Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
Frameworkers, Thank you all very much for your advise on Dizziness! Helped us a lot. All best from Vienna, ruth+leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ++43 699 10984551 Schüttelstr. 21/14 1020 Vienna cont...@anderwald-grond.at http://www.anderwald-grond.at follow on twitter @anderwaldgrond http://www.hasenherz.at Am 03.04.2013 um 16:59 schrieb Brandon Walley brand...@gmail.com: I think Bruce McClure's live 16mm performances have been some of the more disorienting cinematic experiences I have had. It could also said that the texts that he often hands out at his screenings could also have a dizzying mental effect on the reader. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:11 AM, dan browne safety...@gmail.com wrote: Feel free to check out my recent project memento mori -- it offers up over 100,000 images in less than 30 minutes... www.mementomorifilm.com or https://vimeo.com/54265266 Other works of possible interest: Seven Days, Windmill II - Chris Welsby Visions in Meditation II: Mesa Verde, Black Ice - Stan Brakhage Sydney Harbour Bridge - Paul Winkler Castro St. - Bruce Baillie Faux Mouvements - Pip Chodorov db On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Dear frameworkers, We are currently conceiving a research project, including film screenings, on the phenomenon of Dizziness/Disorientation seen as a resource for thought and artistic practice. Could you please recommend theory writings or artists' films and videos? Thank you! Ruth + Leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Brandon Walley ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
*Ponce de León* (2012) by Jim Drain and Ben Russell is a slow moving work with a constantly moving and complexly rotating camera that is dizzying and disorienting and does some very interesting things with the experience of time and the representation of space. screening in San Francisco this weekend on Sunday by the way: http://www.sfcinematheque.org/#/calendar/201304050/ Steve Polta On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 1:32 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Frameworkers, Thank you all very much for your advise on Dizziness! Helped us a lot. All best from Vienna, ruth+leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ++43 699 10984551 Schüttelstr. 21/14 1020 Vienna cont...@anderwald-grond.at http://www.anderwald-grond.at follow on twitter @anderwaldgrond https://twitter.com/anderwaldgrond http://www.hasenherz.at Am 03.04.2013 um 16:59 schrieb Brandon Walley brand...@gmail.com: I think Bruce McClure's live 16mm performances have been some of the more disorienting cinematic experiences I have had. It could also said that the texts that he often hands out at his screenings could also have a dizzying mental effect on the reader. On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 10:11 AM, dan browne safety...@gmail.com wrote: Feel free to check out my recent project memento mori -- it offers up over 100,000 images in less than 30 minutes... www.mementomorifilm.comor https://vimeo.com/54265266 Other works of possible interest: Seven Days, Windmill II - Chris Welsby Visions in Meditation II: Mesa Verde, Black Ice - Stan Brakhage Sydney Harbour Bridge - Paul Winkler Castro St. - Bruce Baillie Faux Mouvements - Pip Chodorov db On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Dear frameworkers, We are currently conceiving a research project, including film screenings, on the phenomenon of Dizziness/Disorientation seen as a resource for thought and artistic practice. Could you please recommend theory writings or artists' films and videos? Thank you! Ruth + Leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Brandon Walley ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
Hi Ruth and Leo, and everyone else, I would say that any kind of flicker film has something to do with dizziness and disorientation (The Flicker, Epileptic Seizure Comparison, etc.). Anyway, I think that the best examples of that kind of practices in art are installations like the ones by Kurt Hentschlager, specially Zee, or Intersection by Don Ritter. Maybe some structural films also, like Serene Velocity by Ernie Gehr, some of the films by Peter Tscherkassky (Outer Space) and Jordan Belson (Allures)… Best wishes. (Ø) _ _blank www.null66913.net www.mediateletipos.net ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
Well, it's right here, so we can see for ourselves: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1XNWrUP1u4 A friend of mine saw it last year in New York, and she says she still hasn't recovered! -Original Message- From: Jonathan Walley wall...@denison.edu To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Tue, Apr 2, 2013 5:46 am Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation I don't think it's a reach at all to say that BaF can induce dizziness or disorientation; calling the film static, and implicitly likening its camera movement to that of WAVELENGTH, is quite misleading. The frenetic quality of BaF's camera movement is totally different from the staid zooming of WAVELENGTH, and thus creates perceptual effects that are distinct from the earlier film. And whether the camera position only moves once is beside the point - that may be the case (though I'm not convinced that the actual position of the camera changes only once in BaF), but certainly the extent to which a film might cause perceptual disorientation or physical effects like dizziness isn't solely a matter of camera position. There is no camera position at all in THE FLICKER, but that film surely causes those sorts of effects. BaF was indeed discussed in terms of its disorienting effects on perception at the time of its release - see Manny Farber's ARTFORUM review from 1970, or Peter Gidal's discussion of the film in STRUCTURAL FILM ANTHOLOGY. At the very least, there is general agreement that, at its most accelerated, the panning interferes with the viewer's ability to perceive depth in the image, and to discern the individual bodies and objects in the frame. This might not be dizziness, but it seems perfectly accurate to call it disorientation. Jonathan On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Peter Mudie peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au wrote: Geez, Mike Snow's Back and Forth has nothing to do with 'dizziness' or 'disorientation'. There is a room, four windows, a door and some people doing things – the camera position only moves once (just after the beginning). In terms of phenomena it is remarkably 'static'. Ask yourself, is Wavelength 'about' 'horizontal vertigo'? Yikes. If you're in Wien then check out Kurt's material with Günter Brus and Otto's films. Peter Michael Snow's Back and Forth would be the best example I can think of off the top of my head. On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Dear frameworkers, We are currently conceiving a research project, including film screenings, on the phenomenon of Dizziness/Disorientation seen as a resource for thought and artistic practice. Could you please recommend theory writings or artists' films and videos? Thank you! Ruth + Leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ++43 699 10984551 Schüttelstr. 21/14 1020 Vienna cont...@anderwald-grond.at http://www.anderwald-grond.at follow on twitter @anderwaldgrond http://www.hasenherz.at ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Jonathan Walley Associate Professor Department of Cinema Denison University wall...@denison.edu ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
I agree with Jonathan, Back and Forth is anything but static, it's a ping pong game that gets seriously out of hand. There are dizzying qualities to Central Region, too. Isn't it the dynamic contrast between the heights of busyness (rhymes with dizziness) and the relative repose of the calmer sections that leads to dizziness? The viewer is comfortable looking at something, then the accelerated and/or increasingly eccentric movement takes away that level of comfort. You see depth in the image, then the depth is erased; with that change comes disorientation. Peter Rose climbs the Golden Gate Bridge in The Man Who Could Not See Far Enough, that might get some people dizzy. The various Nervous System works by Ken Jacobs can get rather dizzying, in my experience. In years past, when necessary, I voiced a warning before a few screenings that flicker films can be dangerous to some epileptics. More recently I have introduced a few screenings by saying, Although nothing tonight should be dangerous to epileptics, uptight people might find that they get a little dizzy. - Tom Durham Cinematheque -Original Message- From: FrameWorks [mailto:frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] On Behalf Of Jonathan Walley Sent: Tuesday, April 02, 2013 8:46 AM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation I don't think it's a reach at all to say that BaF can induce dizziness or disorientation; calling the film static, and implicitly likening its camera movement to that of WAVELENGTH, is quite misleading. The frenetic quality of BaF's camera movement is totally different from the staid zooming of WAVELENGTH, and thus creates perceptual effects that are distinct from the earlier film. And whether the camera position only moves once is beside the point - that may be the case (though I'm not convinced that the actual position of the camera changes only once in BaF), but certainly the extent to which a film might cause perceptual disorientation or physical effects like dizziness isn't solely a matter of camera position. There is no camera position at all in THE FLICKER, but that film surely causes those sorts of effects. BaF was indeed discussed in terms of its disorienting effects on perception at the time of its release - see Manny Farber's ARTFORUM review from 1970, or Peter Gidal's discussion of the film in STRUCTURAL FILM ANTHOLOGY. At the very least, there is general agreement that, at its most accelerated, the panning interferes with the viewer's ability to perceive depth in the image, and to discern the individual bodies and objects in the frame. This might not be dizziness, but it seems perfectly accurate to call it disorientation. Jonathan On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 10:05 PM, Peter Mudie peter.mu...@uwa.edu.au wrote: Geez, Mike Snow's Back and Forth has nothing to do with 'dizziness' or 'disorientation'. There is a room, four windows, a door and some people doing things – the camera position only moves once (just after the beginning). In terms of phenomena it is remarkably 'static'. Ask yourself, is Wavelength 'about' 'horizontal vertigo'? Yikes. If you're in Wien then check out Kurt's material with Günter Brus and Otto's films. Peter Michael Snow's Back and Forth would be the best example I can think of off the top of my head. On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Dear frameworkers, We are currently conceiving a research project, including film screenings, on the phenomenon of Dizziness/Disorientation seen as a resource for thought and artistic practice. Could you please recommend theory writings or artists' films and videos? Thank you! Ruth + Leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ++43 699 10984551 Schüttelstr. 21/14 1020 Vienna cont...@anderwald-grond.at http://www.anderwald-grond.at follow on twitter @anderwaldgrond http://www.hasenherz.at ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Jonathan Walley Associate Professor Department of Cinema Denison University wall...@denison.edu ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
Michael Snow's Back and Forth would be the best example I can think of off the top of my head. On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Dear frameworkers, We are currently conceiving a research project, including film screenings, on the phenomenon of Dizziness/Disorientation seen as a resource for thought and artistic practice. Could you please recommend theory writings or artists' films and videos? Thank you! Ruth + Leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ++43 699 10984551 Schüttelstr. 21/14 1020 Vienna cont...@anderwald-grond.at http://www.anderwald-grond.at follow on twitter @anderwaldgrond https://twitter.com/anderwaldgrond http://www.hasenherz.at ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
Yes, that's a doozy. Flicker by Tony Conrad would also be on the list. Anthology just showed Back and Forth a week or two ago. Did anybody last? -Original Message- From: Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:37 am Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation Michael Snow's Back and Forth would be the best example I can think of off the top of my head. On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Dear frameworkers, We are currently conceiving a research project, including film screenings, on the phenomenon of Dizziness/Disorientation seen as a resource for thought and artistic practice. Could you please recommend theory writings or artists' films and videos? Thank you! Ruth + Leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ++43 699 10984551 Schüttelstr. 21/14 1020 Vienna cont...@anderwald-grond.at http://www.anderwald-grond.at follow on twitter @anderwaldgrond http://www.hasenherz.at ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
Gamelan, by Claudio Caldini. http://lightcone.org/en/film-5384-gamelan http://antennaecollection.com/Experimental.html (Also have his contact info, if interested in showing the original Super 8 print.) Best wishes,pablo. --- On Mon, 4/1/13, carli...@aol.com carli...@aol.com wrote: From: carli...@aol.com carli...@aol.com Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation To: frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Date: Monday, April 1, 2013, 10:52 AM Yes, that's a doozy. Flicker by Tony Conrad would also be on the list. Anthology just showed Back and Forth a week or two ago. Did anybody last? -Original Message- From: Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.com To: Experimental Film Discussion List frameworks@jonasmekasfilms.com Sent: Mon, Apr 1, 2013 6:37 am Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation Michael Snow's Back and Forth would be the best example I can think of off the top of my head. On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Dear frameworkers, We are currently conceiving a research project, including film screenings, on the phenomenon of Dizziness/Disorientation seen as a resource for thought and artistic practice. Could you please recommend theory writings or artists' films and videos? Thank you! Ruth + Leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ++43 699 10984551 Schüttelstr. 21/14 1020 Vienna cont...@anderwald-grond.at http://www.anderwald-grond.at follow on twitter @anderwaldgrond http://www.hasenherz.at ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
There are wonderful scenes of (LSD-induced) disorientation in Tony Gault's Not Too Much Remember. I just watched it again this week. Really a wonderful found footage film that I hope will stay on people's radar screens. From: FrameWorks [frameworks-boun...@jonasmekasfilms.com] on behalf of David Tetzlaff [djte...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, April 01, 2013 3:03 PM To: Experimental Film Discussion List Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation Anticipation of the Night, Stan Brakhage. Also his Desistfilm, and probably several others... ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] Dizziness and Disorientation
Geez, Mike Snow's Back and Forth has nothing to do with 'dizziness' or 'disorientation'. There is a room, four windows, a door and some people doing things – the camera position only moves once (just after the beginning). In terms of phenomena it is remarkably 'static'. Ask yourself, is Wavelength 'about' 'horizontal vertigo'? Yikes. If you're in Wien then check out Kurt's material with Günter Brus and Otto's films. Peter Michael Snow's Back and Forth would be the best example I can think of off the top of my head. On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 7:01 AM, Anderwald + Grond cont...@anderwald-grond.atmailto:cont...@anderwald-grond.at wrote: Dear frameworkers, We are currently conceiving a research project, including film screenings, on the phenomenon of Dizziness/Disorientation seen as a resource for thought and artistic practice. Could you please recommend theory writings or artists' films and videos? Thank you! Ruth + Leo - Ruth Anderwald + Leonhard Grond ++43 699 10984551tel:%2B%2B43%20699%2010984551 Schüttelstr. 21/14 1020 Vienna cont...@anderwald-grond.atmailto:cont...@anderwald-grond.at http://www.anderwald-grond.at follow on twitter @anderwaldgrondhttps://twitter.com/anderwaldgrond http://www.hasenherz.at ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.commailto:FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks -- Patrick Brennan patrick.brennan...@gmail.commailto:patrick.brennan...@gmail.com ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
