On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 08:41:12PM -0600, Brooks Davis wrote:
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 05:55:37PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 12:02:23PM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
It is possible to build and link our in-tree gdb friends with libedit
after r228114.
The remaining
David,
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:17 PM, David O'Brien obr...@freebsd.org wrote:
Agreed and known. If the application(s) using libreadline weren't
already GPL I wouldn't have spoken up.
When I added the libreadline compatibility to libedit, I changed all the
non-GPL libreadline uses to
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 11:56:31AM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
You still failed to name a single compelling reason to leave profiled
libs even in -CURRENT.
Sorry Joe, I don't think your reasoning is compelling.
I'm sure you know how to stick NO_PROFILE=true in your /etc/src.conf.
How far do you
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:57:20PM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:55 AM, David O'Brien obr...@freebsd.org wrote:
If you go with (2) above, we'll still have *tons* of ports that want a
libreadline, so we'll just end up growing a port of it and we'll wind up
with a libreadline
David,
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:43 PM, David O'Brien obr...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:57:20PM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:55 AM, David O'Brien obr...@freebsd.org
wrote:
If you go with (2) above, we'll still have *tons* of ports that want a
David,
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:35 PM, David O'Brien obr...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 11:56:31AM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
You still failed to name a single compelling reason to leave profiled
libs even in -CURRENT.
Sorry Joe, I don't think your reasoning is compelling.
I'm
Hello!
I know that it is too early to speak about this, but I would like the
dust in the mailing lists to settle down before real actions can be
taken.
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I do not see any
compelling reasons for keeping CVS in the base system.
Those who still use it for
on 02/12/2011 03:04 Arnaud Lacombe said the following:
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote:
on 14/11/2011 02:38 Arnaud Lacombe said the following:
you (committers)
I wonder how it would work out if you were made a committer and couldn't say
you
on 02/12/2011 06:36 John Baldwin said the following:
Ah, ok (I had thought SCHEDULER_STOPPED was going to always be true when kdb
was
active). But I think these two changes should cover critical_exit() ok.
I attempted to start a discussion about this a few times already :-)
Should we treat
Max Khon wrote:
Hello!
I know that it is too early to speak about this, but I would like the
dust in the mailing lists to settle down before real actions can be
taken.
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I do not see any
compelling reasons for keeping CVS in the base system.
Those
^ What version of FreeBSD do you run? Do you not have a ugen manpage? Can you
run man ugen?
^ I have the manpages for ugen, and man usb, also man 4 usb, but no diff as
such.
^ I guess ugen manpage failed to reflect becoming part of usb.
^ Tom
There is:
share/man/man4/ugen.4
in
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 04:23:11PM -0500, David Schultz wrote:
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011, George Liaskos wrote:
Hello
One example is Google's tcmalloc [1], is this behaviour intended?
[1]
http://code.google.com/p/google-perftools/source/browse/trunk/src/maybe_threads.cc
This code
On Fri, 2 Dec 2011 16:22:10 +1100
Greg 'groggy' Lehey g...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Friday, 2 December 2011 at 1:50:19 +0100, Gary Jennejohn wrote:
On Thu, 1 Dec 2011 21:31:18 +0200
George Kontostanos gkontos.m...@gmail.com wrote:
Does this mean that loading ahci in loader.conf is useless
On 2011-Dec-02 16:27:34 +0700, Max Khon f...@samodelkin.net wrote:
I know that it is too early to speak about this, but I would like the
dust in the mailing lists to settle down before real actions can be
taken.
I'd agree that it's still too early.
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I
On 01.12.2011 09:37, Bernhard Froehlich wrote:
On 01.12.2011 00:07, Jung-uk Kim wrote:
On Wednesday 30 November 2011 05:32 pm, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on 26/11/2011 18:33 Gleb Kurtsou said the following:
Using new vm_page_alloc_contig() may be a better option here.
Can't help with patch, stuck
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 12:17:21AM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 05:20:17PM +0100, Olivier Houchard wrote:
On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 06:04:50PM +0200, Kostik Belousov wrote:
I wonder why the waiting_threads stuff is needed at all. The cv could
be woken up
Peter,
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 6:54 PM, Peter Jeremy peterjer...@acm.org wrote:
On 2011-Dec-02 16:27:34 +0700, Max Khon f...@samodelkin.net wrote:
I know that it is too early to speak about this, but I would like the
dust in the mailing lists to settle down before real actions can be
taken.
I think you're missing the point a little.
The point is, you have to keep in mind how comfortable people feel
about things, and progress sometimes makes people uncomfortable. I
think you should leave these changes bake for a while and let people
get comfortable with the changing status quo.
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 04:27:34PM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
Hello!
...
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I do not see any
compelling reasons for keeping CVS in the base system.
Well. We _could_ replace it with SCCS.
--
- d...@freebsd.org d...@db.net http://www.db.net/~db
Why
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 8:36 AM, Diane Bruce d...@db.net wrote:
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 04:27:34PM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
Hello!
...
As soon as ports/ (and doc/) are moved to SVN I do not see any
compelling reasons for keeping CVS in the base system.
Well. We _could_ replace it with
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 2:05 AM, Andriy Gapon a...@freebsd.org wrote:
on 02/12/2011 06:36 John Baldwin said the following:
Ah, ok (I had thought SCHEDULER_STOPPED was going to always be true when kdb
was
active). But I think these two changes should cover critical_exit() ok.
I attempted to
On 12/2/11 5:05 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on 02/12/2011 06:36 John Baldwin said the following:
Ah, ok (I had thought SCHEDULER_STOPPED was going to always be true when kdb was
active). But I think these two changes should cover critical_exit() ok.
I attempted to start a discussion about this
Max, I think a reasonable default is to continue building and shipping
profiled libraries. This keeps FreeBSD consistent with every other UNIX
variant released in the last (at least) 30 years.
If you personally find profiled library builds slow you down too much, a
one line addition to your
On 2 Dec 2011 15:57, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
Max, I think a reasonable default is to continue building and shipping
profiled libraries. This keeps FreeBSD consistent with every other UNIX
variant released in the last (at least) 30 years.
If you personally find profiled
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 04:23:40PM +, Chris Rees wrote:
On 2 Dec 2011 15:57, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
If you choose not to profile your code, that's entirely your choice.
Breaking this functionality for everyone else who *does* make the effort to
profile their code is a
Nothing is being broken here, just a default being changed.
Users make up a greater proportion of our userbase than developers, so
sensible defaults for them are more appropriate, right?
This has no impact on non-developer end-users.
For developer end-users, this has a huge impact. You are
On 26.11.2011 07:29, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 3:39 AM, Bernhard Froehlich wrote:
On 25.11.2011 08:02, Aryeh Friedman wrote:
With the following installed and all the prerequest ports for vbox
when I
attempt to boot a default machine setup for freebsd guest OS
install it
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:56 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
If you choose not to profile your code, that's entirely your choice.
Breaking this functionality for everyone else who *does* make the effort to
profile their code is a non-starter.
Using profiled libs and gprof to
Something else I forgot to mention ...
The point of -CURRENT is to make sure everything works before it becomes
-STABLE and -RELEASE. Not building significant components of the system
ensures those components don't get tested. This includes the actual build
process, as well as the
Using profiled libs and gprof to profile your code has been obsolete
in FreeBSD on i386 and amd64 for over six years now.
Funny, it still seems to work on my systems.
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freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list
On 2 Dec 2011 16:54, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
Using profiled libs and gprof to profile your code has been obsolete
in FreeBSD on i386 and amd64 for over six years now.
Funny, it still seems to work on my systems.
I wonder if you're either not reading these emails properly
Obsolete does not mean it doesn't work.
No, these days 'obsolete' seems to mean 'it does not have a sexy
Flash-driven web GUI.'
Profiling is a simple basic tool that makes it easy to quickly find code
execution hot-spots. It's not dtrace, or any other plethora of tools that
do a more
2011/12/2 John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org:
On 12/2/11 5:05 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on 02/12/2011 06:36 John Baldwin said the following:
Ah, ok (I had thought SCHEDULER_STOPPED was going to always be true when
kdb was
active). But I think these two changes should cover critical_exit() ok.
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
No, these days 'obsolete' seems to mean 'it does not have a sexy
Flash-driven web GUI.'
In this case, 'obsolete' means it's a difficult-to-use tool that
requires recompiling your application, can't be used in production,
In this case, 'obsolete' means it's a difficult-to-use tool that
requires recompiling your application, can't be used in production,
doesn't work when shared libraries are in the picture, offers
limited-to-no visibility into the underlying reasons why a particular
code path is a hotspot and
On 2 Dec 2011 17:07, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
Obsolete does not mean it doesn't work.
No, these days 'obsolete' seems to mean 'it does not have a sexy
Flash-driven web GUI.'
Straw man argument. This is irrelevant.
Profiling is a simple basic tool that makes it easy to
Isn't this about user choice, and making sensible defaults?
There are two or three users out of thousands complaining about the
default. If the extra build time bugs you that much, I'll contribute
towards buying you better build hardware, too.
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On 12/2/11 12:18 PM, Attilio Rao wrote:
2011/12/2 John Baldwinj...@freebsd.org:
On 12/2/11 5:05 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on 02/12/2011 06:36 John Baldwin said the following:
Ah, ok (I had thought SCHEDULER_STOPPED was going to always be true when
kdb was
active). But I think these two
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 01:12:42PM -0500, Ryan Stone wrote:
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:07 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
No, these days 'obsolete' seems to mean 'it does not have a sexy
Flash-driven web GUI.'
In this case, 'obsolete' means it's a difficult-to-use tool that
Speaking of throwing hardware at people, I have a couple of Sun V100s that
could go to a good home for FreeBSD Sparc development purposes. They come
equipped with 1GB of RAM and a pair of 80GB disks. If anyone can make a
legitimate case for them, drop me a note.
--lyndon
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 10:39 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
Isn't this about user choice, and making sensible defaults?
There are two or three users out of thousands complaining about the
default. If the extra build time bugs you that much, I'll contribute
towards buying you
On Thu, Dec 01, 2011 at 11:16:33PM -0800, David O'Brien wrote:
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 08:01:37PM +0100, Baptiste Daroussin wrote:
and last: upgrade flex to the latest upstream version (it will need the m4
upgrade) while here I'll move back flex to contrib/
patches can be found there:
About the donations page et al ... that's set up for cash donations.
Hardware doesn't go through there very well. I don't care about tax
receipts. I'd rather just send the gear directly to any people who can
legitimately use it (i.e. someone with an @freebsd.org address, or someone
with an
On 12/1/11 5:04 PM, Arnaud Lacombe wrote:
Hi,
On Mon, Nov 14, 2011 at 5:14 AM, Andriy Gapona...@freebsd.org wrote:
on 14/11/2011 02:38 Arnaud Lacombe said the following:
you (committers)
I wonder how it would work out if you were made a committer and couldn't say
you (committers) any
What if it was still included in tinderbox builds and releases. For the latter,
the profiled versions could be in a separate distribution set much like doc or
games. The ugly part is freebsd-update..
It could still be off by default in the buildworld as anyone smart enough to do
source
2011/12/2 John Baldwin j...@freebsd.org:
On 12/2/11 12:18 PM, Attilio Rao wrote:
2011/12/2 John Baldwinj...@freebsd.org:
On 12/2/11 5:05 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on 02/12/2011 06:36 John Baldwin said the following:
Ah, ok (I had thought SCHEDULER_STOPPED was going to always be true
when
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote:
About the donations page et al ... that's set up for cash donations.
Hardware doesn't go through there very well. I don't care about tax
receipts. I'd rather just send the gear directly to any people who can
On 12/02/11 19:39, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote:
Isn't this about user choice, and making sensible defaults?
There are two or three users out of thousands complaining about the
default. If the extra build time bugs you that much, I'll contribute
towards buying you better build hardware, too.
Well,
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 12:11 PM, Lucas Holt l...@foolishgames.com wrote:
What if it was still included in tinderbox builds and releases. For the
latter, the profiled versions could be in a separate distribution set much
like doc or games. The ugly part is freebsd-update..
It could still be
on 02/12/2011 20:40 John Baldwin said the following:
On 12/2/11 12:18 PM, Attilio Rao wrote:
2011/12/2 John Baldwinj...@freebsd.org:
On 12/2/11 5:05 AM, Andriy Gapon wrote:
on 02/12/2011 06:36 John Baldwin said the following:
Ah, ok (I had thought SCHEDULER_STOPPED was going to always be
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 04:21:14PM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
David,
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 3:35 PM, David O'Brien obr...@freebsd.org wrote:
On Fri, Dec 02, 2011 at 11:56:31AM +0700, Max Khon wrote:
You still failed to name a single compelling reason to leave profiled
libs even in -CURRENT.
On 12/02/2011 04:35, Adrian Chadd wrote:
I think you're missing the point a little.
The point is, you have to keep in mind how comfortable people feel
about things, and progress sometimes makes people uncomfortable. I
think you should leave these changes bake for a while and let people
get
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