Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Unless things have changed a lot, bde counts 50x most people. This isn't a democracy. It may not be a democracy, but it's also not a monarchy. :-) If recent core events have taught us anything at all, it's that nobody in core escapes being accountable to the developers at large and if the

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 6892.917596...@zippy.cdrom.com, Jordan K. Hubbard writes: style(9) is not KNF, and never was intended to be. It's a FreeBSD style guide that bears similarity to KNF because that's what it used as a starting point. I think we can safely presume that Bruce has been overruled on this

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
We spend so much of our time looking up our own collective asses searching for the meaning of life that it is no wonder FreeBSD doesn't feel like it has a clear direction for the future. All people seem to want to do is stomp on others who try to contribute something. I think the amount of

Re: indent(1) and style(9) (was: btokup() macro in sys/malloc.h)

1999-01-29 Thread Peter Jeremy
Matthew Dillon dil...@apollo.backplane.com wrote: :Judicious use of inline functions (and macros) should help move :code to the left - and may even make it more understandable. More then judicious use -- inlines are an incredible advantage. Most people don't realize that GCC will

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
KNF is propogating what I consider to be bad practice, and that annoys me. I'm happy to say that often they should be dropped, but to FORCE the dropping of braces etc. with no regard to readbility is too much. I wasn't aware that KNF or style(9) actually forced anything so much as suggested it

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:55:21 EST, Mikhail Teterin wrote: Everybody's goal is to keep/make code readable (accusations of trying to obfuscate are silly). You, people, are just not agreeing what readable means. Hoping to aid in the ending of this thread(s), Thank you very much. This is

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
not-so-loudly agree. Ask yourself: in the last 6 months, how many things have been shot down and what has survived? From my point of view, not much progress has been achieved. As far as I can see, FreeBSD has reached critical mass and for each new developer coming on board, one drops off or

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/eisa ahb.c

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Given that there is a good potential to introduce bugs, the age old have another committer review it would likely allay many of the fears that have been expressed. In the past that has been the MO for this group. Are you volunteering to review Matt's stuff? It's something I'm sure he'd be

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 7032.917598...@zippy.cdrom.com, Jordan K. Hubbard writes: Many of us refuse to follow style(9), will NEVER follow style(9), and to insist on it for others would be hypocritical at best. Bruce is more of a microcosm and shouldn't be taken as indicative of general trends. :) ... Unless

nuts'n'bolts in vfs_bio

1999-01-29 Thread Bjoern Fischer
Hello, as Matthew said in freebsd-current@ vfs_bio:getblk() still needs work (B_CACHE/B_DELWRI stuff). Running 3.0-stable (Jan 26) it still happens that some NFS writes seem to remain uncommited on the server. Is there a chance to get it into -stable before releasing in mid February? Thanks,

Re: make release - Party Time! (but not for the AXP)

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Unfortunately the AXP is still hosed :( Hmmm. Let me look at this - I may have failed to adjust one of the constants for the AXP case. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/eisa ahb.c

1999-01-29 Thread Matthew Dillon
: Given that there is a good potential to introduce bugs, the age old : have another committer review it would likely allay many of the : fears that have been expressed. In the past that has been the MO for : this group. : :Are you volunteering to review Matt's stuff? It's something I'm sure

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message 88592.917598...@axl.noc.iafrica.com, Sheldon Hearn writes: On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:55:21 EST, Mikhail Teterin wrote: Everybody's goal is to keep/make code readable (accusations of trying to obfuscate are silly). You, people, are just not agreeing what readable means. Hoping to aid

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
... Unless we're talking about modifications to existing files where either style(9) or other systematic styles apply, in which case we should all try to adapt our changes to that style to avoid babelized codelayout. Absolutely. I was talking only about my own code, and code which I modify

Re: cvs commit: src/sys/i386/eisa ahb.c

1999-01-29 Thread Warner Losh
:Are you volunteering to review Matt's stuff? It's something I'm sure :he'd be more than happy to take you up on, Warner! :-) As usual, the :amount of work which various folks would more than love to have :reviewed outstrips the number of people willing to do such review work :in any serious way.

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 09:53:08 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: The parans have the same function as commas in most latin alphabet based languages: to convey structure. I think you've picked the wrong analogy. The rules of the language dictate certain cases in which commas are required.

Re: nuts'n'bolts in vfs_bio

1999-01-29 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Hello, : :as Matthew said in freebsd-current@ vfs_bio:getblk() still :needs work (B_CACHE/B_DELWRI stuff). : :Running 3.0-stable (Jan 26) it still happens that some NFS :writes seem to remain uncommited on the server. : :Is there a chance to get it into -stable before releasing :in mid February?

Re: nuts'n'bolts in vfs_bio

1999-01-29 Thread Matthew Dillon
:Hello, : :as Matthew said in freebsd-current@ vfs_bio:getblk() still :needs work (B_CACHE/B_DELWRI stuff). : :Running 3.0-stable (Jan 26) it still happens that some NFS :writes seem to remain uncommited on the server. : :Is there a chance to get it into -stable before releasing :in mid February?

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Greg Lehey
On Friday, 29 January 1999 at 10:27:00 +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 00:55:21 EST, Mikhail Teterin wrote: Everybody's goal is to keep/make code readable (accusations of trying to obfuscate are silly). You, people, are just not agreeing what readable means. Hoping to aid in

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
The parans have the same function as commas in most latin alphabet based languages: to convey structure. I think you've picked the wrong analogy. The rules of the language dictate certain cases in which commas are required. Extraneous use of commas decreases readability. Wrong, there are 3

Re: make release - Party Time! (but not for the AXP)

1999-01-29 Thread Doug Rabson
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Gary Palmer wrote: John W. DeBoskey wrote in message ID 199901271433.jaa75...@bb01f39.unx.sas.com: A note of thanks to Jordan and everyone else who's been working on the new 4.0 code... We have our first complete processing of cd /usr/src make world cd release

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Marc van Kempen
so far you are the first and only objector.. which makes you outnumbered by 10 to 1 on email counts.. I agree completely, saving a few bytes in the source code is not worth the obfuscation that results, writing correct programs is hard enough as it is, without having to suffer from

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:01:23 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: I can't imagine how unnecessary parens are going to improve readability for anyone who knows his/her operator precedence. What about the others? I'd like to know that people who don't know operator precedence are leaving the kernel

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Doug Rabson
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:01:23 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: I can't imagine how unnecessary parens are going to improve readability for anyone who knows his/her operator precedence. What about the others? I'd like to know that people who

Re: Reading a text file with BTX

1999-01-29 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Robert Nordier wrote: The boot manager menu, for example F1 FreeBSD F2 UNIX F5 Drive 1 Default: F1 Y'know, in my computer that F5 is Drive 0, and the system will not boot unless I select it first. Selecting it, makes the OSes boot and F5 disappear. -- Daniel C.

Re: The future of a.out support?

1999-01-29 Thread David Greenman
It was my understanding that the kernel would continue to support a.out, and I think that's important. If FreeBSD can support SCO, Linux, Solaris, BSDI, NetBSD and OpenBSD, it seems important that it should also contain support for FreeBSD, even old, obsolete versions. May I assume that this is

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Andrew Kenneth Milton
+[ Doug Rabson ]- | On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: | | The reason I'm interested in this (now tiresome) thread is that I'd much | rather have to read | | /* | * Bail out if the time left to next transaction is less than |

Re: JAIL code headed for -current.

1999-01-29 Thread Eivind Eklund
I'm moving this to FreeBSD-arch, due to taking the discussion quite a bit in that direction. On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 11:44:35AM -0800, Sean Eric Fagan wrote: In article 29763.917434096.kithrup.freebsd.curr...@critter.freebsd.dk you write: The biggest impact of this is a new argument to the

Re: The future of a.out support?

1999-01-29 Thread Satoshi Asami
*Yes, a.out execution support will be standard in FreeBSD for at least * several more years. At some point it may become an option, but that's a * long way off. *The only thing people are talking about is support for building the * system binaries in a.out. We're moving to ELF because

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Eivind Eklund
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 12:05:04PM +0200, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:01:23 +1030, Greg Lehey wrote: I can't imagine how unnecessary parens are going to improve readability for anyone who knows his/her operator precedence. What about the others? I'd like to

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread John Baldwin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On 29-Jan-99 Sheldon Hearn wrote: When it comes to code, do you not agree that the trained eye knows which operators to seek to first in an expression? I can't think of an analogy in the English language, since one doesn't seek to commas, one simply reads

Re: PPP (userland) troubles ?

1999-01-29 Thread Brian Somers
Would it be possible to add an exponential delay when connecting fails for either reason? I just received my specified phone-bill. It filled 42 pages, with hundreds of calls with a duration of 17 seconds. (Because my modem needs to be software-reset; I have mentioned this before). Each

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Brian Somers
+[ Julian Elischer ]- | yeah but not a SINGLE person has said to not commit the patch to style(9) | so I'm going to do it later tonight.. | (It doesn't make extra braces MANDATORY but it does ALLOW them.) | | julian | (if this doesn't bring

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Bob Bishop
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Brian Somers wrote: [...] But where do you draw the line in style(9) ? Dunno. Err on the side of redundancy, which cam be mechanically removed if you don't happen to like it. -- Bob Bishop +44 118 977 4017 r...@gid.co.uk fax +44 118 989 4254 To

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Sheldon Hearn wrote: As far as I see it, there are a lot of people who are saying I want to use parens to improve readability when what they really mean is I want to use parens to obviate the need to learn operator precedence. I can't imagine how unnecessary parens are going to

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
Sheldon Hearn wrote: I didn't have a problem reading the sentence, even though you left out required commas. The only thing that caused a problem was your use of split infinitive. ;-) Split infinitive is a urban legend. It has *never* been outlawed in the english language, except for some

Re: Locked at 100% User CPU

1999-01-29 Thread Richard Seaman, Jr.
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 04:10:26PM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: :In libc_r, I don't think the code in uthread_kern.c's :_thread_kern_select() scales at all. : :As the number of network connections (TCP) to my application grows, I :believe this routine takes longer and longer and my CPU goes

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Nate Williams
As for noise, there are situations where excess punctuation is just noise, and there are situations that benefit from more than the bare minumum of decorations. Anyone doing kernel programming ought to know the difference. And that is where we disagree. Style is religion, and one man's

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Nate Williams
Unless things have changed a lot, bde counts 50x most people. This isn't a democracy. It may not be a democracy, but it's also not a monarchy. :-) ... Bruce only gets 50x the vote on occasion by generally being the only one to comment at all. Bruce should get 50X the vote since he's

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Brian Feldman
On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Nate Williams wrote: Some people when confronted by people wanting to have extra braces say change style(9). Well, here is my change.. You can count my vote. I would also add a paragraph like this: If possible code should complile cleanly with

Re: About to commit NTFS driver

1999-01-29 Thread Erwan Arzur
David O'Brien wrote: Driver is readonly, specialy developed for freebsd, supports most of NTFS's features. Source is at http://iclub.nsu.ru/~semen/ntfs/ Sounds like a good idea. Do you have a reviewer? I'm looking at it now for 4.0-C. I'm quite sure it has already been corrected

Re: About to commit NTFS driver

1999-01-29 Thread Ustimenko Semen
On Thu, 28 Jan 1999, Mike Smith wrote: Are there any disagrees with an idea to commit a NTFS driver into current: I can commit/maintain driver mentioned at http://www.freebsd.org/projects/ Driver is readonly, specialy developed for freebsd, supports most of NTFS's features.

Re: panic: soaccept: !NOFDREF

1999-01-29 Thread Bill Fenner
In message 19990129103757.a...@nagual.pp.ruyou write: I saw it several times with very recent -current Is your machine getting a lot of incoming connections? I'd like to try to replicate this. If it's a problem for you you can try reverting rev 1.52 of /sys/kern/uipc_socket.c . Thanks, Bill

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Brian Feldman
I seem to remember there once was a comment in a well-known body of code, which went something like: You are not supposed to understand this. Brian Feldman_ __ ___ ___ ___ gr...@unixhelp.org _ __ ___ | _ ) __| \

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Warner Losh
In message 199901291121.vaa01...@zeus.theinternet.com.au Andrew Kenneth Milton writes: : The only arguments I've seen for less 'punctuation' are : : a) I don't need them : b) I don't like what it looks like with them : c) There might be bugs introduced due to parens. : : Well a and b are crap,

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Warner Losh
In message 199901291530.iaa06...@mt.sri.com Nate Williams writes: : Bruce should get 50X the vote since he's the only one willing to enforce : the rules. Without Bruce the code would become inconsistant. By : over-ruling we are essentially Essentially what? I appreciate the work that bruce has

Re: The future of a.out support?

1999-01-29 Thread Joao Carlos Mendes Luis
#define quoting(Satoshi Asami) // That sounds fine. However, there are still people stuck with a.out // libraries out there (netscape comes to mind). Is the 3.1R installer // going to include a.out libraries as an option? Please, please... compat22 would be a historical name. :)

Re: panic: soaccept: !NOFDREF

1999-01-29 Thread Andrey A. Chernov
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 08:22:38AM -0800, Bill Fenner wrote: Is your machine getting a lot of incoming connections? I'd like to Yes. try to replicate this. If it's a problem for you you can try reverting rev 1.52 of /sys/kern/uipc_socket.c . Ok, I'll revert back for a while and wait for

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Julian Elischer
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: When it comes to code, do you not agree that the trained eye knows which operators to seek to first in an expression? I can't think of an analogy in the English language, since one doesn't seek to commas, one simply reads from left to right. The

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Julian Elischer
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: Giving folks the go-ahead to use parens as a form of documentation is misguided and will end in tears. MHO. Giving people the ability to quickly prove that the code matches the comments when they're upto their behinds in alligators is not going to

Telnet and NIS queries

1999-01-29 Thread Tim Preece
Hi, I am having a few problems with my v.small network. I have 2 boxes both pc's, one running FreeBSD nearly current (Updated begin Jan) and the other running 3.0 release. Firstly I was able to telnet to 127.0.0.1 and log in as root, however now even this seems to be causing problems the same

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Julian Elischer
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Warner Losh wrote: if ((a 0) (b 0)) Personally while I KNOW (after wasting a second thinking about it) that the example below is the same as that above, I ALWAYS code as above. It takes me about 1/5th the time to know what it means. if (a 0 b 0) If

Re: Telnet and NIS queries

1999-01-29 Thread Maxim Sobolev
Dear Tim, Your problem with telnet session is very simple - by default FreeBSD doesn't allow anybody to login as root through insecure connection (see /etc/ttys). This can be changed by editing /etc/ttys to make Pseudo terminals to be secure (hovewer it compromises the security, you need to know

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Warner Losh
: If I were working on this code written by someone else it'd leave my : editor looking like the top example, that's for sure. I think that : How easy is it to edit a piece of code and still have it do what you : expect is an important consideration, because people DO edit things. Agreed. : I

Re: Locked at 100% User CPU

1999-01-29 Thread HighWind Software Information
This code looks pretty bad, all right. It looks like it is O(N^2) in PS_SELECT_WAIT(), especially if descriptors get randomly strewn amoungst the threads. It also looks like it is regenerating the FDS masks on each call completely from scratch. It also looks

Re: make release - Party Time! (but not for the AXP)

1999-01-29 Thread Wilko Bulte
As Jordan K. Hubbard wrote... Unfortunately the AXP is still hosed :( Hmmm. Let me look at this - I may have failed to adjust one of the constants for the AXP case. Sidestepping a bit: will there be AXP specific CDROMs in the WC CDROM distribution? Wilko _

First year of FreeBSD...

1999-01-29 Thread Alexander Sanda
[NOTE: this article has nothing technical, but since I assume most of the developers are reading here, I'am posting this here.] Tomorrow, I will celebrate my 1-year anniversary with FreeBSD. When I started with fbsd, I wasn't exactly an Unix newbie. In fact, I have been using Linux and

Re: About to commit NTFS driver

1999-01-29 Thread Matthew Dillon
I should probably backport the getpbuf/relpbuf changes from -4.x to -3.x so the drivers remain reasonably portable. -Matt Matthew Dillon dil...@backplane.com : :I'm

RE: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread paul
-Original Message- From: Doug Rabson [mailto:d...@nlsystems.com] Sent: 29 January 1999 10:49 To: Sheldon Hearn Cc: Greg Lehey; curr...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd) On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Fri, 29 Jan 1999 20:01:23 +1030,

RE: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread paul
-Original Message- From: Julian Elischer [mailto:jul...@whistle.com] Sent: 29 January 1999 17:48 To: Warner Losh Cc: Andrew Kenneth Milton; curr...@freebsd.org Subject: Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd) On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Warner Losh wrote: if ((a 0) (b

Re: indent(1) and style(9) (was: btokup() macro in sys/malloc.h)

1999-01-29 Thread Brian Cully
On Thu, Jan 28, 1999 at 08:01:33AM +0100, Luigi Rizzo wrote: not speaking about vinum, but to me, the indentation of 8 char and line length of 80 chars are almost mutually exclusive. I've managed to do this for years without much problem. When it is un-avoidable, you can always use a macro.

Network/ARP problem? Maybe pn driver?

1999-01-29 Thread Christopher Masto
I hope I'm not just being really stupid, but I think there's a problem somewhere. If it's a configuration error on my part, then I think I'd better take a vacation, considering what my job is supposed to be. Anyway, I have a machine that is exhibiting a weird network problem. My guess is that

Re: Network/ARP problem? Maybe pn driver?

1999-01-29 Thread Bill Fenner
Can you run a tcpdump arp on the machine that is having the problem, as well? This could help to determine if it's a driver problem (e.g. if the replies don't show up) or an ARP problem (e.g. if the replies do show up but arp doesn't use them). Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to

Re: Network/ARP problem? Maybe pn driver?

1999-01-29 Thread Christopher Masto
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 02:52:07PM -0800, Bill Fenner wrote: Can you run a tcpdump arp on the machine that is having the problem, as well? This could help to determine if it's a driver problem (e.g. if the replies don't show up) or an ARP problem (e.g. if the replies do show up but arp

c_caddr_t

1999-01-29 Thread Matthew Dillon
bde, I don't mind you removing c_caddr_t as long as you also fix the warnings that it fixed, but it would have been appropriate to notify me of what you were doing rather then slamming me in the CVS commit comments. I find that sort of behavior to be highly inappropriate.

Re: Network/ARP problem? Maybe pn driver?

1999-01-29 Thread Bill Paul
Of all the gin joints in all the towns in all the world, Christopher Masto had to walk into mine and say: On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 02:52:07PM -0800, Bill Fenner wrote: Can you run a tcpdump arp on the machine that is having the problem, as well? This could help to determine if it's a driver

Re: Network/ARP problem? Maybe pn driver?

1999-01-29 Thread Bill Fenner
Big Clue. Run tcpdump -p and see if the problem doesn't go away. (tcpdump puts the card in promiscuous mode, tcpdump -p does not). Bill To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: Network/ARP problem? Maybe pn driver?

1999-01-29 Thread Christopher Masto
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 06:02:16PM -0500, Alfred Perlstein wrote: On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Christopher Masto wrote: I hope I'm not just being really stupid, but I think there's a problem somewhere. If it's a configuration error on my part, then I think I'd better take a vacation, considering

Re: Telnet and NIS queries

1999-01-29 Thread mike
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Tim Preece wrote: scratch2 login: LOGIN root REFUSED (NOROOT) from scratch1.netlink on TTY ttyp0 As long as I can remember, root logins have always been refused over network connections. If you want to login as root over a network (bad habbit, but ok for your own, private

Re: Telnet and NIS queries

1999-01-29 Thread mike
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Maxim Sobolev wrote: Your problem with telnet session is very simple - by default FreeBSD doesn't allow anybody to login as root through insecure connection (see /etc/ttys). This can be changed by editing /etc/ttys to make Pseudo *doh* Yes, it's /etc/ttys *not*

indent (was: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd))

1999-01-29 Thread Greg Lehey
On Friday, 29 January 1999 at 9:13:39 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: It would also be nice if somebody whould coerse ident to DTRT. I've already mentioned that I have a version of indent with DABT. Shall I polish it up a bit? Greg -- See complete headers for address, home page and phone

Re: Network/ARP problem? Maybe pn driver?

1999-01-29 Thread Archie Cobbs
Christopher Masto writes: Can you run a tcpdump arp on the machine that is having the problem, as well? This could help to determine if it's a driver problem (e.g. if the replies don't show up) or an ARP problem (e.g. if the replies do show up but arp doesn't use them). Good idea.

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Greg Lehey
On Friday, 29 January 1999 at 11:02:48 -0700, Warner Losh wrote: If I were working on this code written by someone else it'd leave my editor looking like the top example, that's for sure. I think that How easy is it to edit a piece of code and still have it do what you expect is an important

Re: indent (was: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd))

1999-01-29 Thread Brian Somers
On Friday, 29 January 1999 at 9:13:39 +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: It would also be nice if somebody whould coerse ident to DTRT. I've already mentioned that I have a version of indent with DABT. Shall I polish it up a bit? You've got my vote. Greg -- See complete headers for

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Nate Williams
Question: how many people still limit their editor windows to 80 characters? Almost everyone in my group, since alot of development is done on laptops with small screens, or done remotely. Nate To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Julian Elischer
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Greg Lehey wrote: of intelligibility. Consider one possible expansion if (((allocationfail | (IGNOREFAILUREMASK (incount % BLKSIZE))) ^ failures) != 0) or if (((allocationfail | (IGNOREFAILUREMASK (incount %

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Matthew Dillon
: Question: how many people still limit their editor windows to 80 : characters? : :Almost everyone in my group, since alot of development is done on :laptops with small screens, or done remotely. : :Nate I do, because if use anything larger some lines will inevitably go over and I'll get

Re: Network/ARP problem? Maybe pn driver?

1999-01-29 Thread Mike Smith
I hope I'm not just being really stupid, but I think there's a problem somewhere. If it's a configuration error on my part, then I think I'd better take a vacation, considering what my job is supposed to be. Anyway, I have a machine that is exhibiting a weird network problem. My guess is

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Brian Somers
Question: how many people still limit their editor windows to 80 characters? I do :-/ So that I don't write code 80 columns. Greg -- Brian br...@awfulhak.org br...@freebsd.org br...@openbsd.org http://www.Awfulhak.org Don't _EVER_ lose your sense of humour ! To Unsubscribe: send

Re: Network/ARP problem? Maybe pn driver?

1999-01-29 Thread Christopher Masto
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 06:28:46PM -0500, Bill Paul wrote: Hmm. Running tcpdump seems to make the problem go away. The ARP replies show up immediately appear in the table. Clue. You should have tried that first. I'm sorry. I ran tcpdump on a different host precisely because I didn't

4.0-current emacs locks up in startup

1999-01-29 Thread Randy Bush
4.0-current of a few days ago. rebuilt XFree and a bunch of other stuff build emacs or emacs20 either runs fine in an x-term either freezes when started with its own window it puts up the window paints the grey menu bar freeze emacs20 stack at freeze #0 0x282c4824 in select () #1

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Garrett Wollman
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999 10:49:43 +1030, Greg Lehey g...@lemis.com said: Question: how many people still limit their editor windows to 80 characters? Probably almost anyone who uses the default settings. Many people like to be able to see more than one thing on the desktop at a time. Even with a

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Zach Heilig
On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 11:02:48AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: Yes. I agree with that. if (a | b c % d ^ e) should have been written as: if (((a | (b (c % d))) ^ e) != 0) I don't know why I'm getting into this, but to prove the point that this expression takes careful thought,

Re: make release - Party Time! (but not for the AXP)

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Sidestepping a bit: will there be AXP specific CDROMs in the WC CDROM distribution? Probably - it's just far too early to say. - Jordan To Unsubscribe: send mail to majord...@freebsd.org with unsubscribe freebsd-current in the body of the message

Re: c_caddr_t

1999-01-29 Thread Warner Losh
In message 199901292317.paa84...@apollo.backplane.com Matthew Dillon writes: : bde, I don't mind you removing c_caddr_t as long as you also fix the : warnings that it fixed, but it would have been appropriate to notify : me of what you were doing rather then slamming me in the CVS

Re: c_caddr_t

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
It's also something that bde has slammed more than a few other people on when they do such things [Commit messages are not for this purpose!] so he of all people ought to know better (stern look at Bruce for getting hypocritical in his old age :). - Jordan bde, I don't mind you removing

Re: c_caddr_t

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
Matt, get over it. bde didn't slam *YOU* in the commit messages. You were never mentioned personally. Also, taking your complaint to -current is not proper proceedure for handling grievances. While this is true, I think the overall point he made was reasonable considering how often Bruce

Re: c_caddr_t

1999-01-29 Thread Warner Losh
In message 86708.917669...@zippy.cdrom.com Jordan K. Hubbard writes: : While this is true, I think the overall point he made was reasonable : considering how often Bruce has corrected others for needless : commentary in the commit logs and I'd be happy to see everyone follow : their own rules at

Re: c_caddr_t

1999-01-29 Thread Jordan K. Hubbard
forum. If Matt wished to make this point, he should have done so in a less inflamitory manner especially in such a public forum. That's been a problem lately in this forum, and I cannot express easily in words how strongly I object to it. Fair enough - maybe everyone involved should just

SysVR4 emulator

1999-01-29 Thread Mark Newton
I've just committed the FreeBSD svr4 emulator, which has been built by adapting the stirling work of Christos Zoulas from the NetBSD project to FreeBSD. I hope I haven't left anything out or broken the world, but I'm sure I'll hear about it if I have :-) To use it: 1. Add pseudo-device

Re: SysVR4 emulator

1999-01-29 Thread Warner Losh
In message 199901300636.raa20...@atdot.dotat.org Mark Newton writes: : It's early days yet, folks -- You'll probably have trouble getting 100% : functionality out of most things (specifically, poll() on a socket doesn't : look like it works at the moment, so Netscape doesn't work (among other :

Why doesn't Vinum start automatically?

1999-01-29 Thread Chris Knight
There have been changes to rc and rc.conf lately to autostart Vinum. But on my system it does not auto load at start and I wind up manually loading the module, reading the config and mounting the volume. Any help if figuring out why this is not working would be appreciated. rc.conf now sets a

Re: SysVR4 emulator

1999-01-29 Thread Mark Newton
Warner Losh wrote: In message 199901300636.raa20...@atdot.dotat.org Mark Newton writes: : It's early days yet, folks -- You'll probably have trouble getting 100% : functionality out of most things (specifically, poll() on a socket doesn't : look like it works at the moment, so Netscape

Re: About to commit NTFS driver

1999-01-29 Thread David O'Brien
Looks like not. David O'Brien have just showed me points to fix. May be he will be? Willing to, but I am waiting until I can compile it and test it under 4.0-CURRENT. (esp. since that is where it will have to be added first) -- -- David(obr...@nuxi.com -or- obr...@freebsd.org) To

*1 routines in /sys/kern

1999-01-29 Thread Mark Newton
We currently have routines like fork1() and killpg1() in /sys/kern/* to implement generic functionality for actions with more than one front-end. NetBSD has done something similar for signals, so that emulators with non-BSD signal semantics can implement their way of doing things as an

Re: btokup().. patch to STYLE(9) (fwd)

1999-01-29 Thread Warner Losh
In message 19990129204521.a73...@znh.org Zach Heilig writes: : On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 11:02:48AM -0700, Warner Losh wrote: : Yes. I agree with that. : if (a | b c % d ^ e) : should have been written as: : if (((a | (b (c % d))) ^ e) != 0) : : I don't know why I'm getting into