Re: Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-03-14 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Friday, 14 March 2003 at 10:05:28 +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 01:16:02PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> So I did. Loaned two SCSI disks and 50-pin cable. Things haven't >>> improved a bit, I'm very sorry to say it. >> >> Sorry for the slo

Re: Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-03-14 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 01:16:02PM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So I did. Loaned two SCSI disks and 50-pin cable. Things haven't > > improved a bit, I'm very sorry to say it. > > Sorry for the slow reply to this. I thought it would make sense to > try things out here

Re: Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-03-13 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Saturday, 1 March 2003 at 20:43:10 +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:53:02AM +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > The vinum R5 and system as a whole were stable without softupdates. Only one problem remained after disabling softupdates, while being online and u

Re: Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-03-01 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:53:02AM +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > > > The vinum R5 and system as a whole were stable without > > > softupdates. Only one problem remained after disabling softupdates, > > > while being online and user I/O going on, rebuilding of failed disk > > > corrupt the R5 vol

Re: Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-02-27 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Thu, Feb 27, 2003 at 11:59:59AM +1030, Greg 'groggy' Lehey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > The crashes and anomalies with filesystem residing on R5 volume were > > related to vinum(R5)/softupdates combo. > > Well, at one point we suspected that. But the cases I have seen were > based on a misa

Re: Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-02-26 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Friday, 21 February 2003 at 1:56:56 -0800, Terry Lambert wrote: > Vallo Kallaste wrote: >> The crashes and anomalies with filesystem residing on R5 volume were >> related to vinum(R5)/softupdates combo. The vinum R5 and system as >> a whole were stable without softupdates. Only one problem rema

Re: Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-02-26 Thread Greg 'groggy' Lehey
On Friday, 21 February 2003 at 10:00:46 +0200, Vallo Kallaste wrote: > On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 02:28:45PM -0800, Darryl Okahata > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Vallo Kallaste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> I'll second Brad's statement about vinum and softupdates >>> interactions. My last exper

Re: Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-02-24 Thread Terry Lambert
Darryl Okahata wrote: > Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I think this is an expected problem with a lot of concatenation, > > whether through Vinum, GEOM, RAIDFrame, or whatever. > > > > This comes about for the same reason that you can't "mount -u" > > to turn Soft Updates from "off" t

Re: Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-02-24 Thread Darryl Okahata
Terry Lambert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I think this is an expected problem with a lot of concatenation, > whether through Vinum, GEOM, RAIDFrame, or whatever. > > This comes about for the same reason that you can't "mount -u" > to turn Soft Updates from "off" to "on": Soft Updates does not >

Re: Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-02-21 Thread Terry Lambert
Vallo Kallaste wrote: > The crashes and anomalies with filesystem residing on R5 volume were > related to vinum(R5)/softupdates combo. The vinum R5 and system as > a whole were stable without softupdates. Only one problem remained > after disabling softupdates, while being online and user I/O going

Vinum R5 [was: Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk]

2003-02-21 Thread Vallo Kallaste
On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 02:28:45PM -0800, Darryl Okahata <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Vallo Kallaste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I'll second Brad's statement about vinum and softupdates > > interactions. My last experiments with vinum were more than half a > > year ago, but I guess it still

Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk

2003-02-20 Thread Brad Knowles
At 2:28 PM -0800 2003/02/20, Darryl Okahata wrote: Did you believe that the crashes were caused by enabling softupdates on an R5 vinum volume, or were the crashes unrelated to vinum/softupdates? I can see how crashes unrelated to vinum/softupdates might trash vinum filesystems. Using

Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk

2003-02-20 Thread Darryl Okahata
Vallo Kallaste <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'll second Brad's statement about vinum and softupdates > interactions. My last experiments with vinum were more than half a > year ago, but I guess it still holds. BTW, the interactions showed > up _only_ on R5 volumes. I had 6 disk (SCSI) R5 volume in

Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk

2003-02-19 Thread Darryl Okahata
Brad Knowles <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You know, vinum & softupdates have had bad interactions with each > other for as long as I can remember. Has this truly been a > consistent thing (as I seem to recall), or has this been an > on-again/off-again situation? Ah, yaaah. Hmm ...

Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk

2003-02-19 Thread Brad Knowles
At 9:15 AM -0800 2003/02/19, Darryl Okahata wrote: * The UFS1 filesystem in question (and I assume that it was UFS1, as I did not specify a filesystem type to newfs) is located on a RAID5 vinum volume, consisting of five 80GB disks. * Softupdates is enabled. You know, vinum & softupda

Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk

2003-02-19 Thread Darryl Okahata
David Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > IIRC, Kirk was trying to reproduce this a little while ago in > response to similar reports. He would probably be interested > in any new information. I don't have any useful information, but I do have a data point: My 5.0-RELEASE system r

Re: background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk

2003-02-18 Thread David Schultz
Thus spake Martin Blapp <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I just wanted to tell that I can deadlock one of my current boxes > with a ufs2 filesystem on a 120GB ATA disk. I can reproduce > the problem. The background fsck process hangs some time at the > same place always at the same place, sometimes the box f

background fsck deadlocks with ufs2 and big disk

2003-02-18 Thread Martin Blapp
Hi all, I just wanted to tell that I can deadlock one of my current boxes with a ufs2 filesystem on a 120GB ATA disk. I can reproduce the problem. The background fsck process hangs some time at the same place always at the same place, sometimes the box freezes after some time. The same box works