Re: [Frameworks] Projecting 16mm in Europe

[Margaret Rorison]

Thanks, Chris. I appreciate the thoroughness. I spoke with a few people and
thought it through and realize it would make the most sense to just borrow
a projector in Berlin. It would save a lot of hassle!

All of this is great to know, however and I appreciate the explanation.

Meg



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> Subject: [Frameworks] Projecting 16mm in Europe
> Thanks all.
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> I've learned a lot and appreciate all your help.
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> Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2015 15:34:55 +0200
> Subject: Re: [Frameworks] Projecting 16mm in Europe
> Hi Meg,
>
> To add on to what Bernd, Diana and Roger have said I would recommend
> renting/buying a projector in Germany if possible. To add on to the other
> responses you need a step up/down converter with a significantly higher
> power rating like this one:
>
>
> http://www.amazon.de/2000W-SPANNUNGSWANDLER-220V-step-down-step-up/dp/B005MNT876/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1445515915&sr=8-2&keywords=2000w+Spannungswandler
>
> This is presuming the Eiki is rated at ~7.5 amps. 110v x 7.5a = ~825W and
> you generally want one rated at 2x or 3x the power consumption since the
> actual draw on the converter is rated lower during longer periods of use.
> 2000W should be fine, but you also have to fly with the projector and
> find/install the belt to compensate for the frequency difference (50hz and
> 60hz).
>
> You might be over the weight and/or size limit (generally 50lbs/23kg and
> 62 linear inches) for most airlines once you get it packed up. Plus
> internal connections and components can shake loose during travel. So the
> converter at €100, the baggage fee at $100-200 plus the belt ($5-30) and
> you could buy an Eiki or Bauer in Germany for about the same or less. There
> are a lot of Bauer P*s (5-8) on german ebay and shipping is generally less
> than it would be in the states for larger items.
>
> It may be a pain to coordinate purchasing/shipping with a foreign ebay
> account, but I think it's easier than getting your Eiki over here and
> working, unless you have a surplus of time/money.
>
> Just my two cents!
>
> Good luck!
> Chris
>
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 17:49, Beebe, Roger W.  wrote:
>
> Meg,
>
> In addition to the proper voltage converter mentioned in Diana and Bernd’s
> posts, if you want your projectors to run at 24 fps, you’ll have to switch
> the belts.  (The issue is the 50Hz vs. 60 Hz, which isn’t addressed by the
> 220V to 110V conversion.)  It’s a pretty easy operation that I did on 4 of
> my projectors when I took them over a few years ago.  Instructions are on
> page 22 of the manual here:
>
>
> http://www.k3camera.com/pdfs/eiki/2008-eiki-slot-load-projector-3580-3575.pdf
>
> Good luck!
> R.
>
> On Oct 21, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Diana Arce  wrote:
>
> Hi Meg,
>
> You will need a voltage convertor and a big one at that - otherwise you
> will destroy your projector - there are several places you can rent Eiki's
> here for not too much money - Eidotech (http://www.eidotech.de/)  is one
> and Labor berlin http://www.laborberlin-film.org/ might be able to help.
>
> I have a few Braun projectors in my possession if brand doesn't matter -
> drop me a line off list at da...@visualosmosis.com
>
> Best Regards,
> Diana
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Re: [Frameworks] Projecting 16mm in Europe

[Chris G]

Hi Meg,

To add on to what Bernd, Diana and Roger have said I would recommend 
renting/buying a projector in Germany if possible. To add on to the other 
responses you need a step up/down converter with a significantly higher power 
rating like this one:

http://www.amazon.de/2000W-SPANNUNGSWANDLER-220V-step-down-step-up/dp/B005MNT876/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1445515915&sr=8-2&keywords=2000w+Spannungswandler

This is presuming the Eiki is rated at ~7.5 amps. 110v x 7.5a = ~825W and you 
generally want one rated at 2x or 3x the power consumption since the actual 
draw on the converter is rated lower during longer periods of use. 2000W should 
be fine, but you also have to fly with the projector and find/install the belt 
to compensate for the frequency difference (50hz and 60hz). 

You might be over the weight and/or size limit (generally 50lbs/23kg and 62 
linear inches) for most airlines once you get it packed up. Plus internal 
connections and components can shake loose during travel. So the converter at 
€100, the baggage fee at $100-200 plus the belt ($5-30) and you could buy an 
Eiki or Bauer in Germany for about the same or less. There are a lot of Bauer 
P*s (5-8) on german ebay and shipping is generally less than it would be in the 
states for larger items.

It may be a pain to coordinate purchasing/shipping with a foreign ebay account, 
but I think it's easier than getting your Eiki over here and working, unless 
you have a surplus of time/money. 

Just my two cents!

Good luck!
Chris



> On Oct 21, 2015, at 17:49, Beebe, Roger W.  wrote:
> 
> Meg,
> 
> In addition to the proper voltage converter mentioned in Diana and Bernd’s 
> posts, if you want your projectors to run at 24 fps, you’ll have to switch 
> the belts.  (The issue is the 50Hz vs. 60 Hz, which isn’t addressed by the 
> 220V to 110V conversion.)  It’s a pretty easy operation that I did on 4 of my 
> projectors when I took them over a few years ago.  Instructions are on page 
> 22 of the manual here:
> 
> http://www.k3camera.com/pdfs/eiki/2008-eiki-slot-load-projector-3580-3575.pdf
> 
> Good luck!
> R.
> 
>> On Oct 21, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Diana Arce  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Meg,
>>  
>> You will need a voltage convertor and a big one at that - otherwise you will 
>> destroy your projector - there are several places you can rent Eiki's here 
>> for not too much money - Eidotech (http://www.eidotech.de/)  is one and 
>> Labor berlin http://www.laborberlin-film.org/ might be able to help.
>> 
>> I have a few Braun projectors in my possession if brand doesn't matter - 
>> drop me a line off list at da...@visualosmosis.com
>> 
>> Best Regards,
>> Diana
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>>> On 21.10.2015, at 17:00, Margaret Rorison  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Dear All, 
>>> 
>>> I am hoping to bring my Eiki slimline slot load 16mm projector (120 AC v) 
>>> with me to Berlin next month but I am not sure what I need in order to use 
>>> it there. 
>>> 
>>> Will I need just an adaptor for my plug or do I also need a voltage 
>>> converter? 
>>> 
>>> I know this is probably a simple problem, but I am not sure what I need to 
>>> bring with me/consider. 
>>> 
>>> many thanks!
>>> Meg
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Re: [Frameworks] Projecting 16mm in Europe

[Beebe, Roger W.]

Meg,

In addition to the proper voltage converter mentioned in Diana and Bernd’s 
posts, if you want your projectors to run at 24 fps, you’ll have to switch the 
belts.  (The issue is the 50Hz vs. 60 Hz, which isn’t addressed by the 220V to 
110V conversion.)  It’s a pretty easy operation that I did on 4 of my 
projectors when I took them over a few years ago.  Instructions are on page 22 
of the manual here:

http://www.k3camera.com/pdfs/eiki/2008-eiki-slot-load-projector-3580-3575.pdf

Good luck!
R.

On Oct 21, 2015, at 11:24 AM, Diana Arce 
mailto:diana.a...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Meg,

You will need a voltage convertor and a big one at that - otherwise you will 
destroy your projector - there are several places you can rent Eiki's here for 
not too much money - Eidotech (http://www.eidotech.de/)  is one and Labor 
berlin http://www.laborberlin-film.org/ might be able to help.

I have a few Braun projectors in my possession if brand doesn't matter - drop 
me a line off list at da...@visualosmosis.com

Best Regards,
Diana

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On 21.10.2015, at 17:00, Margaret Rorison 
mailto:margaret.b.rori...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Dear All,

I am hoping to bring my Eiki slimline slot load 16mm projector (120 AC v) with 
me to Berlin next month but I am not sure what I need in order to use it there.

Will I need just an adaptor for my plug or do I also need a voltage converter?

I know this is probably a simple problem, but I am not sure what I need to 
bring with me/consider.

many thanks!
Meg

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Re: [Frameworks] Projecting 16mm in Europe

[Diana Arce]

Hi Meg,
 
You will need a voltage convertor and a big one at that - otherwise you will 
destroy your projector - there are several places you can rent Eiki's here for 
not too much money - Eidotech (http://www.eidotech.de/)  is one and Labor 
berlin http://www.laborberlin-film.org/ might be able to help.

I have a few Braun projectors in my possession if brand doesn't matter - drop 
me a line off list at da...@visualosmosis.com

Best Regards,
Diana

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On 21.10.2015, at 17:00, Margaret Rorison  wrote:

> Dear All, 
> 
> I am hoping to bring my Eiki slimline slot load 16mm projector (120 AC v) 
> with me to Berlin next month but I am not sure what I need in order to use it 
> there. 
> 
> Will I need just an adaptor for my plug or do I also need a voltage 
> converter? 
> 
> I know this is probably a simple problem, but I am not sure what I need to 
> bring with me/consider. 
> 
> many thanks!
> Meg

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Re: [Frameworks] Projecting 16mm in Europe

[Bernd Luetzeler]

Hi Margaret,
you will need a „Spannungswandler", and you can get them here.

Something like these here:
http://www.amazon.de/500-Watt-Spannungswandler-220V-120V/dp/B000L9C1NY/ref=pd_sim_147_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=0RKDEATS60M0WZSKT4WC&dpID=41rkUVZIY%2BL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_

http://www.amazon.de/300W-Spannungswandler-220V-110V-stepdown-Schwarz/dp/B005WQZ7O6/ref=pd_sim_147_1?ie=UTF8&refRID=115EGMCA4M986J7TXFBR&dpID=41huFYBIWTL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_

But I have no idea which one is the right one. Write down your projector specs 
and ask at Conrad Electronic at Hermanplatz…
http://www.conrad.de/ce/de/ChainstoreInfo.html?detail&chainstorecode=CS_DE_B_Kreuzberg

good luck!
Bernd





> Am 21.10.2015 um 17:00 schrieb Margaret Rorison 
> :
> 
> Dear All, 
> 
> I am hoping to bring my Eiki slimline slot load 16mm projector (120 AC v) 
> with me to Berlin next month but I am not sure what I need in order to use it 
> there. 
> 
> Will I need just an adaptor for my plug or do I also need a voltage 
> converter? 
> 
> I know this is probably a simple problem, but I am not sure what I need to 
> bring with me/consider. 
> 
> many thanks!
> Meg
> 
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