Re: [Frameworks] Western Cine guide to editing 16mm film?

[Nicole Baker]

Hi Jason,
Please send me the link.  This document sounds amazing.
Thanks!
Nicole Elaine Baker
MFA in Visual Studies, 2019
Pacific Northwest College of Art
Hallie Ford School of Graduate Studies
*www.magiklantern.com *




On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 9:15 AM Jason Halprin  wrote:

> Hi Everyone!
>
> A quick update...as I was away for a bit, but recalled where a hardcopy of
> this document might be in my actual files! As Eric T pointed out earlier in
> this thread, the document I was looking for did indeed originate with
> Motion Picture Services. Its an 18 pg document that I just scanned to pdf,
> and is pretty much as I recall, complete with diagrams on marking a work
> print in preparation for negative cutting and A/B rolling.
>
> If you're interested, contact me off list and I can send a link.
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
> Jason Halprin
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Western Cine guide to editing 16mm film?

[Jeff Kreines]

This might be what you are after. Labs sometimes distributed this under their 
own name. There are later editions. 



Handbook: Recommended Procedures for Motion PictHandbook: Recommended 
Procedures for Motion Picture and Video Laboratory Services.ure and Video 
Laboratory Services. 
ACVL 

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> On Dec 14, 2018, at 6:31 PM, Eric Theise  wrote:
> 
> The frame says –
> 
> Download this Exremely [sic] Helpful Word Document, Courtesy of: MPS
> 
> "..Your workprint and tracks serve as the "blue print" for work 
> performed at the laboratory. The leaders on the head and tail of your rolls 
> of film provide for proper syncing and handling, not only on your rolls, but 
> also, on the rolls created later during sound rerecording, negative cutting, 
> and laboratory work. Marks on the workprint show the Negative Cutter where 
> special effects are required so that the "A" rolls can be assembled. The 
> lab uses these same marks to cue the printer to produce those effects. The 
> correct preparation of your workprint is important to the completion of your 
> production. Errors made because of incomplete or incorrect instructions can 
> be very costly to you in both budget and deadline. We, at Motion Picture 
> Services, have an interest in helping you through this stage of your 
> production. We invite your questions and ask you to call us for help or 
> clarification with your production, workprint preparation, and schedules 
> (303-777-2110). We have produced the attached drawings to show a minimum 
> requirement for leaders and effects marks. Other publications such as the 
> "ACVL Handbook" may provide additional information that would be useful to 
> you..."
> 
> – so that doc didn't originate with Western Cine/Cinema Lab. The page also 
> has an image that looks like a return address sticker that says:
> 
> Motion Picture Services
> Susie Phillips, (303) 777 2110
> 1115 S. Josephine, Denver, Co. 80210
> 
> Post back here if you ever find it, sounds useful.
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:24 PM Eric Theise  wrote:
>> Hi Jason,
>> 
>> I think this must be what you're looking for but it doesn't appear that the 
>> Wayback Machine actually archived it, just the frame-based site that 
>> contained it.
>> 
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20040627095859fw_/http://www.thecinemalab.com:80/booklet.zip
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM Jason Halprin  wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> In one of my computer updates, I seem to no longer have a pdf of a guide to 
>>> 16/35mm film editing that was originally put together by Western Cine. As I 
>>> recall, this included guidelines for marking your workprint, preparing 
>>> negatives for A/B rolling, and essentially the whole process that someone 
>>> working with a negative cutter (or a negative cutter themselves) would want 
>>> to follow.
>>> 
>>> Does anyone know what I'm referring to? Or, where I might find it? If I 
>>> recall, I downloaded it from the Cinema Lab (successor to Western Cine) 
>>> website back in the early 2000s.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in Advance!
>>> 
>>> Jason Halprin
>>> jihalp...@gmail.com
>>> jasonhalprin.com
>>> ___
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>>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com
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Re: [Frameworks] Western Cine guide to editing 16mm film?

[Jason Halprin]

Hi Everyone!

A quick update...as I was away for a bit, but recalled where a hardcopy of
this document might be in my actual files! As Eric T pointed out earlier in
this thread, the document I was looking for did indeed originate with
Motion Picture Services. Its an 18 pg document that I just scanned to pdf,
and is pretty much as I recall, complete with diagrams on marking a work
print in preparation for negative cutting and A/B rolling.

If you're interested, contact me off list and I can send a link.

Thanks everyone,

Jason Halprin
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Re: [Frameworks] Western Cine guide to editing 16mm film?

[Jeff Kreines]

It may be the ACL handbook, association of cinema labs. A quick internet search 
yielded nothing. 

Jeff Kreines
Kinetta
j...@kinetta.com
kinetta.com

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> On Dec 14, 2018, at 6:10 PM, Jason Halprin  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> In one of my computer updates, I seem to no longer have a pdf of a guide to 
> 16/35mm film editing that was originally put together by Western Cine. As I 
> recall, this included guidelines for marking your workprint, preparing 
> negatives for A/B rolling, and essentially the whole process that someone 
> working with a negative cutter (or a negative cutter themselves) would want 
> to follow.
> 
> Does anyone know what I'm referring to? Or, where I might find it? If I 
> recall, I downloaded it from the Cinema Lab (successor to Western Cine) 
> website back in the early 2000s.
> 
> Thanks in Advance!
> 
> Jason Halprin
> jihalp...@gmail.com
> jasonhalprin.com
> ___
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> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com
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Re: [Frameworks] Western Cine guide to editing 16mm film?

[Mark Toscano]

Lenny Lipton's Independent Filmmaking probably has all of this info in it,
and then then then some.

Mark T


On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:32 PM Eric Theise  wrote:

> The frame says –
>
> Download this Exremely [sic] Helpful Word Document, Courtesy of: MPS
>
> "..Your workprint and tracks serve as the "blue print" for work
> performed at the laboratory. The leaders on the head and tail of your rolls
> of film provide for proper syncing and handling, not only on your rolls,
> but also, on the rolls created later during sound rerecording, negative
> cutting, and laboratory work. Marks on the workprint show the Negative
> Cutter where special effects are required so that the "A" rolls can be
> assembled. The lab uses these same marks to cue the printer to produce
> those effects. The correct preparation of your workprint is important to
> the completion of your production. Errors made because of incomplete or
> incorrect instructions can be very costly to you in both budget and
> deadline. We, at Motion Picture Services, have an interest in helping you
> through this stage of your production. We invite your questions and ask you
> to call us for help or clarification with your production, workprint
> preparation, and schedules (303-777-2110). We have produced the attached
> drawings to show a minimum requirement for leaders and effects marks. Other
> publications such as the "ACVL Handbook" may provide additional information
> that would be useful to you..."
>
> – so that doc didn't originate with Western Cine/Cinema Lab. The page also
> has an image that looks like a return address sticker that says:
>
> Motion Picture Services
> Susie Phillips, (303) 777 2110
> 1115 S. Josephine, Denver, Co. 80210
>
> Post back here if you ever find it, sounds useful.
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:24 PM Eric Theise  wrote:
>
>> Hi Jason,
>>
>> I think this must be what you're looking for but it doesn't appear that
>> the Wayback Machine actually archived it, just the frame-based site that
>> contained it.
>>
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20040627095859fw_/http://www.thecinemalab.com:80/booklet.zip
>>
>> Eric
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM Jason Halprin 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> In one of my computer updates, I seem to no longer have a pdf of a guide
>>> to 16/35mm film editing that was originally put together by Western Cine.
>>> As I recall, this included guidelines for marking your workprint, preparing
>>> negatives for A/B rolling, and essentially the whole process that someone
>>> working with a negative cutter (or a negative cutter themselves) would want
>>> to follow.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what I'm referring to? Or, where I might find it? If I
>>> recall, I downloaded it from the Cinema Lab (successor to Western Cine)
>>> website back in the early 2000s.
>>>
>>> Thanks in Advance!
>>>
>>> Jason Halprin
>>> jihalp...@gmail.com
>>> jasonhalprin.com 
>>> ___
>>> FrameWorks mailing list
>>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com
>>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>>>
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Re: [Frameworks] Western Cine guide to editing 16mm film?

[Eric Theise]

The frame says –

Download this Exremely [sic] Helpful Word Document, Courtesy of: MPS

"..Your workprint and tracks serve as the "blue print" for work
performed at the laboratory. The leaders on the head and tail of your rolls
of film provide for proper syncing and handling, not only on your rolls,
but also, on the rolls created later during sound rerecording, negative
cutting, and laboratory work. Marks on the workprint show the Negative
Cutter where special effects are required so that the "A" rolls can be
assembled. The lab uses these same marks to cue the printer to produce
those effects. The correct preparation of your workprint is important to
the completion of your production. Errors made because of incomplete or
incorrect instructions can be very costly to you in both budget and
deadline. We, at Motion Picture Services, have an interest in helping you
through this stage of your production. We invite your questions and ask you
to call us for help or clarification with your production, workprint
preparation, and schedules (303-777-2110). We have produced the attached
drawings to show a minimum requirement for leaders and effects marks. Other
publications such as the "ACVL Handbook" may provide additional information
that would be useful to you..."

– so that doc didn't originate with Western Cine/Cinema Lab. The page also
has an image that looks like a return address sticker that says:

Motion Picture Services
Susie Phillips, (303) 777 2110
1115 S. Josephine, Denver, Co. 80210

Post back here if you ever find it, sounds useful.


On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:24 PM Eric Theise  wrote:

> Hi Jason,
>
> I think this must be what you're looking for but it doesn't appear that
> the Wayback Machine actually archived it, just the frame-based site that
> contained it.
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20040627095859fw_/http://www.thecinemalab.com:80/booklet.zip
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM Jason Halprin  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> In one of my computer updates, I seem to no longer have a pdf of a guide
>> to 16/35mm film editing that was originally put together by Western Cine.
>> As I recall, this included guidelines for marking your workprint, preparing
>> negatives for A/B rolling, and essentially the whole process that someone
>> working with a negative cutter (or a negative cutter themselves) would want
>> to follow.
>>
>> Does anyone know what I'm referring to? Or, where I might find it? If I
>> recall, I downloaded it from the Cinema Lab (successor to Western Cine)
>> website back in the early 2000s.
>>
>> Thanks in Advance!
>>
>> Jason Halprin
>> jihalp...@gmail.com
>> jasonhalprin.com 
>> ___
>> FrameWorks mailing list
>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com
>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
>>
>
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Re: [Frameworks] Western Cine guide to editing 16mm film?

[Eric Theise]

Hi Jason,

I think this must be what you're looking for but it doesn't appear that the
Wayback Machine actually archived it, just the frame-based site that
contained it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20040627095859fw_/http://www.thecinemalab.com:80/booklet.zip

Eric


On Fri, Dec 14, 2018 at 4:11 PM Jason Halprin  wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> In one of my computer updates, I seem to no longer have a pdf of a guide
> to 16/35mm film editing that was originally put together by Western Cine.
> As I recall, this included guidelines for marking your workprint, preparing
> negatives for A/B rolling, and essentially the whole process that someone
> working with a negative cutter (or a negative cutter themselves) would want
> to follow.
>
> Does anyone know what I'm referring to? Or, where I might find it? If I
> recall, I downloaded it from the Cinema Lab (successor to Western Cine)
> website back in the early 2000s.
>
> Thanks in Advance!
>
> Jason Halprin
> jihalp...@gmail.com
> jasonhalprin.com 
> ___
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> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com
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Re: [Frameworks] Western Cine guide to editing 16mm film?

[Brian Wilson]

Try contacting Robert David, who ran Cinema Lab. I’m not sure if the old phone 
number still works or not, but I can try to find his email address if you don’t 
have it. 

Brian Wilson

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> On Dec 14, 2018, at 6:10 PM, Jason Halprin  wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> In one of my computer updates, I seem to no longer have a pdf of a guide to 
> 16/35mm film editing that was originally put together by Western Cine. As I 
> recall, this included guidelines for marking your workprint, preparing 
> negatives for A/B rolling, and essentially the whole process that someone 
> working with a negative cutter (or a negative cutter themselves) would want 
> to follow.
> 
> Does anyone know what I'm referring to? Or, where I might find it? If I 
> recall, I downloaded it from the Cinema Lab (successor to Western Cine) 
> website back in the early 2000s.
> 
> Thanks in Advance!
> 
> Jason Halprin
> jihalp...@gmail.com
> jasonhalprin.com
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[Frameworks] Western Cine guide to editing 16mm film?

[Jason Halprin]

Hi All,

In one of my computer updates, I seem to no longer have a pdf of a guide to
16/35mm film editing that was originally put together by Western Cine. As I
recall, this included guidelines for marking your workprint, preparing
negatives for A/B rolling, and essentially the whole process that someone
working with a negative cutter (or a negative cutter themselves) would want
to follow.

Does anyone know what I'm referring to? Or, where I might find it? If I
recall, I downloaded it from the Cinema Lab (successor to Western Cine)
website back in the early 2000s.

Thanks in Advance!

Jason Halprin
jihalp...@gmail.com
jasonhalprin.com 
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