Re: Debugging hard hang on NT4
Its hosed. The last few messages from me to the group were sent yesterday and just now got through for some reason. I was over-hasty in assuming it got fixed. The private emails we've been having are accurate. c On Thu, 10 Feb 2000, Mayhem & Chaos Coordinator wrote: > So, which of the two following statments is accurate: > > #1: > > I just got the latest updates and the slider does not seem to be > > disappearing anymore (yay!). However, the hanging problem is still > > there, I can easily reproduce it -- I don't think it's going to > > be related to the slider. > > #2: > > Sometimes, if I really play around with it, more than just the slider > > disappears, and it only reappears when something changes (when the actual > > data changes), and I usually have to minimize and restore to get it back > > (simply obscuring it behind another window will not work). > > > > But that's unusual. The thing with the slider disappearing happens 100% > > of the time. > > Is your slider hosed or not? > > > --ruaok Freezerburn! All else is only icing. -- Soul Coughing > > Robert Kaye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://moon.eorbit.net/~robert > > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev
Re: Debugging hard hang on NT4
So, which of the two following statments is accurate: #1: > I just got the latest updates and the slider does not seem to be > disappearing anymore (yay!). However, the hanging problem is still > there, I can easily reproduce it -- I don't think it's going to > be related to the slider. #2: > Sometimes, if I really play around with it, more than just the slider > disappears, and it only reappears when something changes (when the actual > data changes), and I usually have to minimize and restore to get it back > (simply obscuring it behind another window will not work). > > But that's unusual. The thing with the slider disappearing happens 100% > of the time. Is your slider hosed or not? --ruaok Freezerburn! All else is only icing. -- Soul Coughing Robert Kaye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://moon.eorbit.net/~robert ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev
Re: Debugging hard hang on NT4
Graphics Blaster RIVA TNT Creative Driver versions: 4.03.00.2107-02.112, 4.0.0 (whatever that means) BIOS version: 2.04.5G Sometimes, if I really play around with it, more than just the slider disappears, and it only reappears when something changes (when the actual data changes), and I usually have to minimize and restore to get it back (simply obscuring it behind another window will not work). But that's unusual. The thing with the slider disappearing happens 100% of the time. c On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Mark B. Elrod wrote: > your slider disappears too? what video card do you have? > > elrod > > Chad Loder wrote: > > > I am using CVS, last update about 2:00pm EST today. > > > > Seeing as the same hang happens in other situations (e.g., forwarding > > to next track), it might not be related to the sliding code per se. > > > > So you're the slider code guy, eh? :) Why does the slider keep flashing > > visible/invisible in a random way? > > > > I will update and try to reproduce. > > > > P.S. - Why does cvs update freak out but cvs co freeamp works fine: > > > > D:\apps>\apps\cvs\cvs update freeamp > > cvs update: in directory .: > > cvs [update aborted]: *PANIC* administration files missing > > > > c > > > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Mayhem & Chaos Coordinator wrote: > > > > > I've just improved the slider code quite a bit -- what version of the source > > > are you using? If you are not updating from CVS you should grab the latest > > > snapshot zip file. > > > > > > > > > --ruaok Freezerburn! All else is only icing. -- Soul Coughing > > > > > > Robert Kaye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://moon.eorbit.net/~robert > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Chad Loder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:20 PM > > > Subject: Debugging hard hang on NT4 > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to flood the group like this, but these issues have been building > > > > up in my head, and I figured it would be good to have them all in > > > > separate threads because they are unrelated. > > > > > > > > Occasionally FreeAmp will hang when I'm playing around with the GUI > > > > (intense fiddling with the seeker or the track advance buttons can > > > > cause the hang about 90% of the time). When it hangs, the only thing that > > > > seems to still work in the GUI is the mouseover color changes on the > > > > buttons. > > > > > > > > When I am attached to the process via the debugger, and Freeamp hangs, > > > > it hangs so hard that choosing "Debug | Break" causes the debugger to > > > > hang. Similarly, trying to kill the process via the Task Manager > > > > causes the Task Manager itself to hang. This behavior is transitive, > > > > meaning that if I bring up another task manager and try to kill the > > > > debugger or first task manager, the *new* task manager hangs too! This > > > > also happens with kill.exe (from the MKS Toolkit) and listdlls.exe > > > > (from www.sysinternals.com). > > > > > > > > I haven't tried SoftIce yet, I've usually found it to be a little more > > > > stable. > > > > > > > > I am assuming that this is not a normal deadlock (never had a problem > > > > doing a debug break on those) or infinite loop (CPU is at 0%). I assume > > > > it's in a low-level component (driver-level), possibly this portio.sys > > > > thing? > > > > > > > > I am using a dual CPU machine, which might explain why nobody else is > > > > complaining about this (maybe the driver can't handle the increased > > > > concurrency). I did see one bug in the database regarding a hang, but > > > > it was supposedly fixed and checked in some time ago. > > > > > > > > I am running NT 4 SP5, btw. Has anyone else seen this? Any debugging > > > > tips? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | > > > > | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > > > > | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > > > > > > > > > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | > > | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > > | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| > > > > > > ___ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev
Re: Debugging hard hang on NT4
I just got the latest updates and the slider does not seem to be disappearing anymore (yay!). However, the hanging problem is still there, I can easily reproduce it -- I don't think it's going to be related to the slider. There is one bug with the new slider on my system - as it advances, it leaves behind "slivers" one or two pixels wide (looks like the left edge of the slider does not get erased when it advances). I have 1024x768 @ True Color, Small Fonts. c On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Mark B. Elrod wrote: > your slider disappears too? what video card do you have? > > elrod > > Chad Loder wrote: > > > I am using CVS, last update about 2:00pm EST today. > > > > Seeing as the same hang happens in other situations (e.g., forwarding > > to next track), it might not be related to the sliding code per se. > > > > So you're the slider code guy, eh? :) Why does the slider keep flashing > > visible/invisible in a random way? > > > > I will update and try to reproduce. > > > > P.S. - Why does cvs update freak out but cvs co freeamp works fine: > > > > D:\apps>\apps\cvs\cvs update freeamp > > cvs update: in directory .: > > cvs [update aborted]: *PANIC* administration files missing > > > > c > > > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Mayhem & Chaos Coordinator wrote: > > > > > I've just improved the slider code quite a bit -- what version of the source > > > are you using? If you are not updating from CVS you should grab the latest > > > snapshot zip file. > > > > > > > > > --ruaok Freezerburn! All else is only icing. -- Soul Coughing > > > > > > Robert Kaye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://moon.eorbit.net/~robert > > > - Original Message - > > > From: Chad Loder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:20 PM > > > Subject: Debugging hard hang on NT4 > > > > > > > > > > Sorry to flood the group like this, but these issues have been building > > > > up in my head, and I figured it would be good to have them all in > > > > separate threads because they are unrelated. > > > > > > > > Occasionally FreeAmp will hang when I'm playing around with the GUI > > > > (intense fiddling with the seeker or the track advance buttons can > > > > cause the hang about 90% of the time). When it hangs, the only thing that > > > > seems to still work in the GUI is the mouseover color changes on the > > > > buttons. > > > > > > > > When I am attached to the process via the debugger, and Freeamp hangs, > > > > it hangs so hard that choosing "Debug | Break" causes the debugger to > > > > hang. Similarly, trying to kill the process via the Task Manager > > > > causes the Task Manager itself to hang. This behavior is transitive, > > > > meaning that if I bring up another task manager and try to kill the > > > > debugger or first task manager, the *new* task manager hangs too! This > > > > also happens with kill.exe (from the MKS Toolkit) and listdlls.exe > > > > (from www.sysinternals.com). > > > > > > > > I haven't tried SoftIce yet, I've usually found it to be a little more > > > > stable. > > > > > > > > I am assuming that this is not a normal deadlock (never had a problem > > > > doing a debug break on those) or infinite loop (CPU is at 0%). I assume > > > > it's in a low-level component (driver-level), possibly this portio.sys > > > > thing? > > > > > > > > I am using a dual CPU machine, which might explain why nobody else is > > > > complaining about this (maybe the driver can't handle the increased > > > > concurrency). I did see one bug in the database regarding a hang, but > > > > it was supposedly fixed and checked in some time ago. > > > > > > > > I am running NT 4 SP5, btw. Has anyone else seen this? Any debugging > > > > tips? > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | > > > > | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > > > > | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > > > > > > > > > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | > > | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > > | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| > > > > > > ___ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > --
Re: Debugging hard hang on NT4
your slider disappears too? what video card do you have? elrod Chad Loder wrote: > I am using CVS, last update about 2:00pm EST today. > > Seeing as the same hang happens in other situations (e.g., forwarding > to next track), it might not be related to the sliding code per se. > > So you're the slider code guy, eh? :) Why does the slider keep flashing > visible/invisible in a random way? > > I will update and try to reproduce. > > P.S. - Why does cvs update freak out but cvs co freeamp works fine: > > D:\apps>\apps\cvs\cvs update freeamp > cvs update: in directory .: > cvs [update aborted]: *PANIC* administration files missing > > c > > On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Mayhem & Chaos Coordinator wrote: > > > I've just improved the slider code quite a bit -- what version of the source > > are you using? If you are not updating from CVS you should grab the latest > > snapshot zip file. > > > > > > --ruaok Freezerburn! All else is only icing. -- Soul Coughing > > > > Robert Kaye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://moon.eorbit.net/~robert > > - Original Message - > > From: Chad Loder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:20 PM > > Subject: Debugging hard hang on NT4 > > > > > > > Sorry to flood the group like this, but these issues have been building > > > up in my head, and I figured it would be good to have them all in > > > separate threads because they are unrelated. > > > > > > Occasionally FreeAmp will hang when I'm playing around with the GUI > > > (intense fiddling with the seeker or the track advance buttons can > > > cause the hang about 90% of the time). When it hangs, the only thing that > > > seems to still work in the GUI is the mouseover color changes on the > > > buttons. > > > > > > When I am attached to the process via the debugger, and Freeamp hangs, > > > it hangs so hard that choosing "Debug | Break" causes the debugger to > > > hang. Similarly, trying to kill the process via the Task Manager > > > causes the Task Manager itself to hang. This behavior is transitive, > > > meaning that if I bring up another task manager and try to kill the > > > debugger or first task manager, the *new* task manager hangs too! This > > > also happens with kill.exe (from the MKS Toolkit) and listdlls.exe > > > (from www.sysinternals.com). > > > > > > I haven't tried SoftIce yet, I've usually found it to be a little more > > > stable. > > > > > > I am assuming that this is not a normal deadlock (never had a problem > > > doing a debug break on those) or infinite loop (CPU is at 0%). I assume > > > it's in a low-level component (driver-level), possibly this portio.sys > > > thing? > > > > > > I am using a dual CPU machine, which might explain why nobody else is > > > complaining about this (maybe the driver can't handle the increased > > > concurrency). I did see one bug in the database regarding a hang, but > > > it was supposedly fixed and checked in some time ago. > > > > > > I am running NT 4 SP5, btw. Has anyone else seen this? Any debugging > > > tips? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > > > > > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | > > > | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > > > | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > > > > > > > > > ___ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > > > > > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | > | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| > > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev
Re: Debugging hard hang on NT4
I am using CVS, last update about 2:00pm EST today. Seeing as the same hang happens in other situations (e.g., forwarding to next track), it might not be related to the sliding code per se. So you're the slider code guy, eh? :) Why does the slider keep flashing visible/invisible in a random way? I will update and try to reproduce. P.S. - Why does cvs update freak out but cvs co freeamp works fine: D:\apps>\apps\cvs\cvs update freeamp cvs update: in directory .: cvs [update aborted]: *PANIC* administration files missing c On Wed, 9 Feb 2000, Mayhem & Chaos Coordinator wrote: > I've just improved the slider code quite a bit -- what version of the source > are you using? If you are not updating from CVS you should grab the latest > snapshot zip file. > > > --ruaok Freezerburn! All else is only icing. -- Soul Coughing > > Robert Kaye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://moon.eorbit.net/~robert > - Original Message - > From: Chad Loder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:20 PM > Subject: Debugging hard hang on NT4 > > > > Sorry to flood the group like this, but these issues have been building > > up in my head, and I figured it would be good to have them all in > > separate threads because they are unrelated. > > > > Occasionally FreeAmp will hang when I'm playing around with the GUI > > (intense fiddling with the seeker or the track advance buttons can > > cause the hang about 90% of the time). When it hangs, the only thing that > > seems to still work in the GUI is the mouseover color changes on the > > buttons. > > > > When I am attached to the process via the debugger, and Freeamp hangs, > > it hangs so hard that choosing "Debug | Break" causes the debugger to > > hang. Similarly, trying to kill the process via the Task Manager > > causes the Task Manager itself to hang. This behavior is transitive, > > meaning that if I bring up another task manager and try to kill the > > debugger or first task manager, the *new* task manager hangs too! This > > also happens with kill.exe (from the MKS Toolkit) and listdlls.exe > > (from www.sysinternals.com). > > > > I haven't tried SoftIce yet, I've usually found it to be a little more > > stable. > > > > I am assuming that this is not a normal deadlock (never had a problem > > doing a debug break on those) or infinite loop (CPU is at 0%). I assume > > it's in a low-level component (driver-level), possibly this portio.sys > > thing? > > > > I am using a dual CPU machine, which might explain why nobody else is > > complaining about this (maybe the driver can't handle the increased > > concurrency). I did see one bug in the database regarding a hang, but > > it was supposedly fixed and checked in some time ago. > > > > I am running NT 4 SP5, btw. Has anyone else seen this? Any debugging > > tips? > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | > > | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > > | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| > > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > > > > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev
Re: Debugging hard hang on NT4
this is a driver hang but not from portio.sys... it is most certainly caused by something not being kosher in the soundcard driver. as rob said, check out the latest stuff he has checked in. elrod Chad Loder wrote: > Sorry to flood the group like this, but these issues have been building > up in my head, and I figured it would be good to have them all in > separate threads because they are unrelated. > > Occasionally FreeAmp will hang when I'm playing around with the GUI > (intense fiddling with the seeker or the track advance buttons can > cause the hang about 90% of the time). When it hangs, the only thing that > seems to still work in the GUI is the mouseover color changes on the > buttons. > > When I am attached to the process via the debugger, and Freeamp hangs, > it hangs so hard that choosing "Debug | Break" causes the debugger to > hang. Similarly, trying to kill the process via the Task Manager > causes the Task Manager itself to hang. This behavior is transitive, > meaning that if I bring up another task manager and try to kill the > debugger or first task manager, the *new* task manager hangs too! This > also happens with kill.exe (from the MKS Toolkit) and listdlls.exe > (from www.sysinternals.com). > > I haven't tried SoftIce yet, I've usually found it to be a little more > stable. > > I am assuming that this is not a normal deadlock (never had a problem > doing a debug break on those) or infinite loop (CPU is at 0%). I assume > it's in a low-level component (driver-level), possibly this portio.sys > thing? > > I am using a dual CPU machine, which might explain why nobody else is > complaining about this (maybe the driver can't handle the increased > concurrency). I did see one bug in the database regarding a hang, but > it was supposedly fixed and checked in some time ago. > > I am running NT 4 SP5, btw. Has anyone else seen this? Any debugging > tips? > > Thanks, > > > > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | > | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| > > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev
Re: Debugging hard hang on NT4
I've just improved the slider code quite a bit -- what version of the source are you using? If you are not updating from CVS you should grab the latest snapshot zip file. --ruaok Freezerburn! All else is only icing. -- Soul Coughing Robert Kaye -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://moon.eorbit.net/~robert - Original Message - From: Chad Loder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2000 5:20 PM Subject: Debugging hard hang on NT4 > Sorry to flood the group like this, but these issues have been building > up in my head, and I figured it would be good to have them all in > separate threads because they are unrelated. > > Occasionally FreeAmp will hang when I'm playing around with the GUI > (intense fiddling with the seeker or the track advance buttons can > cause the hang about 90% of the time). When it hangs, the only thing that > seems to still work in the GUI is the mouseover color changes on the > buttons. > > When I am attached to the process via the debugger, and Freeamp hangs, > it hangs so hard that choosing "Debug | Break" causes the debugger to > hang. Similarly, trying to kill the process via the Task Manager > causes the Task Manager itself to hang. This behavior is transitive, > meaning that if I bring up another task manager and try to kill the > debugger or first task manager, the *new* task manager hangs too! This > also happens with kill.exe (from the MKS Toolkit) and listdlls.exe > (from www.sysinternals.com). > > I haven't tried SoftIce yet, I've usually found it to be a little more > stable. > > I am assuming that this is not a normal deadlock (never had a problem > doing a debug break on those) or infinite loop (CPU is at 0%). I assume > it's in a low-level component (driver-level), possibly this portio.sys > thing? > > I am using a dual CPU machine, which might explain why nobody else is > complaining about this (maybe the driver can't handle the increased > concurrency). I did see one bug in the database regarding a hang, but > it was supposedly fixed and checked in some time ago. > > I am running NT 4 SP5, btw. Has anyone else seen this? Any debugging > tips? > > Thanks, > > > > | Chad Loder - Somerville, MA, USA | > | EMail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]| > | Home Page: http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/cloder| > > > > > > ___ > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev > ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.freeamp.org/mailman/listinfo/freeamp-dev
