Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-26 Thread Pat Lynch
On Tue, 14 Dec 1999, Ben Rosengart wrote: vi -- which is in /usr. Good example of something else that would be great to have in /bin. *ducking* -- Ben Rosengart and as a coworker, I'd have to tell you how to use cat ;) ROTFL. -Pat __ Pat Lynch

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-16 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
David Scheidt wrote: What's wrong with run with system V runlevels? Other than it's system V and everything AT^HUSL did is evil, of course. They try to map graphs into a line. -- Daniel C. Sobral(8-DCS) who is as social as a wampas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-15 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999 06:21:48 +1100, Peter Jeremy wrote: @@ -344,7 +352,7 @@ tools:: .for _tool in ${_strfile} ${_aout_tools} usr.bin/gensetdefs \ gnu/usr.bin/binutils usr.bin/objformat usr.bin/yacc usr.bin/colldef \ -gnu/usr.bin/bison gnu/usr.bin/cc +gnu/usr.bin/bison

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Daniel C. Sobral
"Rodney W. Grimes" wrote: Yea... been hearing that for 4 years... one of it's big short comings is that it needs a persistent backing store for this. Sounds like this C program could fullfill one of the missing parts of devfs :-) F persistent backing store. The daemon solution is perfectly

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-15 19:57:49 +1100, Sheldon Hearn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -gnu/usr.bin/bison gnu/usr.bin/cc +gnu/usr.bin/bison gnu/usr.bin/cc gnu/usr.bin/texinfo Presumably this hunk is a stray fix for something other than the fortune database? :-) Yes it is. I was having problems with

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread David Scheidt
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dav id Scheidt writes: What's wrong with run with system V runlevels? Other than it's system V and everything AT^HUSL did is evil, of course. runlevels are a very oldfashioned way to think about things, I

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Donn Miller
David Scheidt wrote: What's wrong with run with system V runlevels? Other than it's system V and everything AT^HUSL did is evil, of course. Well, the one danger is that we'd be slowly drifting away from the classic BSD way of doing thigs. Of course, the official BSD is dead (right?). But

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Newton
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 01:22:46AM -0500, Donn Miller wrote: runlevels, OpenBSD does not or goes with an entirely different system), them would it be fair to consider FreeBSD "BSD"? The advantage here is that FreeBSD would mature into it's own type of UNIX with a BSD heritage. Can we

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-14 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Peter Wemm wrote: I wonder if we should move fortune to usr.bin? It's hardly a game and I'm way beyond tired of it being left out of standard paths... (ie: "/bin:/usr/bin[:/usr/local/bin]") After letting this go through my head for a day (it probably isn't important anymore :-), I think

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Matthew Thyer
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: So how about /usr/sbin/chown - /sbin/chown so that MAKEDEV works with just the root file system mounted? How about removing awk from MAKEDEV so life isn't so hard to recover when you use a 3.3 fixit floppy after removing /dev and not making

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Ben Rosengart
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Bill Fumerola wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: So how about /usr/sbin/chown - /sbin/chown so that MAKEDEV works with just the root file system mounted? As one who just got his ass bitten by this, I would vote yes. As one who's missed chown at

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Matthew Dillon
: : So how about /usr/sbin/chown - /sbin/chown so that MAKEDEV works with : just the root file system mounted? : : As one who just got his ass bitten by this, I would vote yes. : :As one who's missed chown at times when only root's mounted, I'm with Bill. : :-- : Ben Rosengart : :UNIX

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Dillon writes: I think at one time or another all of us have missed *something* in /usr that wasn't in /. For example, disklabel -e doesn't work without vi -- which is in /usr. EDITOR=/bin/ed export EDITOR disklabel -e

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread David Wolfskill
[Recipient list trimmed down to just the list. dhw] Date: Tue, 14 Dec 1999 19:38:32 +0100 From: Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] It would make more sense, considering the way FreeBSD is distributed for /usr/local to be a mountpoint than for /usr to be a mountpoint. It's hardly

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-14 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-13 20:42:36 +1100, Marcel Moolenaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Index: Makefile.inc1 === RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/Makefile.inc1,v retrieving revision 1.106 diff -u -r1.106 Makefile.inc1 --- Makefile.inc1 1999/12/12

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 10:32:23AM -0800, Matthew Dillon wrote: : : So how about /usr/sbin/chown - /sbin/chown so that MAKEDEV works with : just the root file system mounted? : : As one who just got his ass bitten by this, I would vote yes. : :As one who's missed chown at times when

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 07:38:32PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Dillon writes: I think at one time or another all of us have missed *something* in /usr that wasn't in /. For example, disklabel -e doesn't work without vi -- which is in

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Blaz Zupan
How about removing awk from MAKEDEV so life isn't so hard to recover when you use a 3.3 fixit floppy after removing /dev and not making enough of it again. How about finally starting to work on devfs and forget about all the MAKEDEV junk and leave it as it is for now? Blaz Zupan, [EMAIL

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"BSDman" == BSDman [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BSDman one idea about /usr is to allow the admin to mount it BSDman read-only. I didn't tried it but this would give some BSDman level of security against modifications of the files there BSDman in. This is particulary useful in a

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Brian Somers
[.] On a related subject: don't you think it's high time to end up this madness with MAKEDEV being a shell script, and reimplement it in C? Today, [.] *cough*DEVFS*cough* -- Brian [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Awfulhak.org

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
[.] On a related subject: don't you think it's high time to end up this madness with MAKEDEV being a shell script, and reimplement it in C? Today, [.] *cough*DEVFS*cough* Yea... been hearing that for 4 years... one of it's big short comings is that it needs a persistent backing

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Mark Newton
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 01:39:28AM +, Brian Somers wrote: [.] On a related subject: don't you think it's high time to end up this madness with MAKEDEV being a shell script, and reimplement it in C? Today, [.] *cough*DEVFS*cough* Gesunteit. - mark -- Mark Newton

Re: RE: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-14 Thread Matthew Dillon
: :Poul-Henning Kamp wrote : It would make more sense, considering the way FreeBSD is distributed for : /usr/local to be a mountpoint than for /usr to be a mountpoint. : : /var is traditionally a mountpoint to keep the logs out of harms : way (and vice versa), but /usr never had that level of

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) )

1999-12-14 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brian Somers writes: : *cough*DEVFS*cough* devfs*D* Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-13 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Peter Jeremy wrote: === games/fortune/datfiles PATH=$PATH:/usr/games:/usr/obj/3.0/cvs/src/games/fortune/datfiles/../strfile strfile -Crs /3.0/cvs/src/games/fortune/datfiles/fortunes fortunes.dat strfile: illegal option -- C strfile [-iorsx] [-c char] sourcefile [datafile] *** Error code 1

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-13 Thread Sheldon Hearn
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:42:36 +0100, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: I think the easiest solution would be (instead of your patches of course): -STRICTTMPPATH= ${WORLDTMP}/bin:${WORLDTMP}/usr/bin +STRICTTMPPATH= ${WORLDTMP}/bin:${WORLDTMP}/usr/bin:${WORLDTMP}/usr/games Only if you preceded the

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-13 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999 10:42:36 +0100, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: I think the easiest solution would be (instead of your patches of course): -STRICTTMPPATH= ${WORLDTMP}/bin:${WORLDTMP}/usr/bin +STRICTTMPPATH= ${WORLDTMP}/bin:${WORLDTMP}/usr/bin:${WORLDTMP}/usr/games Only if you

Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes)

1999-12-13 Thread Kris Kennaway
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: I wonder if we should move fortune to usr.bin? It's hardly a game and I'm way beyond tired of it being left out of standard paths... (ie: "/bin:/usr/bin[:/usr/local/bin]") I have no opinion about fortune, but I do think that md5 should be moved from

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes)

1999-12-13 Thread Doug White
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: I wonder if we should move fortune to usr.bin? It's hardly a game and I'm way beyond tired of it being left out of standard paths... (ie: "/bin:/usr/bin[:/usr/local/bin]") I have no opinion about

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-13 Thread Louis A. Mamakos
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Kris Kennaway wrote: On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Peter Wemm wrote: I wonder if we should move fortune to usr.bin? It's hardly a game and I'm way beyond tired of it being left out of standard paths... (ie: "/bin:/usr/bin[:/usr/local/bin]") I have no opinion

Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes )

1999-12-13 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Mon, 13 Dec 1999, Louis A. Mamakos wrote: So how about /usr/sbin/chown - /sbin/chown so that MAKEDEV works with just the root file system mounted? As one who just got his ass bitten by this, I would vote yes. -- - bill fumerola - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - BF1560 - computer horizons corp - -

make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-12 Thread Peter Jeremy
I'm still running a -CURRENT from just before the signal changes and for the past 4 days, my nightly buildworld has been dying at follows: === games/fortune/datfiles PATH=$PATH:/usr/games:/usr/obj/3.0/cvs/src/games/fortune/datfiles/../strfile st rfile -Crs

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-12 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-13 11:06:19 +1100, I wrote: I'm still running a -CURRENT from just before the signal changes and for the past 4 days, my nightly buildworld has been dying at follows: === games/fortune/datfiles PATH=$PATH:/usr/games:/usr/obj/3.0/cvs/src/games/fortune/datfiles/../strfile strfile -Crs

Re: make world broken building fortunes

1999-12-12 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-13 11:06:19 +1100, I wrote: I'm still running a -CURRENT from just before the signal changes and for the past 4 days, my nightly buildworld has been dying at follows: === games/fortune/datfiles PATH=$PATH:/usr/games:/usr/obj/3.0/cvs/src/games/fortune/datfiles/../strfile strfile -Crs