom 10 years ago when there was a variety
of that stuff being sold off all the time, the format has been earning a
higher price lately. Shops that can service reliably and that have
desirable examples of H16 cameras have been priced pretty high as far as I
have seen.


IB

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 9:56 PM Eric Theise  wrote:

> Jason Halprin, didn't you tell me a few years ago that Dieter (aka
> http://www.bolexusa.com/) was selling reconditioned Rex 5s? Or was that
> only for the academic market?
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:22 PM Eric Theise  wrote:
>
>> Forgive me for not looking but have these equipment houses ever adjusted
>> their prices or are they still acting as if  film is the only game in town?
>> I'm thinking of the prices I used to see for gear up on the second floor at
>> Adolph Gasser in San Francisco; already seemed absurdly out of touch in the
>> mid-1990s. Or do they perform maintenance and repair of such quality that
>> the prices are justified?
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:13 PM Jeff Kreines  wrote:
>>
>>> I think you mean DuAll. DuArt was a film lab famous for losing films in
>>> their vaults.
>>>
>>> DuAll is recommended and in NYC.
>>>
>>> Jeff Kreines
>>> Kinetta
>>> j...@kinetta.com
>>> kinetta.com
>>>
>>> Sent from iPhone.
>>>
>>> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > You tried DuArt and B's used division?
>>> > --scott
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[Eric Theise]

Jason Halprin, didn't you tell me a few years ago that Dieter (aka
http://www.bolexusa.com/) was selling reconditioned Rex 5s? Or was that
only for the academic market?


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:22 PM Eric Theise  wrote:

> Forgive me for not looking but have these equipment houses ever adjusted
> their prices or are they still acting as if  film is the only game in town?
> I'm thinking of the prices I used to see for gear up on the second floor at
> Adolph Gasser in San Francisco; already seemed absurdly out of touch in the
> mid-1990s. Or do they perform maintenance and repair of such quality that
> the prices are justified?
>
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:13 PM Jeff Kreines  wrote:
>
>> I think you mean DuAll. DuArt was a film lab famous for losing films in
>> their vaults.
>>
>> DuAll is recommended and in NYC.
>>
>> Jeff Kreines
>> Kinetta
>> j...@kinetta.com
>> kinetta.com
>>
>> Sent from iPhone.
>>
>> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
>> >
>> > You tried DuArt and B's used division?
>> > --scott
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[Eric Theise]

Forgive me for not looking but have these equipment houses ever adjusted
their prices or are they still acting as if  film is the only game in town?
I'm thinking of the prices I used to see for gear up on the second floor at
Adolph Gasser in San Francisco; already seemed absurdly out of touch in the
mid-1990s. Or do they perform maintenance and repair of such quality that
the prices are justified?


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:13 PM Jeff Kreines  wrote:

> I think you mean DuAll. DuArt was a film lab famous for losing films in
> their vaults.
>
> DuAll is recommended and in NYC.
>
> Jeff Kreines
> Kinetta
> j...@kinetta.com
> kinetta.com
>
> Sent from iPhone.
>
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
> >
> > You tried DuArt and B's used division?
> > --scott
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[Jeff Kreines]

I think you mean DuAll. DuArt was a film lab famous for losing films in their 
vaults. 

DuAll is recommended and in NYC. 

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
j...@kinetta.com
kinetta.com

Sent from iPhone. 

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 7:29 PM, Scott Dorsey  wrote:
> 
> You tried DuArt and B's used division? 
> --scott
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[Scott Dorsey]

Jeff, is the Rex 1 possible to refit with a Rex 5 finder?  The Rex 1 finder is
really kind of horrible but I have never seen a retrofit done before.

> Get a 10mm Rx Switar and you're good to go.

I second this recommendation... I had no idea how cool this lens was until a
few years ago.  
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[Scott Dorsey]

You tried DuArt and B's used division? 
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[Jeff Kreines]

I’d avoid the EL — buggy electronics and hard to fix. Beaulieus are buggy, too. 
And don’t even think of a Scoopic...

Get a later Rex 5 (not for the magazines, but for the 13x viewfinder (vs 10x on 
the Rex 4 and earlier Rex 5s, and the 2x on Rex 1 and IIRC Rex 2. 

Get a 10mm Rx Switar and you’re good to go. 

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
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> On Apr 12, 2020, at 7:02 PM, George Monteleone  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi, everyone.  I hope you're staying safe.  
> 
> My trusty Rex-4 was stolen last Fall and I'm ready to invest in a 
> replacement.  Ideally I'd like to find a Rex-5 in nice shape (any extras a 
> plus.)  
> 
> I would consider a Beaulieu R16 or Bolex EL *but* I'm not sure if these have 
> time exposure features, and that's something I'd like to have.  
> 
> I'm in NYC, happy to pay for shipping if we can make a deal; if you're within 
> a couple hours of the city I can drive to you and we can do a safe socially 
> distanced exchange.  Please send me quotes or links if you're interested in 
> selling!  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> George
> georgemontele...@gmail.com
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[George Monteleone]

Hi, everyone.  I hope you're staying safe.

My trusty Rex-4 was stolen last Fall and I'm ready to invest in a
replacement.  Ideally I'd like to find a Rex-5 in nice shape (any extras a
plus.)

I would consider a Beaulieu R16 or Bolex EL *but* I'm not sure if these
have time exposure features, and that's something I'd like to have.

I'm in NYC, happy to pay for shipping if we can make a deal; if you're
within a couple hours of the city I can drive to you and we can do a safe
socially distanced exchange.  Please send me quotes or links if you're
interested in selling!

Thanks,

George
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