Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-19 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Allen Pulsifer wrote: > According to the DPTA-3x spec from IBM, if the drive has fully entered > Standby mode, it can take up to 31 seconds for it to spin back up. > (See sections 3.3.6.1 and 13.0). Other drive models may take even > longer, and even after the drive is back up, it ma

RE: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-18 Thread Allen Pulsifer
] > Cc: Richard Seaman Jr.; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact) > > > It seems Dave J. Boers wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 08:44:42PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > > > There is no way to see if the disk was in suspend mode, you can

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-18 Thread Richard Seaman, Jr.
On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 11:20:51PM +0100, Martin Blapp wrote: > > Sorry, > > I found a rather easy workaround. Disable DMA for > the disks in the BIOS ... But I still wonder why > enable/disable ATA DMA in kernel has no effect for > this crash. Why does only the BIOS disable help ? Purely a wil

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Martin Blapp wrote: > > Sorry, > > I found a rather easy workaround. Disable DMA for > the disks in the BIOS ... But I still wonder why > enable/disable ATA DMA in kernel has no effect for > this crash. Why does only the BIOS disable help ? No idea, I have to study AMD's southbridge fi

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-18 Thread Martin Blapp
Sorry, I found a rather easy workaround. Disable DMA for the disks in the BIOS ... But I still wonder why enable/disable ATA DMA in kernel has no effect for this crash. Why does only the BIOS disable help ? ata-pci0: at device 7.1 on pci0 ata-pci0: Busmastering DMA supported ata0 at 0x01f0 irq

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Dave J. Boers wrote: > On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 08:44:42PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > > There is no way to see if the disk was in suspend mode, you can > > give it a command and se how long it takes before it comes back :) > > > > The problem here is that it takes the command and OK's

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-18 Thread Dave J. Boers
On Sat, Dec 18, 1999 at 08:44:42PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > There is no way to see if the disk was in suspend mode, you can > give it a command and se how long it takes before it comes back :) > > The problem here is that it takes the command and OK's it, but it > takes the spinuptime + over

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: > On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 02:28:29PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > > > Because the wd driver has a 10 secs timeout, and ata has 5 secs. > > I think the easiest way to "solve" this is to increase the > > timeout to 10-15 secs, as little as I want to do that...

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-18 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Martin Blapp wrote: > I've bought two new 16GB ATA disks and am not able to boot > anymore since wd0 has been retired: > > Fresh current from today: > > [...] > ad0: ad_timeout: lost disk contact > ata0: resetting devices > > and after it hangs forever. > > I tried IDE_DELAY=1 and

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-18 Thread Martin Blapp
hi, I've bought two new 16GB ATA disks and am not able to boot anymore since wd0 has been retired: Fresh current from today: [...] ad0: ad_timeout: lost disk contact ata0: resetting devices and after it hangs forever. I tried IDE_DELAY=1 and 15000 but it did not change anything. Break i

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-17 Thread Richard Seaman, Jr.
On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 02:28:29PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > Because the wd driver has a 10 secs timeout, and ata has 5 secs. > I think the easiest way to "solve" this is to increase the > timeout to 10-15 secs, as little as I want to do that... I don't really understand disk drivers, so if

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-17 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: > > > Yup, sounds like the problem some are seing, now I wonder why I > > havn't seen it on any of the IBM disks I've access to, hmm... > > > > It apparantly can't be disabled, but I'll try to figure out if > > I can detect when the drive is in this mode, or p

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-17 Thread Richard Seaman, Jr.
On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 08:22:03AM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > Yup, sounds like the problem some are seing, now I wonder why I > havn't seen it on any of the IBM disks I've access to, hmm... > > It apparantly can't be disabled, but I'll try to figure out if > I can detect when the drive is in

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-17 Thread Poul-Henning Kamp
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Soren Schmidt writes: >It seems Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: > >Yup, sounds like the problem some are seing, now I wonder why I >havn't seen it on any of the IBM disks I've access to, hmm... > >It apparantly can't be disabled, but I'll try to figure out if >I can dete

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: Yup, sounds like the problem some are seing, now I wonder why I havn't seen it on any of the IBM disks I've access to, hmm... It apparantly can't be disabled, but I'll try to figure out if I can detect when the drive is in this mode, or put it in standby mode

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Dave J. Boers
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 04:50:55PM -0600, Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: > Check http://www.storage.ibm.com/techsup/hddtech/prodspec/djna_spw.pdf > If a command is received during spin down of ADM, the drive quits the spin down > and tries to complete the command as soon as possible. > In case the sp

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Richard Seaman, Jr.
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 09:25:11AM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > There is this thing with the IBM's doing some headcleaning stuff once > a day/week, but I've never seen any of my IBM's do that (I got plenty > of them). I'll try to get more info on that from IBM... Check http://www.storage.ibm.co

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Dave J. Boers wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 03:02:24PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > > Uhm, that wont be new WD drives, as they are exactly the same as > > IBM drives give or take the label :) > > Huh? That I didn't know. So you're saying that WD and IBM 18 Gb disks are > the same har

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Dave J. Boers
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 03:02:24PM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > Uhm, that wont be new WD drives, as they are exactly the same as > IBM drives give or take the label :) Huh? That I didn't know. So you're saying that WD and IBM 18 Gb disks are the same hardware? My disk: ad0: ATA-4 disk at at

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Dave J. Boers wrote: > On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 07:10:46AM -0600, Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: > > > Dec 15 19:01:02 test /kernel: ata0-master: ad_timeout: lost disk contact - >resetting > > Dec 15 19:01:02 test /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done > > > Dec 16 07:01:24 test /kernel:

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Dave J. Boers
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 07:10:46AM -0600, Richard Seaman, Jr. wrote: > Dec 15 19:01:02 test /kernel: ata0-master: ad_timeout: lost disk contact - resetting > Dec 15 19:01:02 test /kernel: ata0: resetting devices .. done > Dec 16 07:01:24 test /kernel: ata0-master: ad_timeout: lost disk contact

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Richard Seaman, Jr.
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 09:25:11AM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Dave J. Boers wrote: > > > > I am still having "disc contact lost messages" regularly too. I've been > > posting about them on several occasions some time ago. I haven't been able > > to pinn it down, however. IF they occu

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Max Khon
hi, there! On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Dave J. Boers wrote: > I am still having "disc contact lost messages" regularly too. [...] > There are two important aspects of the problem: > > 1. The problem does not always occur: it's unpredictable > 2. When it occurs, I can actually hear the disk spinnin

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Max Khon
hi, there! On Thu, 16 Dec 1999, Dave J. Boers wrote: > Could you tell met the exact time on which these messages occurred? > Anywhere near 10:15 or 9:15 ? nope. the time is unpredictable. sometimes it can work more than a day without spilling out those messages /fjoe To Unsubscribe: send m

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Dave J. Boers
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 03:29:30PM +0600, Max Khon wrote: > hi, there! > same here, dmesg output: > > ata_command: timeout waiting for interrupt > Mounting root from ufs:/dev/ad0s2a > ata0-master: ad_timeout: lost disk contact - resetting > ata0: resetting devices .. done > ata0-master: ad_timeo

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Devin Butterfield wrote: > That's interesting...In my case it is quite easily reproduced (very > predictable). All I have to do is reboot and then run sysinstall and > when it probes the devices the disks time out. So far I have not been > able to get this behavior at any other time. > >

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Dave J. Boers
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 09:36:42AM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > One more thing, do you have SMART enabled in your BIOS ??, if so > turn it off, and see if that changes anything... I don't recall having it enabled; but I will check to make sure as soon as I get home from work (which is still some

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Devin Butterfield
Hi, "Dave J. Boers" wrote: > > On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 08:29:14AM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > > It seems Devin Butterfield wrote: > > > I just recently compiled a kernel with the new ATA driver and have > > > discovered a problem: if I run sysinstall, right when it says "probing > > > devices,

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Soren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Dave J. Boers wrote: > > > > I am still having "disc contact lost messages" regularly too. I've been > > posting about them on several occasions some time ago. I haven't been able > > to pinn it down, however. IF they occur, they occur somewhere between 9

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Dave J. Boers wrote: > > I am still having "disc contact lost messages" regularly too. I've been > posting about them on several occasions some time ago. I haven't been able > to pinn it down, however. IF they occur, they occur somewhere between 9:15 > and 9:20 a.m. OR p.m. But they don

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-16 Thread Dave J. Boers
On Thu, Dec 16, 1999 at 08:29:14AM +0100, Soren Schmidt wrote: > It seems Devin Butterfield wrote: > > I just recently compiled a kernel with the new ATA driver and have > > discovered a problem: if I run sysinstall, right when it says "probing > > devices, please wait (this can be a while)" error

Re: ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-15 Thread Soren Schmidt
It seems Devin Butterfield wrote: > Hi, > > I just recently compiled a kernel with the new ATA driver and have > discovered a problem: if I run sysinstall, right when it says "probing > devices, please wait (this can be a while)" error messages saying... [snip] > and after printing these messages

ATA driver problem?? (lost disk contact)

1999-12-15 Thread Devin Butterfield
Hi, I just recently compiled a kernel with the new ATA driver and have discovered a problem: if I run sysinstall, right when it says "probing devices, please wait (this can be a while)" error messages saying... Dec 15 21:20:05 dbm /kernel: ata0-slave: ad_timeout: lost disk contact - resetting De