Re: [Frameworks] projector-less film loops
A good place to look would be the recent book Exhibiting Cinema in Contemporary Art by Erika Balsom. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 6:20 PM, Mary Stark wrote: > Hi Rebecca, > > I have been working with 16mm film as installation using loops, fresnel > lenses and film as a sculptural material. If you are interested please look > at my website and blog > http://www.marystark.co.uk/ > http://interwovenpractices.co.uk/ > > Best wishes, > > Mary Stark > > Tel: 07828450979 > > > On 17 Dec 2013, at 20:27, Jonathan Walley wrote: > > > Rebecca, et. al., > > > > After re-reading your post, and reading Scott's response, it strikes me > that you may have been looking for information about early (e.g. silent, > "primitive?") film systems that involved viewing 16mm film without lens or > projector. Your use of the term "installation" made me assume expanded > cinema, film installation, etc., but then there's your reference to the > zoetrope, which suggests that you're looking for something further back in > history. Of course, the zoetrope did not use film of any kind. What's more, > 16mm film wasn't invented until 1923, by which time projection - with > lenses - was, of course, standard practice in film exhibition. I'm not > aware of any viewing systems for 16mm that don't employ at least lenses: > flatbed editors don't quite "project" the images, at least not in the same > way a projector does, and devices like Moviolas and Moviscopes don't > involve projection - the film image is simply magnified into a viewer, not > unlike the Kinetsoscope. But these systems are used to edit film reels, not > to show loops. And they all use lenses. > > > > Specifying your research project would be helpful - can we have a little > more detail? > > Jonathan > > > > Dr. Jonathan Walley > > Associate Professor > > Department of Cinema > > Denison University > > wall...@denison.edu > > > > > > On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > > > >> Well, the first loop system was the Edison Kinetoscope but that was > 35mm.. > >> --scott > >> ___ > >> FrameWorks mailing list > >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > > > ___ > > FrameWorks mailing list > > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] projector-less film loops
Hi Rebecca, I have been working with 16mm film as installation using loops, fresnel lenses and film as a sculptural material. If you are interested please look at my website and blog http://www.marystark.co.uk/ http://interwovenpractices.co.uk/ Best wishes, Mary Stark Tel: 07828450979 On 17 Dec 2013, at 20:27, Jonathan Walley wrote: > Rebecca, et. al., > > After re-reading your post, and reading Scott's response, it strikes me that > you may have been looking for information about early (e.g. silent, > "primitive?") film systems that involved viewing 16mm film without lens or > projector. Your use of the term "installation" made me assume expanded > cinema, film installation, etc., but then there's your reference to the > zoetrope, which suggests that you're looking for something further back in > history. Of course, the zoetrope did not use film of any kind. What's more, > 16mm film wasn't invented until 1923, by which time projection - with lenses > - was, of course, standard practice in film exhibition. I'm not aware of any > viewing systems for 16mm that don't employ at least lenses: flatbed editors > don't quite "project" the images, at least not in the same way a projector > does, and devices like Moviolas and Moviscopes don't involve projection - the > film image is simply magnified into a viewer, not unlike the Kinetsoscope. > But these systems are used to edit film reels, not to show loops. And they > all use lenses. > > Specifying your research project would be helpful - can we have a little more > detail? > Jonathan > > Dr. Jonathan Walley > Associate Professor > Department of Cinema > Denison University > wall...@denison.edu > > > On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > >> Well, the first loop system was the Edison Kinetoscope but that was 35mm.. >> --scott >> ___ >> FrameWorks mailing list >> FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com >> https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] projector-less film loops
Rebecca, et. al., After re-reading your post, and reading Scott's response, it strikes me that you may have been looking for information about early (e.g. silent, "primitive?") film systems that involved viewing 16mm film without lens or projector. Your use of the term "installation" made me assume expanded cinema, film installation, etc., but then there's your reference to the zoetrope, which suggests that you're looking for something further back in history. Of course, the zoetrope did not use film of any kind. What's more, 16mm film wasn't invented until 1923, by which time projection - with lenses - was, of course, standard practice in film exhibition. I'm not aware of any viewing systems for 16mm that don't employ at least lenses: flatbed editors don't quite "project" the images, at least not in the same way a projector does, and devices like Moviolas and Moviscopes don't involve projection - the film image is simply magnified into a viewer, not unlike the Kinetsoscope. But these systems are used to edit film reels, not to show loops. And they all use lenses. Specifying your research project would be helpful - can we have a little more detail? Jonathan Dr. Jonathan Walley Associate Professor Department of Cinema Denison University wall...@denison.edu On Dec 17, 2013, at 12:44 PM, Scott Dorsey wrote: > Well, the first loop system was the Edison Kinetoscope but that was 35mm.. > --scott > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
Re: [Frameworks] projector-less film loops
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Re: [Frameworks] projector-less film loops
Rebecca, Writings by and about Paul Sharits would be a good place to start. Sharits' installations included the presentation of 16mm filmstrips without projection, but also used a lot of looping on multiple 16mm projectors. There is an entire issue of Film Culture dedicated to his work; many of his own writings are available online - a little Googling should turn them up. I also highly recommend Federico Windhausen's writing on Sharits. Ron Green wrote a piece on the loop for a recent issue of Millennium Film Journal. "The Re-Emergence of the Film/video Loop," it's called, in issue 55, I think. "Darkened Rooms: A Genealogy of Avant-Garde Filmstrips from Man Ray to the London Film-Makers’ Co-op and Back Again" by Noam Elcott is also good reading. It's in Grey Room #30. Sandra Gibson and Luis Recoder's work makes use of the loop, and in some cases makes film loops visible without projection, as objects in and of themselves. Again, a web search should turn up abundant info on their work. Hope this helps - lots more out there but this is off the top of my head and now I've got to get back to grading. Best, Jonathan Dr. Jonathan Walley Associate Professor Department of Cinema Denison University wall...@denison.edu On Dec 17, 2013, at 11:47 AM, Rebekka Erin Moran wrote: > Hi, > > I am researching 16mm in the use of film loop installations. Does anyone > have any references for that topic? > Other than zoetrope- Im looking for usage of 16mm film itself in a looping > format viewed in any way possible without a projector or lense. > > Thanks for any help! > Rebecca > > ___ > FrameWorks mailing list > FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com > https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks ___ FrameWorks mailing list FrameWorks@jonasmekasfilms.com https://mailman-mail5.webfaction.com/listinfo/frameworks
