Re: [Frameworks] Web page or Vimeo

2015-12-09 Thread cbifilms
I have one mainly so I can have one place where I can concentrate all relevant 
information for prospective employers or clients.  I can direct all inquiries 
to one site. I can then link all my youtube and vimeo ‎ videos to it and I 
don't have to search whenever someone wants a link..i can just send them to my 
website.  It is a promotional tool that I can keep up to date easily, and then 
send a link out anytime and anywhere if I am on the road or away from easy 
computer access. 

Christopher

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From: Robert Withers
Sent: Tuesday, December 8, 2015 13:20
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Subject: [Frameworks] Web page or Vimeo

Hello Frameworkers,
A second attempt to post this . . . 
I have a web site that requires me to keep the provider paid up and work to 
update and maintain it. Mostly I use it to feature some films.
I also have a vimeo page that is very easy to upload films to and edit. It 
doesn't cost me anything and may last longer than me. 
Is there any reason for a filmmaker to have a dedicated web page except perhaps 
to sell things?
Thanks for any thoughts on this . . .
Cheers,
Robert


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Re: [Frameworks] Web page or Vimeo

2015-12-09 Thread Ken Paul Rosenthal
I firmly believe that positioning and selling one's films should entail 
multiple contexts, rather than one or the other. The possibilities are numerous 
thanks to social media options that appear to blossom by the month. Over the 
past five years, I've sold over 4,000 DVDs of my Mad Dance Mental Health 
Trilogy both in person during my screening presentations and through the 
purchase page on a dedicated website. Web page vs Vimeo as point of purchase is 
interesting to consider insofar as what kind of presence one wishes to create 
on the net and who one's audience is. My sites have shape-shifted over the last 
13 years to accommodate where I was artistically and what it was (my work 
and/or DVD sales) that I wanted to promote and/or reflect. For example, when I 
was applying for tenure track teaching positions, my primary site was more 
about presenting myself as an artist who works in the medium of film with some 
critical thinking skills. Prior to my mental health trilogy, I never made work 
that was capable of selling as the works were very short, personal 
explorations. Once I endeavored making more socially and politically themed 
work that was of interest to a particular audience, I crafted a dedicated site 
for related information and purchase options. But it was important to me that 
that site also be a work of art unto itself, not just a business platform. All 
my websites, Facebook and Vimeo platforms are interlinked, so they ideally feed 
off one another seamlessly. I try and make the user interface intuitive, and 
configured so that a visitor to any platform who is interested in making a 
purchase will always be pointed towards the same purchase page. I know this is 
a longer answer than may have been sought, but I just wanted to make the point 
that we should put as much creative effort and focus into our business model as 
we do to our works of art. After 5 years of selling the trilogy, it still blows 
my mind that any of this works at all! For example, in just the past 3 months, 
I've sold DVDs to folks in: India, the UK, the Netherlands, Australia, Canada, 
Israel, Switzerland, France, and of course all over the US. And I've done zero 
outreach in that time. It's all because I have a solid web presence with a 
dedicated purchase page. Of course, how to attract buyers to that page is 
another discussion altogether. One last note: Crooked Beauty, the first film in 
my trilogy was completed 5 years ago and sales have dipped significantly over 
the last 2 years. So I recently decided to make it available for free on Vimeo 
in the spirit of offering its message of healing and hope to those in need, 
even though the filmmaker in me cringes at the viewing quality in the context 
of a tiny computer screen. In the description beneath the viewing window, I 
explained that the resolution was not as optimal as screening it on a DVD, and 
that the user options (private vs academic, etc were limited). So putting it on 
Vimeo serves as a sort of preview and since doing so, DVD sales have surged. I 
considered putting the entire film on the dedicated website where viewers would 
have immediate access to critical reviews, essays, interviews, etc. But decided 
I wanted first time visitors to the website to purchase the DVD based on the 
trailers, endorsement, and background information, and not forego a purchase 
because one of the films was available for free in its entirety. In closing, I 
consider Vimeo a low grade screening room were the user is more of a 'visitor' 
than a 'viewer'. And that they will be redirected to a dedicated project site 
presents a broader artistic profile for you and a theme-driven context for 
selling DVDs and streaming options.

Good luck! Ken
www.kenpaulrosenthal.com
www.whisperrapture.com
www.maddancementalhealthfilmtrilogy.com
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Re: [Frameworks] Web page or Vimeo

2015-12-08 Thread Marco Poloni
Hello Robert,

My two cents…

I have a website and never sold a single work through it. I believe
that's not how it works. Sales of films, in my experience, happen
through a relationship of trust, which is based on your pedigree and
through which line of interpersonal mediations your work comes into
the radar of a potential buyer.
If you are selling normally priced DVDs, where there is no idea of a
limited number of prints or exhibition copies, it's another story of
course.

Instead, a website would allow you to contextualize your films in a
much better way than Vimeo, through thought-thru design, well edited
text, etc.

That being said, I think it's a widely accepted practice to show
artist films on Vimeo.

best,
Marco

On 8 December 2015 at 18:19, Robert Withers  wrote:
> Hello Frameworkers,
> A second attempt to post this . . .
> I have a web site that requires me to keep the provider paid up and work to 
> update and maintain it. Mostly I use it to feature some films.
> I also have a vimeo page that is very easy to upload films to and edit. It 
> doesn't cost me anything and may last longer than me.
> Is there any reason for a filmmaker to have a dedicated web page except 
> perhaps to sell things?
> Thanks for any thoughts on this . . .
> Cheers,
> Robert
>
>
> withe...@earthlink.net
>
> WithersWorks.com
> https://vimeo.com/robertwithers
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