Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia
Thanks again Ekrem (et al) - VERY helpful info! The last transformer I used was literally hand rigged in Moldova It functioned, but looked like something out of Frankenstein's lab! jd From: Ekrem Serdar Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List Date: Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:04 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia Cool, glad I could help! One note that I didn't think of when I bought an electric converter for an older projector is to make sure the electric converter can handle more than you're giving it. This article seems to be a knowledgable guide on how to choose one. http://www.voltagesuperstore.com/choosingrightconverter.shtml Before I knew about frequencies, I lugged a Pageant over to Turkey, got a converter that could just about handle it, watched a movie that was slow due to frequency difference, and then the projector busted :(. It was the saddest, but I learned! On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM, John Davis <0johndav...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Ekrem, > > Thanks so much for the info! I totally missed these have been scouring Ebay > for some time now. This is the perfect (if not heavy) solution! > > Cheers!!! > > jd > > From: Ekrem Serdar > Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List > Date: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:23 PM > To: Experimental Film Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia > > Also - as they use older lamps, I presume you'll need a pricier electric > converter too that can handle the wattage. Again, probably not the best > option, but if you're in a bind. > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Ekrem Serdar wrote: >> Hi John, >> >> While this will definitely be a heavier option, one I know for sure are >> these Telex models which you can get brand new with a zoom lens. I really >> like them, they're nice and gentle and they have a frequency option (military >> projector). >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TELEX-16mm-Sound-Projector-Stock-NEW-/28122917867 >> 4?pt=US_Movie_Slide_Projectors&hash=item417a90b732 >> >> But as said, heavy as hell. I feel like there's appropriate Eiki models are >> out there too (though I can't think of the model numbers), but if you can't >> find any, it's an option. >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:17 PM, John Davis <0johndav...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am traveling as an instructor/visiting artist for a month to Dushanbe, >>> Tajikistan end of March to assist in some found footage workshops for >>> regional artists to work with a 16mm Soviet film archive there. I need to >>> obtain two projectors that I can fly with me from California for use as >>> transfer/viewing/exhibition machines. >>> >>> My question is if anyone knows any good projectors that can handle the >>> transformation from 120v to 220v. Last time I did this I brought a generic >>> B&H 16mm with me to Moldova and a transformer was rigged for it. Although it >>> worked, the footage ran slower and the machine got hot - didn't fail, but >>> always seemed on the edge. My understanding is the frequency of the motor >>> can't tolerate the transforming of current, and you need to have a projector >>> optimized for 120 - 220v range at 40 - 60hz. Most don't, but a few were made >>> to. The ones I know can are the B&H 1698 A or B, B&H 1680, B&H 2580 AX, and >>> the Telex 2251. I don't which Eikei's did, but I'm sure there are a few. >>> >>> If anyone has any experience with this, or has any advice (or equipment they >>> want to sell me) I am all ears! >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> John Davis >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> ekrem serdar >> austin, tx > > > > -- > ekrem serdar > austin, tx > ___ FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.comhttps://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/fr > ameworks > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > -- ekrem serdar austin, tx ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia
Yes, I will say that there are a lot of really dreadful Chinese autotransformer converters out there... most of them are actually only good for about half the current on the nameplate before the regulation goes to hell. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia
Cool, glad I could help! One note that I didn't think of when I bought an electric converter for an older projector is to make sure the electric converter can handle more than you're giving it. This article seems to be a knowledgable guide on how to choose one. http://www.voltagesuperstore.com/choosingrightconverter.shtml Before I knew about frequencies, I lugged a Pageant over to Turkey, got a converter that could just about handle it, watched a movie that was slow due to frequency difference, and then the projector busted :(. It was the saddest, but I learned! On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 4:04 PM, John Davis <0johndav...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Ekrem, > > Thanks so much for the info! I totally missed these… have been scouring > Ebay for some time now. This is the perfect (if not heavy) solution! > > Cheers!!! > > jd > > From: Ekrem Serdar > Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List < > frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com> > Date: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:23 PM > To: Experimental Film Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia > > Also - as they use older lamps, I presume you'll need a pricier electric > converter too that can handle the wattage. Again, probably not the best > option, but if you're in a bind. > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Ekrem Serdar wrote: > >> Hi John, >> >> While this will definitely be a heavier option, one I know for sure are >> these Telex models which you can get brand new with a zoom lens. I really >> like them, they're nice and gentle and they have a frequency option >> (military projector). >> >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TELEX-16mm-Sound-Projector-Stock-NEW-/281229178674?pt=US_Movie_Slide_Projectors&hash=item417a90b732 >> >> But as said, heavy as hell. I feel like there's appropriate Eiki models >> are out there too (though I can't think of the model numbers), but if you >> can't find any, it's an option. >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:17 PM, John Davis <0johndav...@gmail.com>wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am traveling as an instructor/visiting artist for a month to Dushanbe, >>> Tajikistan end of March to assist in some found footage workshops for >>> regional artists to work with a 16mm Soviet film archive there. I need to >>> obtain two projectors that I can fly with me from California for use as >>> transfer/viewing/exhibition machines. >>> >>> My question is if anyone knows any good projectors that can handle the >>> transformation from 120v to 220v. Last time I did this I brought a generic >>> B&H 16mm with me to Moldova and a transformer was rigged for it. Although >>> it worked, the footage ran slower and the machine got hot - didn't fail, >>> but always seemed on the edge. My understanding is the frequency of the >>> motor can't tolerate the transforming of current, and you need to have a >>> projector optimized for 120 - 220v range at 40 - 60hz. Most don't, but a >>> few were made to. The ones I know can are the B&H 1698 A or >>> B, B&H 1680, B&H 2580 AX, and the Telex 2251. I don't which Eikei's did, >>> but I'm sure there are a few. >>> >>> If anyone has any experience with this, or has any advice (or equipment >>> they want to sell me) I am all ears! >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> John Davis >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> ekrem serdar >> austin, tx >> > > > > -- > ekrem serdar > austin, tx > ___ FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > -- ekrem serdar austin, tx ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia
If you can get a hold of a Bauer P8 TS universal, they work at all voltages and cycles. Jean-Louis Sent from my iPod > On Jan 12, 2014, at 5:04 PM, John Davis <0johndav...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Hi Ekrem, > > Thanks so much for the info! I totally missed these… have been scouring Ebay > for some time now. This is the perfect (if not heavy) solution! > > Cheers!!! > > jd > > From: Ekrem Serdar > Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List > Date: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:23 PM > To: Experimental Film Discussion List > Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia > > Also - as they use older lamps, I presume you'll need a pricier electric > converter too that can handle the wattage. Again, probably not the best > option, but if you're in a bind. > > >> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Ekrem Serdar wrote: >> Hi John, >> >> While this will definitely be a heavier option, one I know for sure are >> these Telex models which you can get brand new with a zoom lens. I really >> like them, they're nice and gentle and they have a frequency option >> (military projector). >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TELEX-16mm-Sound-Projector-Stock-NEW-/281229178674?pt=US_Movie_Slide_Projectors&hash=item417a90b732 >> >> But as said, heavy as hell. I feel like there's appropriate Eiki models >> are out there too (though I can't think of the model numbers), but if you >> can't find any, it's an option. >> >> >>> On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:17 PM, John Davis <0johndav...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I am traveling as an instructor/visiting artist for a month to Dushanbe, >>> Tajikistan end of March to assist in some found footage workshops for >>> regional artists to work with a 16mm Soviet film archive there. I need to >>> obtain two projectors that I can fly with me from California for use as >>> transfer/viewing/exhibition machines. >>> >>> My question is if anyone knows any good projectors that can handle the >>> transformation from 120v to 220v. Last time I did this I brought a generic >>> B&H 16mm with me to Moldova and a transformer was rigged for it. Although >>> it worked, the footage ran slower and the machine got hot - didn't fail, >>> but always seemed on the edge. My understanding is the frequency of the >>> motor can't tolerate the transforming of current, and you need to have a >>> projector optimized for 120 - 220v range at 40 - 60hz. Most don't, but a >>> few were made to. The ones I know can are the B&H 1698 A or B, B&H 1680, >>> B&H 2580 AX, and the Telex 2251. I don't which Eikei's did, but I'm sure >>> there are a few. >>> >>> If anyone has any experience with this, or has any advice (or equipment >>> they want to sell me) I am all ears! >>> >>> Thanks! >>> >>> John Davis >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> FrameWorks mailing list >>> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >>> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> >> >> -- >> ekrem serdar >> austin, tx > > > > -- > ekrem serdar > austin, tx > ___ FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia
Hi Ekrem, Thanks so much for the info! I totally missed these have been scouring Ebay for some time now. This is the perfect (if not heavy) solution! Cheers!!! jd From: Ekrem Serdar Reply-To: Experimental Film Discussion List Date: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:23 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia Also - as they use older lamps, I presume you'll need a pricier electric converter too that can handle the wattage. Again, probably not the best option, but if you're in a bind. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Ekrem Serdar wrote: > Hi John, > > While this will definitely be a heavier option, one I know for sure are > these Telex models which you can get brand new with a zoom lens. I really like > them, they're nice and gentle and they have a frequency option (military > projector). > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TELEX-16mm-Sound-Projector-Stock-NEW-/281229178674 > ?pt=US_Movie_Slide_Projectors&hash=item417a90b732 > > But as said, heavy as hell. I feel like there's appropriate Eiki models are > out there too (though I can't think of the model numbers), but if you can't > find any, it's an option. > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:17 PM, John Davis <0johndav...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I am traveling as an instructor/visiting artist for a month to Dushanbe, >> Tajikistan end of March to assist in some found footage workshops for >> regional artists to work with a 16mm Soviet film archive there. I need to >> obtain two projectors that I can fly with me from California for use as >> transfer/viewing/exhibition machines. >> >> My question is if anyone knows any good projectors that can handle the >> transformation from 120v to 220v. Last time I did this I brought a generic >> B&H 16mm with me to Moldova and a transformer was rigged for it. Although it >> worked, the footage ran slower and the machine got hot - didn't fail, but >> always seemed on the edge. My understanding is the frequency of the motor >> can't tolerate the transforming of current, and you need to have a projector >> optimized for 120 - 220v range at 40 - 60hz. Most don't, but a few were made >> to. The ones I know can are the B&H 1698 A or B, B&H 1680, B&H 2580 AX, and >> the Telex 2251. I don't which Eikei's did, but I'm sure there are a few. >> >> If anyone has any experience with this, or has any advice (or equipment they >> want to sell me) I am all ears! >> >> Thanks! >> >> John Davis >> >> >> ___ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> > > > > -- > ekrem serdar > austin, tx -- ekrem serdar austin, tx ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia
If you use a B&H 500-series projector on 50 Hz power, you need a different pulley to get it to run on speed. ICECO in Miami should have the pulley available. But yes, they will run much hotter, in part because the motors are kind of undersized. The older 300-series projectors use universal motors with interruptor governors, to make them usable on 50 Hz power, 60 Hz power, or (models without transformers in the sound amp) DC. They are a better choice for this sort of application since they were in fact designed for it. But, you might consider buying or renting a Zenit projector in country and avoiding having to ship a projector in and out. They are lighter on film than the B&H 500-series but not as gentle as the 300-series. --scott ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia
Also - as they use older lamps, I presume you'll need a pricier electric converter too that can handle the wattage. Again, probably not the best option, but if you're in a bind. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:21 PM, Ekrem Serdar wrote: > Hi John, > > While this will definitely be a heavier option, one I know for sure are > these Telex models which you can get brand new with a zoom lens. I really > like them, they're nice and gentle and they have a frequency option > (military projector). > > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TELEX-16mm-Sound-Projector-Stock-NEW-/281229178674?pt=US_Movie_Slide_Projectors&hash=item417a90b732 > > But as said, heavy as hell. I feel like there's appropriate Eiki models > are out there too (though I can't think of the model numbers), but if you > can't find any, it's an option. > > > On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:17 PM, John Davis <0johndav...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I am traveling as an instructor/visiting artist for a month to Dushanbe, >> Tajikistan end of March to assist in some found footage workshops for >> regional artists to work with a 16mm Soviet film archive there. I need to >> obtain two projectors that I can fly with me from California for use as >> transfer/viewing/exhibition machines. >> >> My question is if anyone knows any good projectors that can handle the >> transformation from 120v to 220v. Last time I did this I brought a generic >> B&H 16mm with me to Moldova and a transformer was rigged for it. Although >> it worked, the footage ran slower and the machine got hot - didn't fail, >> but always seemed on the edge. My understanding is the frequency of the >> motor can't tolerate the transforming of current, and you need to have a >> projector optimized for 120 - 220v range at 40 - 60hz. Most don't, but a >> few were made to. The ones I know can are the B&H 1698 A or >> B, B&H 1680, B&H 2580 AX, and the Telex 2251. I don't which Eikei's did, >> but I'm sure there are a few. >> >> If anyone has any experience with this, or has any advice (or equipment >> they want to sell me) I am all ears! >> >> Thanks! >> >> John Davis >> >> >> ___ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks >> >> > > > -- > ekrem serdar > austin, tx > -- ekrem serdar austin, tx ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] 16mm projectors for use in Central Asia
Hi John, While this will definitely be a heavier option, one I know for sure are these Telex models which you can get brand new with a zoom lens. I really like them, they're nice and gentle and they have a frequency option (military projector). http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-TELEX-16mm-Sound-Projector-Stock-NEW-/281229178674?pt=US_Movie_Slide_Projectors&hash=item417a90b732 But as said, heavy as hell. I feel like there's appropriate Eiki models are out there too (though I can't think of the model numbers), but if you can't find any, it's an option. On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 3:17 PM, John Davis <0johndav...@gmail.com> wrote: > Hello, > > I am traveling as an instructor/visiting artist for a month to Dushanbe, > Tajikistan end of March to assist in some found footage workshops for > regional artists to work with a 16mm Soviet film archive there. I need to > obtain two projectors that I can fly with me from California for use as > transfer/viewing/exhibition machines. > > My question is if anyone knows any good projectors that can handle the > transformation from 120v to 220v. Last time I did this I brought a generic > B&H 16mm with me to Moldova and a transformer was rigged for it. Although > it worked, the footage ran slower and the machine got hot - didn't fail, > but always seemed on the edge. My understanding is the frequency of the > motor can't tolerate the transforming of current, and you need to have a > projector optimized for 120 - 220v range at 40 - 60hz. Most don't, but a > few were made to. The ones I know can are the B&H 1698 A or > B, B&H 1680, B&H 2580 AX, and the Telex 2251. I don't which Eikei's did, > but I'm sure there are a few. > > If anyone has any experience with this, or has any advice (or equipment > they want to sell me) I am all ears! > > Thanks! > > John Davis > > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > -- ekrem serdar austin, tx ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
