Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-03-01 Thread Thomas Graichen

Donn Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Thomas Graichen wrote:

 one other thing: does anyone have the XFree86 pre 4.0 snapshot running
 with moused and SysMouse ? - it works fine for me without moused and the
 moues directly under X - but with moused and "SysMouse" "/dev/sysmouse"
 nothing happens when moving the mouse - any further XF86Config magic
 required for this ? - does anyone have an hint here ? (btw. - all this
 on a fresh 4.0-CURRENT box)

 Did you select the "mouse systems" protocol in the xf86config menu? 
 Also, does your mouse work under moused at the console?  You should
 leave moused_type="auto" as the default.

 Basically, does your mouse work under syscons?  That's the main thing.

yes - "Auto" did it - looks like "SysMouse" as config entry in the
XF86Config is broken - anyone here from the XFree86 devel people
to take a look at this ?

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-03-01 Thread Thomas Graichen

Cliff Rowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Greetings, I'm just wondering if anyone has encountered the following, and
 what solutions you may have come up with / ideas you may have.

 This may not be a FreeBSD problem, since I am using the latest XFree86
 pre-4.0 snapshot.

 First:

 Almost every time I load a page in Netscape (latest port), I get the
 message:

 "XFree86-BigFont extension: shmat() failed, size = 4096, errno = 24"

with those options the error is gone for me - i think the relevant
one is the SHMALL (the others are for postgres) - i found this out
by simply reading the piece of source of XFree86 which emits this
error and there is written that SHMALL should be at least 48M - so
16k pages = 64M should be fine

options SHMMAXPGS=4096
options SHMALL=16384
options SHMSEG=16
options SEMMNI=32
options SEMMNS=128

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-03-01 Thread Cliff Rowley

 options SHMMAXPGS=4096
 options SHMALL=16384
 options SHMSEG=16
 options SEMMNI=32
 options SEMMNS=128

Tried those, same error :(

_XF86BigfontQueryFont: could not attach shm segment

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-03-01 Thread Donn Miller

On 1 Mar 2000, Thomas Graichen wrote:

  Basically, does your mouse work under syscons?  That's the main thing.
 
 yes - "Auto" did it - looks like "SysMouse" as config entry in the
 XF86Config is broken - anyone here from the XFree86 devel people
 to take a look at this ?

$ grep -5 -in sysmouse /etc/X11/XF86Config
208-# Identifier and driver
209-
210-Identifier  "Mouse1"
211-Driver  "mouse"
212-Option "Protocol""MouseSystems"
213:Option "Device"  "/dev/sysmouse"
214-

I'd recommend just backing up your old /etc/X11/XF86Config, and using the
tty mode program xf86config to generate your config file.  Or, just do as
I have shown above.  Apparently, they changed the format of XF86Config.

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-03-01 Thread Donn Miller

On 1 Mar 2000, Thomas Graichen wrote:

  "XFree86-BigFont extension: shmat() failed, size = 4096, errno = 24"
 
 with those options the error is gone for me - i think the relevant
 one is the SHMALL (the others are for postgres) - i found this out
 by simply reading the piece of source of XFree86 which emits this
 error and there is written that SHMALL should be at least 48M - so
 16k pages = 64M should be fine
 
 options SHMMAXPGS=4096
 options SHMALL=16384
 options SHMSEG=16
 options SEMMNI=32
 options SEMMNS=128

Here's what I've added to my kernel config to get rid of those errors:

# Options for SHM
options SHMMAXPGS=4097
options SHMSEG=128

It looks like SHMMAXPGS has to be a power of two + 1.  (The original
config file says 

options SHMMAX="(SHMMAXPGS*PAGE_SIZE+1)"
options SHMMAXPGS=1025

So, it looks like SHMMAXPGS has to be a power of two + 1.  That's why I
chose 4097 instead of 4096

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-03-01 Thread Cliff Rowley

 Try increasing SHMSEG to 128.

Appears to be working fine with SHMAXPGS=4097 and SHMSEG=128 - fingers
crossed ;)  Thanks for your help everyone...

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-03-01 Thread Alexander Leidinger

On  1 Mar, Donn Miller wrote:

 It looks like SHMMAXPGS has to be a power of two + 1.  (The original

No.

 config file says 
 
 options SHMMAX="(SHMMAXPGS*PAGE_SIZE+1)"
 options SHMMAXPGS=1025

Thats from LINT.

 So, it looks like SHMMAXPGS has to be a power of two + 1.  That's why I
 chose 4097 instead of 4096

LINT increases the default value by one (I think LINT didn't want to
make useless modifications).

See /sys/arch/include/vmparam.h.

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Cliff Rowley

 Do you have any plans to make XFree86-devel port of it? This let us to test
 it and refine before XF-4.0 will be released.

I had no plans, personally, but then I'm not a ports
maintainer.  Compiling the snapshot is pretty simple anyway.

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Cliff Rowley

  Thanks for pointing. What is your opinion about it (stability, compatability,
  performance etc)?
 
 Haven't had time to screw with it any more than just a basic twm setup. I'd
 have to reinstall most of my X apps to use it (and I already have a nice
 3.3.6 setup right now).
 
 I made it so I could try it out seriously sometime.. right now my priority
 is getting other things ready for 4.0-RELEASE.

I've been using it since the release of 3.9.1.7, and I've really enjoyed
using it.  It's somewhat faster than 3.x, but that may just be because my
video card has better drivers this time around.

The release notes detail how XFree86 has become easier and easier to build
and install, and it's true.  I've always scared away from editing the 3.x
config by hand - the config file format is well organised this time.  As I
mentioned in a previous mail in this chain, compilation and installation
was a total breeze.  Adding a single line to site.def, making
World/Install and that was that - it took a while, but it was plain
sailing.

Usage wise it's fast, it's smooth and it's been completely
reliable.  Aside from a few teething problems with -current (which is to
be expected).  If you're waiting for it's official release, you will be
pleasantly suprised :)

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Cliff Rowley

 I've got the same problem also, and can confirm it is a
 -current/XFree86-3.9.18 problem.  (Probabably mainly an XFree86
 problem, I presume.)  Apparently, the XFree86 build process isn't
 perfect either, since certain options in xc/config/cf/host.def can
 cause the "make install" to fail.  One set of options I had in
 host.def caused the make World to finish successfully.  But when I did
 the ensuing "make install", it began compiling the aout shared libs,
 which it didn't do during the make World.  (What the hell?)

Strange, the build process was wonderfully successful for me.  The only
modification I made before the make World/install process was adding:

BuildAoutLibraries

to site.def...  Since posting my last mail, I've also encountered a
similar message, thie time reported by Imlib.  It's not the exact same
message, but it's the same meaning.  They are both having trouble getting
a handle on shared memory (at least, this is my interpretation).  I've got
SYSV* in my kernel, so it's not that...

It would be nice to know if it was a FreeBSD or XFree86 thing, perhaps
someone on the list not using a pre 4.0 XFree86 snapshot could help us out
here?

Of course, it could just be (and most likely is) just being triggered by a
change in FreeBSD 4.0, which the XFree86 code (obviously) hasnt caught up
on yet.

It's not urgent, there are no critical errors produced by this situation,
everything still works just fine.

Keep me posted on anything you encounter...

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Raul Zighelboim


I have a similar situation:
On one of my stations:
- xdm works
- kdm does now.
On the other, both work.

Running 'FreeBSD 4.0-CURRENT #2: Thu Feb 24 15:08:07 CST 2000' on both
boxes, reinstalled XFree and KDE from ports last week.

The only difference I can find: one system runs XFree_S3V, the broken one
runs XF86_SVGA.

On 29 Feb 2000, Thomas Graichen wrote:

 
 Cliff Rowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Second:
 
  Using KDM in place of XDM, XFree86 just dies immediately, resulting in
  several attempts at launching, and then a 30 second pause.  XFree86 works
  perfectly otherwise.
 
 i see the same problem here (with an kde build outside of the ports
 but with all the relevant patches applied) - the sources built and
 worked fine with 3.3 but when built with 4.0-current kdm core-
 dumps ... ok so i tried to start debugging it - compiled it
 with -g intead of -O2 and ... it worked - so i tried -O
 ... it crashed - without any optimisation options
 it runs fine too - it looks a bit like a compiler
 bug or some strange bug in kdm which arises from
 the maybe changed optimisation in the current
 gcc ... but before i built kde with the gcc
 2.95 port (and that was the 3.3 working
 version) - thus i'm a bit wondering
 what this comes from but did not
 have the time for further de-
 bugging - any idea ?
 
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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Alexander Leidinger

On 28 Feb, Cliff Rowley wrote:

 to site.def...  Since posting my last mail, I've also encountered a
 similar message, thie time reported by Imlib.  It's not the exact same
 message, but it's the same meaning.  They are both having trouble getting
 a handle on shared memory (at least, this is my interpretation).  I've got
 SYSV* in my kernel, so it's not that...

Add "options SHMMAXPGS=8192" to your kernel-config to get rid of the
errors from imlib (perhaps you have to increase the number if you still
get errors after adding it).

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Donn Miller

Alexander Leidinger wrote:
 
 On 28 Feb, Cliff Rowley wrote:
 
  to site.def...  Since posting my last mail, I've also encountered a
  similar message, thie time reported by Imlib.  It's not the exact same
  message, but it's the same meaning.  They are both having trouble getting
  a handle on shared memory (at least, this is my interpretation).  I've got
  SYSV* in my kernel, so it's not that...
 
 Add "options SHMMAXPGS=8192" to your kernel-config to get rid of the
 errors from imlib (perhaps you have to increase the number if you still
 get errors after adding it).

What was the previous default value of SHMMAXPGS?  Why was it
changed?  (Just curious, not slamming anybody...)

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Thomas Graichen

Alexander Leidinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 28 Feb, Cliff Rowley wrote:

 to site.def...  Since posting my last mail, I've also encountered a
 similar message, thie time reported by Imlib.  It's not the exact same
 message, but it's the same meaning.  They are both having trouble getting
 a handle on shared memory (at least, this is my interpretation).  I've got
 SYSV* in my kernel, so it's not that...

 Add "options SHMMAXPGS=8192" to your kernel-config to get rid of the
 errors from imlib (perhaps you have to increase the number if you still
 get errors after adding it).

one other thing: does anyone have the XFree86 pre 4.0 snapshot running
with moused and SysMouse ? - it works fine for me without moused and the
moues directly under X - but with moused and "SysMouse" "/dev/sysmouse"
nothing happens when moving the mouse - any further XF86Config magic
required for this ? - does anyone have an hint here ? (btw. - all this
on a fresh 4.0-CURRENT box)

a lot of thanks in advance

t

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Donn Miller

Thomas Graichen wrote:

 one other thing: does anyone have the XFree86 pre 4.0 snapshot running
 with moused and SysMouse ? - it works fine for me without moused and the
 moues directly under X - but with moused and "SysMouse" "/dev/sysmouse"
 nothing happens when moving the mouse - any further XF86Config magic
 required for this ? - does anyone have an hint here ? (btw. - all this
 on a fresh 4.0-CURRENT box)

Did you select the "mouse systems" protocol in the xf86config menu? 
Also, does your mouse work under moused at the console?  You should
leave moused_type="auto" as the default.

Basically, does your mouse work under syscons?  That's the main thing.

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Christopher Masto

On Tue, Feb 29, 2000 at 05:56:08PM +, Thomas Graichen wrote:
 one other thing: does anyone have the XFree86 pre 4.0 snapshot running
 with moused and SysMouse ? - it works fine for me without moused and the
 moues directly under X - but with moused and "SysMouse" "/dev/sysmouse"
 nothing happens when moving the mouse - any further XF86Config magic
 required for this ? - does anyone have an hint here ? (btw. - all this
 on a fresh 4.0-CURRENT box)

This works for me with moused:

Identifier  "Mouse1"
Driver  "mouse"
Option "Resolution" "100"
Option "Buttons""5"
Option "Protocol""Auto"
Option "Device"  "/dev/mouse"

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Nawfal M. Rouyan

Same thing happened to me... :(

 one other thing: does anyone have the XFree86 pre
 4.0 snapshot running
 with moused and SysMouse ? - it works fine for me
 without moused and the
 moues directly under X - but with moused and
 "SysMouse" "/dev/sysmouse"
 nothing happens when moving the mouse - any further
 XF86Config magic
 required for this ? - does anyone have an hint here
 ? (btw. - all this
 on a fresh 4.0-CURRENT box)
 
 a lot of thanks in advance
 
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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Alexander Leidinger

On 29 Feb, Donn Miller wrote:

 What was the previous default value of SHMMAXPGS?  Why was it
 changed?  (Just curious, not slamming anybody...)

1024.

I'm using 8k right now and I didn't encounter an error from imlib
anymore (depends on what's used/screen resolution/resolution of pictures
loaded by imlib).

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Hasan Diwan

No problems here...
* Nawfal M. Rouyan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [000229 20:44]:
 Same thing happened to me... :(
 
  one other thing: does anyone have the XFree86 pre
  4.0 snapshot running
  with moused and SysMouse ? - it works fine for me
  without moused and the
  moues directly under X - but with moused and
  "SysMouse" "/dev/sysmouse"
  nothing happens when moving the mouse - any further
  XF86Config magic
  required for this ? - does anyone have an hint here
  ? (btw. - all this
  on a fresh 4.0-CURRENT box)
  
  a lot of thanks in advance
  
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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-29 Thread Andy Sparrow

Your message dated: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 23:49:07 EST
 Will Andrews wrote:

One compatability problem would seem to be lack of support for the
Number Nine I128 board, previously supported in 3.3.*.

AOL

Me too! :-)

/AOL

 This is very
disappointing, as I've got to use that board to drive my SGI
1600x1200 LCD display..  I guess I'll be using 3.3.6 a bit longer on
that machine :-(

I'd love to be proved wrong, but the release notes for the snapshots
have been pretty silent on support for this board.

*grumble* Yeh, and I'd like to know why the DGA (specifically, Direct Video)
support the VMware folks kindly provided as patches for 3.3.3.1 haven't made 
it into 3.x yet - I've been  manually patching them in ever since so that I 
can run 'fxtv'...


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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-28 Thread Louis A. Mamakos

 Will Andrews wrote:
 
  On Mon, Feb 28, 2000 at 10:42:22PM +0200, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
   Do you have any plans to make XFree86-devel port of it? This let us to test
   it and refine before XF-4.0 will be released.
 
  I already made one. However, since XFree86 4.0's release is impending
  within the next three or four weeks (as per xfree86.org), I've left it on
  my website for those daring enough to try it out.
 
  http://www.psn.net/~andrews/XFree86-beta.tar.gz
 
 Thanks for pointing. What is your opinion about it (stability, compatability,
 performance etc)?

One compatability problem would seem to be lack of support for the
Number Nine I128 board, previously supported in 3.3.*.  This is very
disappointing, as I've got to use that board to drive my SGI
1600x1200 LCD display..  I guess I'll be using 3.3.6 a bit longer on
that machine :-(

I'd love to be proved wrong, but the release notes for the snapshots
have been pretty silent on support for this board.

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-28 Thread Thomas Graichen

Cliff Rowley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Second:

 Using KDM in place of XDM, XFree86 just dies immediately, resulting in
 several attempts at launching, and then a 30 second pause.  XFree86 works
 perfectly otherwise.

i see the same problem here (with an kde build outside of the ports
but with all the relevant patches applied) - the sources built and
worked fine with 3.3 but when built with 4.0-current kdm core-
dumps ... ok so i tried to start debugging it - compiled it
with -g intead of -O2 and ... it worked - so i tried -O
... it crashed - without any optimisation options
it runs fine too - it looks a bit like a compiler
bug or some strange bug in kdm which arises from
the maybe changed optimisation in the current
gcc ... but before i built kde with the gcc
2.95 port (and that was the 3.3 working
version) - thus i'm a bit wondering
what this comes from but did not
have the time for further de-
bugging - any idea ?

t

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Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-28 Thread Cliff Rowley

Greetings, I'm just wondering if anyone has encountered the following, and
what solutions you may have come up with / ideas you may have.

This may not be a FreeBSD problem, since I am using the latest XFree86
pre-4.0 snapshot.

First:

Almost every time I load a page in Netscape (latest port), I get the
message:

"XFree86-BigFont extension: shmat() failed, size = 4096, errno = 24"

Second:

Using KDM in place of XDM, XFree86 just dies immediately, resulting in
several attempts at launching, and then a 30 second pause.  XFree86 works
perfectly otherwise.

The main reason I'm asking this here is so that if it is a known problem
with -current, I'll have no need to investigate further, and i can just
wait until it's fixed.

If it is not a known problem, then I shall report my findings to the
relevant parties.

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-28 Thread Donn Miller

Cliff Rowley wrote:

 This may not be a FreeBSD problem, since I am using the latest XFree86
 pre-4.0 snapshot.

 "XFree86-BigFont extension: shmat() failed, size = 4096, errno = 24"

I've got the same problem also, and can confirm it is a
-current/XFree86-3.9.18 problem.  (Probabably mainly an XFree86
problem, I presume.)  Apparently, the XFree86 build process isn't
perfect either, since certain options in xc/config/cf/host.def can
cause the "make install" to fail.  One set of options I had in
host.def caused the make World to finish successfully.  But when I did
the ensuing "make install", it began compiling the aout shared libs,
which it didn't do during the make World.  (What the hell?)

So, it appears that this snapshot can be very "touchy" depending on
what you put in host.def.  Changing one minor thing can throw the
whole XFree86 distribution out of whack.  I finally got it right,
though, and I'm getting the errors you describe.

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-28 Thread Maxim Sobolev

Donn Miller wrote:

 Cliff Rowley wrote:

  This may not be a FreeBSD problem, since I am using the latest XFree86
  pre-4.0 snapshot.

  "XFree86-BigFont extension: shmat() failed, size = 4096, errno = 24"

 I've got the same problem also, and can confirm it is a
 -current/XFree86-3.9.18 problem.  (Probabably mainly an XFree86
 problem, I presume.)  Apparently, the XFree86 build process isn't
 perfect either, since certain options in xc/config/cf/host.def can
 cause the "make install" to fail.  One set of options I had in
 host.def caused the make World to finish successfully.  But when I did
 the ensuing "make install", it began compiling the aout shared libs,
 which it didn't do during the make World.  (What the hell?)

 So, it appears that this snapshot can be very "touchy" depending on
 what you put in host.def.  Changing one minor thing can throw the
 whole XFree86 distribution out of whack.  I finally got it right,
 though, and I'm getting the errors you describe.

Do you have any plans to make XFree86-devel port of it? This let us to test
it and refine before XF-4.0 will be released.

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-28 Thread Will Andrews

On Mon, Feb 28, 2000 at 10:42:22PM +0200, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
 Do you have any plans to make XFree86-devel port of it? This let us to test
 it and refine before XF-4.0 will be released.

I already made one. However, since XFree86 4.0's release is impending
within the next three or four weeks (as per xfree86.org), I've left it on
my website for those daring enough to try it out.

http://www.psn.net/~andrews/XFree86-beta.tar.gz

I will be submitting a XFree4 port once the release goes out. Until then,
people can hack it and let me know of any problems. I've tested twm with
the basic install. I do not know much about PC98/etc. so if patches could
be submitted to allow for easy PC98 integration in the port, please do
that. Thanks.

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-28 Thread Will Andrews

On Mon, Feb 28, 2000 at 11:11:27PM +0200, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
 Thanks for pointing. What is your opinion about it (stability, compatability,
 performance etc)?

Haven't had time to screw with it any more than just a basic twm setup. I'd
have to reinstall most of my X apps to use it (and I already have a nice
3.3.6 setup right now).

I made it so I could try it out seriously sometime.. right now my priority
is getting other things ready for 4.0-RELEASE.

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Re: Two queries [ KDE / XFree86 ]

2000-02-28 Thread Maxim Sobolev

Will Andrews wrote:

 On Mon, Feb 28, 2000 at 10:42:22PM +0200, Maxim Sobolev wrote:
  Do you have any plans to make XFree86-devel port of it? This let us to test
  it and refine before XF-4.0 will be released.

 I already made one. However, since XFree86 4.0's release is impending
 within the next three or four weeks (as per xfree86.org), I've left it on
 my website for those daring enough to try it out.

 http://www.psn.net/~andrews/XFree86-beta.tar.gz

Thanks for pointing. What is your opinion about it (stability, compatability,
performance etc)?

-Maxim



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