Of course, the work has to be good enough to be included. But I also
think virtually everyone has some useful skills they can contribute.
I don't see anything particularly off-putting in the CoC that should
make talented developers leave, though. And I don't really see a
connection between
Everything has been said, just not by everybody.
That's why it pays to have good memory (or, a large INBOX): Deb Goodkin
answered these questions already in March, on this list.
https://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-advocacy/2018-March/004721.html
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Hi,
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 11:38:21 -0400
Chad Jacob Milios wrote:
> > On Jul 17, 2018, at 5:23 AM, Erich Dollansky
> > wrote:
> >
> > you mean, the money spent on the CoC would not helped to develop
> > better code by getting people willing to code for the same amount
> > of money.
>
> Now I
My question was a direct response to another comment, which said the new
CoC did not chase away any significant contributors.
Do we want to attract people with no useful skills? I think that,
regardless of whether you are "Vulnerable" or "Oppressor", your work
should have to be good enough to be
Hi,
On Tue, 17 Jul 2018 09:53:19 -0500
CL Moonriver wrote:
> > Was the project going to lose any significant contributors if we
> > didn't protect them from *hugs*?
> The point is, I think it is important that the CoC make new
> contributors feel welcome and that if they want to contribute,
Was the project going to lose any significant contributors if we didn't
protect them from *hugs*?
Probably not, but I don't think that's the right question to ask. I
think the right question to ask is does the current CoC attract new
people who want to contribute, but are perhaps intimidated
Hi,
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 19:44:55 -0400
Chad Jacob Milios wrote:
> > On Jul 13, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Erich Dollansky
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > here are the consequences of putting a CoC up high on the priority
> > list:
> >
> >
Hi,
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 12:10:47 -0400
Stephen Cook wrote:
> Was the project going to lose any significant contributors if we
> didn't protect them from *hugs*?
I would not have expected.
>
> against spurious accusations. It would also be a violation to "dox"
> someone, which the FreeBSD CoC
> On Jul 13, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Erich Dollansky
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> here are the consequences of putting a CoC up high on the priority list:
>
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=windows-freebsd112-8linux=1
>
>
> use less memes? fuck if i know. but i'm not going to rephrase what i said
Trolls swearing etc can alert that a writer may be less likely
linguisticaly articulate, more like a tired, emotional drunk in a
bar. Mail lists behove self control. Some cultures on global lists
particularly
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Julian H. Stacey wrote:
> cc stripped
>
> Randi Harper wrote:
> > with this clusterfuck of babies crying about their rights to be buttheads
>
> Troll bait.
>
> > I am not in any way a part of this project anymore,
>
> But troll.
>
> > fucking ... shit
>
> Not
It's not just that - part of the problem is that Phoronix Test Suite
seems be focused more on producing pretty graphs than obtaining any
meaningful results. It fails at basic statistics - error bars are
nowhere to be found. Even if we assume the differences in numbers
are not just measurement
cc stripped
Randi Harper wrote:
> with this clusterfuck of babies crying about their rights to be buttheads
Troll bait.
> I am not in any way a part of this project anymore,
But troll.
> fucking ... shit
Not persuasive.
> Elections are held every 2 years. See you in 2020.
Not if Randi
Hi,
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018 00:28:38 +
Adam wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:24 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:20 PM Andras Farkas
> > wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh
> > > wrote:
> > > > Such overly-simply CoCs have proven
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:24 AM, Erich Dollansky <
freebsd.ed.li...@sumeritec.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:31:04 -0600
> Warner Losh wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Erich Dollansky <
> > freebsd.ed.li...@sumeritec.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anybody need more:
> >
Hi,
On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 17:31:04 -0600
Warner Losh wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Erich Dollansky <
> freebsd.ed.li...@sumeritec.com> wrote:
> >
> > Does anybody need more:
> >
> > Keep it civil.
> > Be tolerant.
> > Remember that you are in public and that your actions
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, Adam wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:24 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:20 PM Andras Farkas
wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh
wrote:
> > Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past.
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, Adam wrote:
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:24 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:20 PM Andras Farkas
wrote:
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh wrote:
Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past. They were
OK
in
the 90's, but we
On Mon, Jul 16, 2018 at 12:24 AM, Warner Losh wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:20 PM Andras Farkas
> wrote:
>
> > On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh wrote:
> > > Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past. They were
> OK
> > in
> > > the 90's, but we live in a
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018, 6:20 PM Andras Farkas
wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh wrote:
> > Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past. They were OK
> in
> > the 90's, but we live in a different internet world today. These are good
> > guidelines and great
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 7:31 PM Warner Losh wrote:
> Such overly-simply CoCs have proven unworkable in the past. They were OK in
> the 90's, but we live in a different internet world today. These are good
> guidelines and great advice, but make it hard to take action when
> necessary. I wish it
On Mon, 16 Jul 2018, Erich Dollansky wrote:
Hi,
do you think that this will bring back programmers?
No one who was making significant contributions to architectual
performance problems has left or stopped their contributions. We lost a
few ports committers, at least one of which was
Which ones left, exactly?
Warner
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:40 PM, Erich Dollansky <
freebsd.ed.li...@sumeritec.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> do you think that this will bring back programmers?
>
> Erich
>
>
> On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:43:10 -0600
> Warner Losh wrote:
>
> > The plan is to do another
Hi,
do you think that this will bring back programmers?
Erich
On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 12:43:10 -0600
Warner Losh wrote:
> The plan is to do another revision, this time in public. We've
> already done the first round of data collection and have data to
> inform the revisions. Now that core
On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 5:26 PM, Erich Dollansky <
freebsd.ed.li...@sumeritec.com> wrote:
>
> Does anybody need more:
>
> Keep it civil.
> Be tolerant.
> Remember that you are in public and that your actions determine the
> public perception of the project. Do not make it personal.
Hi,
On Sun, 15 Jul 2018 20:21:30 +0200
"Julian H. Stacey" wrote:
> Erich Dollansky wrote:
> > Hi,
> > here are the consequences of putting a CoC up high on the priority
> > list:
> > https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=windows-freebsd112-8linux=1
> >
>
> FreeBSD performance is
The plan is to do another revision, this time in public. We've already done
the first round of data collection and have data to inform the revisions.
Now that core election is done, progress can be made.
Replying point by point to this misleading and slanted assessment is not
wothwhile.
Warner
Erich Dollansky wrote:
> Hi,
> here are the consequences of putting a CoC up high on the priority list:
> https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article=windows-freebsd112-8linux=1
FreeBSD performance is really bad on some comparisons there.
> Focusing on software would have made FreeBSD do
Can you clarify what you mean? Performance benchmarks like that are,
after all, often of limited value when it comes to why one might choose
one OS over another. A lot of other things factor into the decision.
Security, stability, consistency, ease of configuration and
administration, etc.
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