Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Sanford Owings
Okpicky time here. Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, Greenland, etc). Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. So then ... "Orca"! -- Sanford Owings EECS Instructional Group Staff

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread patrick
On 15 Dec, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, Greenland, etc). Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. I knew we'd get to the bottom of this eventually. We're

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-16 06:53:52 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. And southern Australia (there are penguin colonies in both Sydney and Melbourne), New Zealand, the southern bits of South America, South Georgia Island, probably South Africa.

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Donn Miller
"Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the North Pole and penguins are from the South Pole. Really? What eats penguins then? Maybe walrus? Arctic Foxes. - Donn To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe

Re: kernel build breakage if COMPAT_43 not defined

1999-12-15 Thread Marcel Moolenaar
Matthew Dillon wrote: The compile dies with prototype-missing errors on osig*() routines in kern/kern_sig.c and i386/i386/machdep.c if COMPAT_43 is not defined. This is a known problem. We need to introduce something like COMPAT_FBSD3 and make the code conditional on that. It's now

Re: tagged openings now 31, 25, 2; ncr0: queue empty.

1999-12-15 Thread Michael Reifenberger
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Hellmuth Michaelis wrote: ... (da1:ncr0:0:1:0): tagged openings now 31 (da1:ncr0:0:1:0): tagged openings now 25 (da1:ncr0:0:1:0): tagged openings now 2 and then scrolling: ncr0: queue empty. ... What is happening there ? Is the drive going bad ? Probably if you see

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Bruce Burden
Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) The northern hemisphere penguin type birds are called Auks. Close cousin to penguins. I don't know whether the Inuit hunt them or not. Bruce --

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Tom Bartol
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Donn Miller wrote: "Jordan K. Hubbard" wrote: I was under the impression that Polar Bears are native to the North Pole and penguins are from the South Pole. Really? What eats penguins then? Maybe walrus? Arctic Foxes. - Donn I doubt it. No

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Brad Knowles
At 12:04 PM -0800 1999/12/15, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: OK, I hereby vote for "orca" as the code name. It's shorter than "leopard seal" :) Except that there is already a well-known tool by that name. See http://www.gps.caltech.edu/~blair/orca/. -- These are my opinions -- not

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread David Scheidt
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Brad Knowles wrote: At 12:04 PM -0800 1999/12/15, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: OK, I hereby vote for "orca" as the code name. It's shorter than "leopard seal" :) Except that there is already a well-known tool by that name. See

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Adam Strohl
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: With due attention paid to realities I offer the following two code names for your consideration: "freon" YES! This has my vote - ( Adam Strohl ) - - UNIX Operations/Systems

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world brokenbuilding fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Jacob
Isn't this throwing an awful lot onto init? Not really... The meta-daemon part is no different from keeping gettys in the air... The devd thing consists of selecting on some magic fd and running a program when something happens. This could be done with a getty like daemon too of

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:53:52PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 15 Dec, Jordan K. Hubbard wrote: Call it Inuit. (rationale: Inuit feed on pinguins (right?)) How about PolarBear in that case? :) Okpicky time here. Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Wilko Bulte
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 09:24:04PM +0100, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, Greenland, etc). Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural enemies are

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread David Scheidt
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dav id Scheidt writes: What's wrong with run with system V runlevels? Other than it's system V and everything AT^HUSL did is evil, of course. runlevels are a very oldfashioned way to think about things, I

linux /proc and vmware.

1999-12-15 Thread Julian Elischer
for various reasons it looks more an dmore like we will need to do this simply for practical reasons. In particular for vmware, but also for other packages. the hack at http://www.enst.fr/~beyssac/freebsd/ seems a good one to me. (as a starting point. might I suggest that we make a decision

Re: sh(1) broken caching [was: Re: Broken sh(1)?]

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Smith
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Marcel Moolenaar wrote: Sheldon Hearn wrote: On Tue, 14 Dec 1999 15:42:11 +0100, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: You set all those variables for the first make command, but not for the second. What did you expect to happen? That make(1) would

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Sanford Owings
Hm, if correct, Orca would make a good codename for a sysadm tool: Ordinary Ramblers Can [now] Admin [FreeBSD] Someone pointed out that Orca was already taken The question NOW is: Can you come up with a good acronym for "SHAMU"? -- Sanford Owings EECS Instructional Group Staff

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Chris Costello
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999, Sanford Owings wrote: Someone pointed out that Orca was already taken The question NOW is: Can you come up with a good acronym for "SHAMU"? Systems Have an Administration Monstrosity Underfoot. Sounds a bit derogatory if I want people to _use_ the thing. --

problems with new pnp code

1999-12-15 Thread D. Rock
Hi, just noticed a bug in the new pnp code. The resource allocator seems to ignore the align flag for port addresses. dmesg output: [...] AZT5001: start dependant AZT5001: adding io range 0x100-0x3ff, size=0x1, align=0x1 AZT5001: end dependant [...] SAG0001: start dependant SAG0001: adding io

ATA problem

1999-12-15 Thread D. Rock
Hi, The ata driver tries to enable UDMA for my controller, but fails (this is no disk problem. The disks can do UDMA, as tested in another machine). Perhaps UDMA should be disabled for all VIA 82C586 chips: dmesg output: [...] found- vendor=0x1106, dev=0x0571, revid=0x02 class=01-01-8a,

Re: AMI MEGARAID problems.

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Smith
dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/amrd0 count=16 disklabel -rw amrd0 auto newfs amrd0c Don't bother slicing the array in this case; it's not worth the effort. (The probable cause of your trouble is garbage at the beginning of the slice you've created). I'm having trouble convincing -CURRENT to

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Smith
Okpicky time here. Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, Greenland, etc). Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. Back to lurking... Actually, Penguins are found all the way into the

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Smith
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Jordan K. Hubbard" writes: Polar bears and Inuits are found near the North Pole (Alaska, Greenland, etc). Penguins are typically only found in Antarctica. Their only natural enemies are killer whales and leopard seals. I knew we'd get to the bottom

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Rodney W. Grimes
Hm, if correct, Orca would make a good codename for a sysadm tool: Ordinary Ramblers Can [now] Admin [FreeBSD] Someone pointed out that Orca was already taken The question NOW is: Can you come up with a good acronym for "SHAMU"? Easy... Some Help for Another Misguided

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Neal Westfall
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: Hm, if correct, Orca would make a good codename for a sysadm tool: Ordinary Ramblers Can [now] Admin [FreeBSD] Someone pointed out that Orca was already taken The question NOW is: Can you come up with a good acronym for

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Warner Losh
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] Neal Westfall writes: : "System Hoser and Mangling Utility" Shamu Helps Any Moronic User Warner To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Chris D. Faulhaber
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Wilko Bulte wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 1999 at 05:28:32PM -0600, Chris Costello wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 1999, Donn Miller wrote: Maybe we could call it "sysconfig", in honor of the old /etc/sysconfig file that was superceded bt /etc/rc.conf. That's not very

pnp, sound and LINT in -current

1999-12-15 Thread Julian Elischer
Somethifn I have not bee tracking has happened with config, and "controller pnp" as it no longer likes it. however LINT doesn't help because it still has comments refering to 'enable pnp'. Are these old? and if not, how do I now do this? Julian To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world brokenbuilding fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-16 07:48:48 +1100, Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And we don't really need YAD when we have init hanging around doing nothing for its keep anyway... I beg to differ. To quote init(8): The role of init is so critical that if it dies, the system will reboot

Re: pnp, sound and LINT in -current

1999-12-15 Thread Bill Fumerola
On Wed, 15 Dec 1999, Julian Elischer wrote: Somethifn I have not bee tracking has happened with config, and "controller pnp" as it no longer likes it. however LINT doesn't help because it still has comments refering to 'enable pnp'. Are these old? and if not, how do I now do this?

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Chris Costello
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999, Daniel C. Sobral wrote: GUI's are *NEVER* the faster way to administer. They can make faster a very limited set of tasks. When I worked with AIX, even though I was very comfortable with SMIT, at any time when I wanted to do something fast, it was CLI all the way.

Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world brokenbuilding fortunes ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 1999-Dec-16 10:07:49 +1100, Poul-Henning Kamp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Jeremy writes : It can do that now. Add the following lines to /etc/ttys: sshd "/usr/local/sbin/sshd" none on inetd "/usr/sbin/inetd -Ww" none on syslogd "/usr/sbin/syslogd" none

Re: Init (was MAKEDEV et al)

1999-12-15 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
"Peter" == Peter Jeremy [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: And then we could telinit -on sshd telinit -off sshd Peter This looks nice. The major problem I see is coming up with Peter a secure mechanism for passing the daemon name from telinit Peter to init. Named sockets work well

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Newton
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 10:21:40PM +0100, Wilko Bulte wrote: "flourocarbons" fluorocarbons aka CFK. There is a relation with computing: Seymour used them to keep his machines thermally sound. Call it "cfc" -- "The tool you want to use when you want to keep FreeBSD cool." :-) -

Re: Today's make world breakage

1999-12-15 Thread David O'Brien
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 02:10:43PM -0500, Forrest Aldrich wrote: cpp: }: No such file or directory cpp: }: No such file or directory mkdep: compile failed *** Error code 1 Fixed. Thanks for the report. -- -- David([EMAIL PROTECTED]) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: ATA problem

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Pritchard
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 10:16:29PM +0100, D. Rock wrote: Hi, The ata driver tries to enable UDMA for my controller, but fails (this is no disk problem. The disks can do UDMA, as tested in another machine). Perhaps UDMA should be disabled for all VIA 82C586 chips: I have two machines with

Re: kernel crash via /usr/bin/ktrace

1999-12-15 Thread Assar Westerlund
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: While testing ktrace today for the FreeBSD-Audit project with smashwidgets, I left the room and came back to my bios booting up. Unfortunatly smashwidgets wasn't in full logging mode for speed, so I don't know what arguments or environment variablesm were executed to

Re: AMI MEGARAID problems.

1999-12-15 Thread Mike Tancsa
On 15 Dec 1999 13:50:33 -0500, in sentex.lists.freebsd.current you wrote: I'm having trouble convincing -CURRENT to disklabel or newfs an AMI MEGARAID adapter. amr0: AMI MegaRAID irq 10 at device 11.1 on pci0 amr0: firmware GH89 bios 1.41 16MB memory amrd0: MegaRAID logical drive on amr0

Re: INET6 userland tools

1999-12-15 Thread Yoshinobu Inoue
I may be missing the obvious, but what is everybody using for userland tools (ping6 etc) on current? I haven't tried, but will the kame-snap tools for 3 work? Thanks Now only ifconfig, route, and netstat support INET6 on the current. To support other tools, INET6 related library

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Alex Bedworth
Daniel brings up a good point about SMIT (I don't know about SAM, not being a HP geek :) One helpful feature of SMIT/smitty is that it allows you to display the command that you are about to run. It also saves a history of its session in $HOME/smit.log, which can be used later to repeat actions

syscons screenshot tool

1999-12-15 Thread Oliver Fromme
Hi, As I mentioned in the "propellers" thread, I have a small tool that can be used to make screenshots of syscons VTYs. Here it is: http://www.fromme.com/syscons-screenshot/ There is a README with instructions, _please_ read it! Actually this is a quick hack, and the ioctl approach is a bit

make world breakage

1999-12-15 Thread Clive Lin
FreeBSD current source cvsuped about 2 hrs ago: === gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld cc -Os -pipe -mpentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -D_GNU_SOURCE -I- -I. -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/i386 -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld -I/usr/src/gnu/usr.bin/binutils/ld/../libbfd/i386

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Matthew Dillon
Here's a general update on this bug report to -current. It took all day but I was finally able to reproduce Andrew's bug. You guys are going to *love* this. NFS uses the kernel 'boottime' structure to generate its version id. Now normally you might believe that this

ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-15 Thread Devin Butterfield
Hi, I just recently compiled a kernel with the new ATA driver and have discovered a problem: if I run sysinstall, right when it says "probing devices, please wait (this can be a while)" error messages saying... Dec 15 21:20:05 dbm /kernel: ata0-slave: ad_timeout: lost disk contact - resetting

Re: HEADSUP: wd driver will be retired!

1999-12-15 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Wed, Dec 15, 1999 at 07:01:59PM +0100, Soren Schmidt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That particular chip is so broken in so obscure ways, that most of the "fixes" floating around doesn't. Its just plain broken, and should be avoided totally and at all cost... It will be nice to let the user

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Donn Miller
David Scheidt wrote: What's wrong with run with system V runlevels? Other than it's system V and everything AT^HUSL did is evil, of course. Well, the one danger is that we'd be slowly drifting away from the classic BSD way of doing thigs. Of course, the official BSD is dead (right?). But

Re: Init Re: MAKEDEV (Re: Speaking of moving files (Re: make world broken building fortunes ) ) )

1999-12-15 Thread Mark Newton
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 01:22:46AM -0500, Donn Miller wrote: runlevels, OpenBSD does not or goes with an entirely different system), them would it be fair to consider FreeBSD "BSD"? The advantage here is that FreeBSD would mature into it's own type of UNIX with a BSD heritage. Can we

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Dillon writes: Here's a general update on this bug report to -current. It took all day but I was finally able to reproduce Andrew's bug. You guys are going to *love* this. NFS uses the kernel 'boottime' structure to generate its version id.

amandad still freezes current

1999-12-15 Thread Taavi Talvik
Hello ! running amanda over network still freezes current (1-2 days old). Script started on Thu Dec 16 09:20:23 1999 tt# gdb -k kernel.6 vmcore.6 GNU gdb 4.18 Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you are welcome to

Re: sysinstall: is it really at the end of its lifecycle?

1999-12-15 Thread Anthony Kimball
System Housekeeping Advanced Management Utility ? [ can we loose the H please? Sounds like a broom to me ] SHyshtem advanshed managedment utilititily? (hic) To Unsubscribe: send mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-15 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Devin Butterfield wrote: Hi, I just recently compiled a kernel with the new ATA driver and have discovered a problem: if I run sysinstall, right when it says "probing devices, please wait (this can be a while)" error messages saying... [snip] and after printing these messages a

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Dillon writes: :NFS uses the kernel 'boottime' structure to generate its version id. :Now normally you might believe that this structure, once set, will :never change. The authors of NFS certainly make that assumption! : :Is this another case of

Re: Serious server-side NFS problem

1999-12-15 Thread Kevin Day
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Matthew Dillon writes: :NFS uses the kernel 'boottime' structure to generate its version id. :Now normally you might believe that this structure, once set, will :never change. The authors of NFS certainly make that assumption! : :Is this

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