Re: Did someone compare the number of ports with packages in Linux distros?

[Dag-Erling Smørgrav]

Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no writes:
 You can get a meaningful comparison by counting distfiles on our side
 and SRPMs / DSCs on the Linux side.

I asked a coworker who's a Debian developer; he says Debian has ~30k
packages from ~20k distinct sources, which is in the same ballpark as
the ports tree (~24k ports).

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Re: Did someone compare the number of ports with packages in Linux distros?

[Mehmet Erol Sanliturk]

On Mon, Mar 18, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no wrote:

 Dag-Erling Smørgrav d...@des.no writes:
  You can get a meaningful comparison by counting distfiles on our side
  and SRPMs / DSCs on the Linux side.

 I asked a coworker who's a Debian developer; he says Debian has ~30k
 packages from ~20k distinct sources, which is in the same ballpark as
 the ports tree (~24k ports).

 DES
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 Dag-Erling Smørgrav - d...@des.no



For me , actually , important problem is How many packages are supplied
with a distribution .iso ?


This point is important , because when a distribution is installed  ,
whether it will produce a workable / usable environment for a  (i) server ,
or (ii) desktop user .


I am continuously installing many Linux distributions . Approximately they
are supplying 2000 packages per distribution . With respect to selected
features ( Desktop , Development , Education , etc. ) , the installed
packages is varying between 1000 to 2500 .

After completion of installation , it is possible to use the installed
system without making any parameter adjustments . I am using KDE . The only
required adjustments are the following ( for me ) :

From KDE Settings ( when I try Gnome from its menus ) :

Disable screen saver ,
Disable power saving ,
Disable gesture , etc. usage ,
Enable removable media automatic mount

In Dolphin ( File Manager ) :

Enable double click to activate a selection ,
Select view mode as detailed ,
Select displayed  file attributes , etc.

These are the same for FreeBSD also ( except enable of automatic mount of
removable media , selections are ignored ) .


The rest in FreeBSD is a nightmare :

As it is installed :


Install many packages by pkg_add .
When a desktop ( KDE . FluxBox , Gnome ) is started :
Mouse , key board is NOT working , they are solid rock .
To mount removable media : I could not find a way to it .

As a result : Only an unusable installation is generated .

For example : Version 9.1 Release DVD has some packages , but during
install , there is NO any way to install them .

It is necessary to be an Expert to be able to install them .


This structure is driving the FreeBSD in

http://distrowatch.com/

Page Hit Ranking around 500 at the ranking greater than 20 ( means a
small user base with respecto total Linux user base ) .

With this installation structure ( not the installer program / script ) ,
FreeBSD can not be widely adopted , because of like or dislike of it , but
not being able to use it .


Thank you very much .


Mehmet Erol Sanliturk
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Re: Did someone compare the number of ports with packages in Linux distros?

[Dag-Erling Smørgrav]

Chris Benesch chris.bene...@gmail.com writes:
 Lets take gcc for instance.  To install gcc on BSD, you need the gcc
 port and a few support packages, such as readline, gettext, intl,
 etc... but thats it.  On Linux you need gcc, gcc-devel, gcc-headers,
 kernel-headers, gcc-libs, a whole lot more complex.  The difference
 comes from a basic philosophical difference.

Yes and no.  FreeBSD ships headers, static libraries, debugging symbols
etc. as part of base, and as part of each package.  Most Linux
distributions ship these separately and don't install them by default.
However, it's not as complicated as you make it out to be: just run
'apt-get install build-essentials' (Debian, Ubuntu, Mint) or 'yum
groupinstall Development Tools' (RHEL, Fedora, CentOS).

 BSD IMHO seeks to be truly open source, [...]
 Linux seeks to straddle the line of open and closed source.

Neither statement is correct, and the issue is far too complex to be
summarized in two sentences, or even two paragraphs.

 The GPL is overly long and convoluted if anyone bothers to actually
 read it instead of just saying yes.

It's as long as it needs to be to express what its authors wish it to
express.  If you're in a hurry or have a short attention span, just skip
the preamble and stop when you get to the disclaimer of warranty.

 The answer lies in the marketing.  Linux and its rebellious beginnings
 appeal to people better than BSD for some reason, when in actuality it
 was a guy from Scandinavia experimenting with the new 386 processors
 vs. a group that was there when Unix was originally invented.

Neither characterization is correct.

(BTW, I'm a guy from Scandinavia, and so is one of the founders of the
FreeBSD project)

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